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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.11.01 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hardigeen
Originally by: Hanoi Hana I thought you left? Sorry to be so "confrontive" (a perfectly cromulent word), but you are accomplishing nothing here, and it seems somewhat established that you are accomplishing nothing on purpose.
I did leave, but then I saw how you, residnet trolls of Market discusion forums on Evo site, troll anyone that would like to say something, I decided to come back and just be anoying as much as you are. So here I am, trolling back at you, calling you stupid idiots with no life, just because I like to do that at this moment.
The Market will continue just fine with or without you playing in it. In the end, your own production and issues with mineral supply means nothing to the forces of the Market. Accept your insignificance in this regard and the fact that is a natural and neccessary part of a hyper-capitalistic game.
Once you do this, you will realize the truth about economics.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.11.01 18:41:00 -
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I'm not trolling. Just find all the moaning about dysprosium specifically suspicious. Regardless, prices for all that moon mineral stuff are going to spike here shortly anyway so the whole market will be in havoc. Don't come here complaining again when that happens.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.01 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Fabricati Diem I don't think the OP really came in here trolling.
He most definitely did.
He was given specific solutions to his problems and he ignored them. He called anyone who even remotely disagreed with him a troll. He avoided rational solutions and intentionally fanned flames.
This was a troll post from the beginning to the end. It may have also been a market manipulation thread but that is something I can't prove.
The whole thing should be trimmed down to 3-4 posts tho if not totally deleted.
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Fabricati Diem
Burleigh and Strong
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Posted - 2007.11.01 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
He most definitely did.
He was given specific solutions to his problems and he ignored them. He called anyone who even remotely disagreed with him a troll. He avoided rational solutions and intentionally fanned flames.
This was a troll post from the beginning to the end. It may have also been a market manipulation thread but that is something I can't prove.
The whole thing should be trimmed down to 3-4 posts tho if not totally deleted.
For a given value of trolling, I'd agree that it was started with intent to troll, but that definition would include (in my opinion) anyone that sees something they don't like and tries to get it changed by making it an issue.
He got an unsympathetic response, didn't respond well to suggestions how he handle it and is definitely all troll-y now, though.
As for market manipulation it certainly is, one way or the other. If he is as he presents himself, he wants people to come in and lower the price with new supplies or whatever. If he is the guy with the horde then he's just advertising, but either way he's attempting to get the market to do what he wants.
If nothing else, the thread is a good example of why one should lurk before posting in an unfamiliar forum.
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Hardigeen
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Hardigeen on 01/