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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:50:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I would love to see a None of the Above option added but it will never happen simply because of the potential embarrassment it could cause.
What would CCP and the CSM do if the None of the Above option received more votes then anyone else?
Current CSM would disband. No new CSM would appear. Any discussion with players would be stoped (players don't need it anyway). I suppose this is what you want?
At any point did I say this is what I wanted?
Remember.. assumption leads to the mother of all **** ups
The simple fact is that having the option of "None of the Above" would be very dangerous not only for the CCP but for the CSM.
IF the option existed and IF the community were to vote for it in large numbers then nothing the CSM would have to abide that decision as it was the very same process that put them into power to begin with.
CCP could not ignore the decision as it would show that the community has major trust issues with either the candidates, the concept of a CSM, or the way the voting works.
That is why it will never happen. |
Lady Starfire
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:59:00 -
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TWO ARMS CARE SO MUCH ABOUT VOTING OTHER TWO ARMS INTO POSITIONS OF POWER TO KEEP ONE ARMS DOWN. WHY ARE NO ONE ARMS ELECTED TO THE CSM HMMMM BECAUSE CCP HATES ONE ARMS AND TWO ARMS WORK WITH CCP TO KEEP US DOWN. |
Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
485
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:35:00 -
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Jenny Cameron wrote:Zagam wrote:"indirect vague elections"... HUH?
How are they indirect, and how are the vague?
1 account = 1 vote. highest 7 votes win. top candidate is chairman. That is about as direct as you can get.
Vague - what do you want, a CSM full of single-issue candidates?
Vague as in the average player has no idea what candidates stand for and the differences between them,. It's everything but transparent. So most non-fanatical hardcore players just doesn't bother. If people vote for ideas or parties, things already get a lot easier and clearer.
Let me break these down really quick -
Quote:Vague as in the average player has no idea what candidates stand for and the differences between them. Have you actually asked them? Or did you read the nomination posts for the last election? I've asked the current CSM several questions, and ALWAYS gotten a response, and conversed with them.
Quote:It's everything but transparent. Its pretty straightforward when CCP posts up how many votes they got exactly. (in terms of elections). In terms of what the CSM actually does... There are minutes posted. There are two entire subforums set up for conversing with the CSM. Yes, the NDA is in place, but welcome to the "real world". I work under an NDA right now (along with a non-compete agreement, and a security clearance). Get used to it!
Quote:So most non-fanatical hardcore players just doesn't bother. Thats because the most fanatical hardcore players are the only ones willing to devote the time to being a CSM. From talking to several current and past CSMs... its like a second job. You REALLY have to like EVE, and you have to be able to bring people together to even be in the same area code as the CSM. Its not easy!
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If you want to make a big deal about the CSM, instead of posting drivel on the forums, whining, and stamping your feet, why don't you run for CSM? |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1307
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:08:00 -
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Zagam wrote:Quote:It's everything but transparent. Its pretty straightforward when CCP posts up how many votes they got exactly. (in terms of elections). In terms of what the CSM actually does... There are minutes posted. There are two entire subforums set up for conversing with the CSM. Yes, the NDA is in place, but welcome to the "real world". I work under an NDA right now (along with a non-compete agreement, and a security clearance). Get used to it!
Security Clearances are fun. A friend of mine works with a defense contractor doing I-don't-know-what for the company's [redacted] department.
From his skills and education, I'm pretty sure I know what he does, but I'm also not the type of prick who's gonna ask him a question that would put him in an awkward position.
Hell, in the Medical Field, I have a very specific strategy on making sure I avoid HIPAA privacy violations. If I treat you, or otherwise provide care to you for something, I guarantee that ~5min after I finish my paperwork on you, I will not remember your name. In a day, I won't remember your face, and in another few days, I'll have forgotten any distinguishing features. So all of my medical stories start with "So this one asshole..." Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1307
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:23:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:
Well you did chose the use of the word Poop. Might want to re-examine where the childishness originates from.
Keyword in my argument being "consistantly". You only have to review a small amout of Lady Spanks posts to see how much of an inane troll poster he/she is. And yet this is a person who according to the C&P forum wishes to run for candidacy? I'd be suprised if he/she could even spell the word manifesto let alone understand what one is and produce one. Totally encourage the production of one howerver, maybe call it:
Consistency........... Small Sample of Posts. I'm missing something.
Spanks been around for quite a while and he's pretty well respected in See&Pee. There just happened to have been more straight up stupid posting going on in GD recently. It's too much to ask us to not troll them ridiculously.
I know I've got the maturity of a 5 year old, I was under the impression you held yourself to a higher maturity level, thus "we"
Quote: If so have an ice cream and keep quiet whilst the adults talk please.
(Also with tourettes it is a condition where the urge to do something overwieghs the aspect of control, and the extreme case of use of obsence words is actually only representative in a small minority of those sufferers. Depsite that I use the term here purely as a descripter for the style of behaviour. I mean no offence to the individuals who suffer from it. But I suppose like the R-word it isn't welcome, so I'll refrain from using it further and replace it with a more accurate term or something akin to "speaking without thinking".)
Can I have Sprinkles and Gummi Bears?
I'm familiar with tourettes, but the only funny type is the cursing kind, so that's what I always picture. I do recognize that just about any mental disorder is a spectrum (for instance, persistent auditory hallucinations providing instruction are only considered a symptom of schizophrenia if you follow their [often paranoid] commands. If you don't follow the commands, you're considered healthy. Estimates suggest upwards of 20% of the population hears voices on a regular basis).
Gah. I was going to make an off color joke about people's pussyfooting around the word ******, but I decided against it. The point of that is that the people who can be described as ******** don't care what you describe them as so long as you're nice to them. Hell, they can be a lot of fun to work with. The higher functioning patients tend to enjoy when you help them use their disability to mess with other people. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1307
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:24:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:We need debates.
Host them. In the real world Debates are held by media groups and other sponsors. So don't ask CCP (the electoral governing body) to figure out how to run debates, run them yourself. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:25:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Nova Fox wrote:We need debates. Host them. In the real world Debates are held by media groups and other sponsors. So don't ask CCP (the electoral governing body) to figure out how to run debates, run them yourself.
This. Very much this. Protect highsec.-áWe are the 66%.
https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png (Source: https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras ) |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:27:00 -
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Zagam wrote: If you want to make a big deal about the CSM, instead of posting drivel on the forums, whining, and stamping your feet, why don't you run for CSM?
I've been posting drivel on the forums, whining and stamping my feet.
If I stand, will you promise not to vote for me? |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6954
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:31:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:No... The majority don't vote because they think the game is just fine the way it is and they really don't care about yet another event put on by CCP that is meaningless to them. Mr Epeen I really liked this post. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7007
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:33:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:What each CSM member stands for should be more apparent to voters. Under each candidate in the voting process, there should be a very little phrase which gives a rough indication of what the CSM member represents. For example: 'Wants more highsec iteration' or 'Death2allsupercaps' or 'Wants WiS' or 'Mining/Industry development' etc. OK.
I am going to be a CSM7 candidate. I want to be a passionate advocate for whatever the People expressly want.
That's my entire platform. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
955
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:34:00 -
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met worst wrote:
If I stand, will you promise not to vote for me?
I promise not to **** on you if you catch fire
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:45:00 -
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Morganta wrote:met worst wrote:
If I stand, will you promise not to vote for me?
I promise not to **** on you if you catch fire Phew. That's a relief. The last person told me they'd set me on fire. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1307
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:51:00 -
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Morganta wrote:met worst wrote:
If I stand, will you promise not to vote for me?
I promise not to **** on you if you catch fire
In the vein of Soundwave's wildlife management advice, will you promise to piss on me in the event I get stung by jellyfish? Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
276
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Posted - 2012.01.28 12:01:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Baby Spank's probably more well known than that Vyl Vit guy. Sounds like he can communicate just fine. Oooh, I haven't seen reparte on this level since I left the high school lunchroom. Oh to be a cool kid...and get a pony for christmas.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:28:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:We need debates. Last year, Jade & Jayne from Lost in Eve podcast hosted several episodes worth of debates of CSM candidates, many of which eventually got elected. This year Jade announced that he will be doing the same. Just stay tuned to Lost in Eve. Other podcasts may host debates as well.
Note: I am in no way affiliated with LiE, I just think Jade is doing an awesome job. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
694
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:41:00 -
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Jenny Cameron wrote: Why doesn't CCP let people vote for ideas instead of people? Why no polls? That way they know what their player base wants, no votes are lost and more people may vote, simply because it's far more straightforward than voting for people. Voting for people is a very indirect way to see what your players want.
That's actually not a bad idea
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
233
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Posted - 2012.01.28 14:13:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Jenny Cameron wrote: Why doesn't CCP let people vote for ideas instead of people? Why no polls? That way they know what their player base wants, no votes are lost and more people may vote, simply because it's far more straightforward than voting for people. Voting for people is a very indirect way to see what your players want.
That's actually not a bad idea
It is if you know anything about statistics and the response rate and accuracy of polls among customers.
When was the last time you took the time to fill in a questionare for a product or service you've used? Usually the only people who will take the time to give feedback are the people who are either really happy or really unhappy with something.
What if the survey doesn't ask the questions or address the issues you want to raise? Or what if it asks a question and you don't really understand what it means, who do you ask for clarification? What if you answer a question and it's interpretted wrongly by the researcher? Here's an example:
Are Titans Balanced? [X] Strongly Disagree, [ ] Disagree, [ ] Indifferent, [ ] Agree, [ ] Strongly Agree, What does that mean? Do I think that titans are way overpowered or do I think that they're completly useless?
That's a simple example but hopefully you get the point. Surveys can be ignored and interpretted wrongly, I'd rather have someone I can talk to about an issue, especially when this game is so complicated and there are so many things to address, that a survey would have to be huge, or you'd have to simply ignore some issues. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
320
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:06:00 -
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The majority of players don't vote because they don't know who or what the CSM is or does. If CCP wants a greater voter turnout, then they need to incorporate the CSM into the client itself.
Say for example, having CSM advertisements on the TV in Captain's Quarters, or even on the billboards around the gate. And most importantly allowing players to vote for the CSM right inside of the client itself instead of having to go to a webpage to do it.
Right now, it is "difficult" to vote for the CSM. Someone has to read the forums in order to stay informed, and if they want to vote they have to SEARCH for the voting page, and log in with each of their accounts. There are many things CCP could do to improve this process. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
695
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:15:00 -
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Jafit McJafitson wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Jenny Cameron wrote: Why doesn't CCP let people vote for ideas instead of people? Why no polls? That way they know what their player base wants, no votes are lost and more people may vote, simply because it's far more straightforward than voting for people. Voting for people is a very indirect way to see what your players want.
That's actually not a bad idea It is if you know anything about statistics and the response rate and accuracy of polls among customers. When was the last time you took the time to fill in a questionare for a product or service you've used? Usually the only people who will take the time to give feedback are the people who are either really happy or really unhappy with something. What if the survey doesn't ask the questions or address the issues you want to raise? Or what if it asks a question and you don't really understand what it means, who do you ask for clarification? What if you answer a question and it's interpretted wrongly by the researcher? Here's an example: Are Titans Balanced? [X] Strongly Disagree, [ ] Disagree, [ ] Indifferent, [ ] Agree, [ ] Strongly Agree, What does that mean? Do I think that titans are way overpowered or do I think that they're completly useless? That's a simple example but hopefully you get the point. Surveys can be ignored and interpretted wrongly, I'd rather have someone I can talk to about an issue, especially when this game is so complicated and there are so many things to address, that a survey would have to be huge, or you'd have to simply ignore some issues.
The problem with your question isn't that questions are inherently bad, but that it's simply a bad question.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Killer Gandry
Shadow of the Pain
41
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:25:00 -
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Too large candidate lists to scout through.
The fact that everytime the minutes get posted the majority is convinced it's smugged up by CCP because we all know the minutes are going through the CCP filter first.
People already give up because they are convinced the block votes from null sec give them no chance anyways.
People don't care enough to spend a few minutes to cast their vote.
High/low sec candidates are to fractured to stand a chance so why bother to vote
These are some of the arguements. There are many more ofcourse.
I do vote, but I have to say I hope the candidate lists get smaller. The new procedure where people will have to bring a minimal numbers of voters with them before even appearing on the list should be a good step forward.
If you can't carry your message to a certain amount of people prior to the elections then there is no chance anyways you will get enough votes to get in anyways.
More transparancy of CCP would also help. Keep the NDA stuff away. Atleast the stuff that would give ingame advantage in due time. But eventual naming and shaming of caught botters/exploiters I don't see any reason as why to keep that away from the public. There is a simple thing as the EULA that people have to agree to to be able to play the game in the first place. Wanna break that agreement by useage of bots or exploits then also be prepared to be named and shamed. I know for a fact that there are enough CEO's and even some alliance leaders who would like to know if they harbor botters/exploites so as they can remove them from their outfit.
Blockvotes from mull sec alliances aren't easy to overcome. It requires a lot of work, dedication and conviction next to a very good agenda with which you want to run your platform on. However most people don't want to spend that much energy.
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Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:25:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:Right now, it is "difficult" to vote for the CSM. Someone has to read the forums in order to stay informed, and if they want to vote they have to SEARCH for the voting page, and log in with each of their accounts. There are many things CCP could do to improve this process.
Not only that, people dont know or are dissalusioned with how the CSM process operates.
As according to the CSM constitutional, to get a point of interest for the CSM to discuss you have to:
Place a topic of interest on the CSM forums and get a majority interest in it OR Have a CSM council representative simply place one.
Prior to the beerfest in iceland, *cough*, I mean meeting with CCP where those ideas will be put forward the CSM council has the power to vito which topics to present.
Then the CSM represent those interests "for you" to CCP.
In CCP's defence it does also say that they wont allow any new idea into the mix they consider detrimental to the collective players of EvE. But then it also says they wont let meta interests persuade their judgement.
I let you decide for yourselves how effective a process the above seems to be and wether in actuality it is representing you as a player effectively.
This is why most players put stock in the general forum and other forums in the hope to communicate directly to CCP. TBH, I'd be suprised really to the apparent knowledge of the existance of the CSM forums for a lot of players. |
Honnete Du Decimer
16
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:49:00 -
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The majority no vote because they think no chance win against null sec alliance and they not know people.
Defeat before start. Majority not come for forums. PMS |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.28 16:04:00 -
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For clarification:
"When a topic is introduced, a seven-day counter begins. During this time, the topic is open for all individuals to deliberate. Should, after seven full days, 25% of the total participants in the last general election support a topic, the CSM is obligated to allocate time for that issue in their next meeting"
However, assuming its gets past the above, it doesn't mean the CSM council will then vote to even take it in their luggage to Iceland. |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
187
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Posted - 2012.01.28 16:09:00 -
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Only reason I vote is similar to the reason why I believe 'God' is a man:
No women would be fuckin' up EVE this badly.
Make your next vote feminine and if there aren't any women to vote for: call your mom and buy her a laptop and a plex.
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GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
947
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Posted - 2012.01.28 16:18:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Dztrgovac
22
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Posted - 2012.01.31 08:14:00 -
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Nope OP, mostly its just because people don't have a clue who the candidate is and volume of homework needed to check if that "3rd party highsec carebear candidate" isn't actually jita or transport alt of a -10 "uberleetpvper who feed on tears". (and in 95% of cases they area) |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2718
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Posted - 2012.01.31 10:31:00 -
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democracy gives power to the best organized; the majority is not organized.
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2012.01.31 13:50:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:democracy gives power to the best organized; the majority is not organized.
Then it's an oligarchy. In a democracy the representative body (CSM in this instance) responsibly takes note of the lack of representation of the majority and takes steps to alleviate the flaw. The representative body is assumed to be for a democracy, rather than for subverting a democracy into an oligarchy.
Then, we have the self-serving people whose dictionaries are in pencil...the folks with well-used erasers.
"Some are more equal than others." -George Orwell-
Leave it to the Goon's leader to have a goon take on things.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
492
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Posted - 2012.01.31 14:06:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:The Mittani wrote:democracy gives power to the best organized; the majority is not organized.
Then it's an oligarchy. In a democracy the representative body (CSM in this instance) responsibly takes note of the lack of representation of the majority and takes steps to alleviate the flaw. The representative body is assumed to be for a democracy, rather than for subverting a democracy into an oligarchy. Then, we have the self-serving people whose dictionaries are in pencil...the folks with well-used erasers. "Some are more equal than others." -George Orwell- Leave it to the Goon's leader to have a goon take on things.
If this is the case, then why is most of the US Congress still in office?
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2721
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Posted - 2012.01.31 14:37:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:The Mittani wrote:democracy gives power to the best organized; the majority is not organized.
Then it's an oligarchy. In a democracy the representative body (CSM in this instance) responsibly takes note of the lack of representation of the majority and takes steps to alleviate the flaw. The representative body is assumed to be for a democracy, rather than for subverting a democracy into an oligarchy. Then, we have the self-serving people whose dictionaries are in pencil...the folks with well-used erasers. "Some are more equal than others." -George Orwell- Leave it to the Goon's leader to have a goon take on things.
the best thing about election season is npc corp alts bleating earnest axioms of enlightenment-era political theory and godwinning themselves shortly thereafter The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
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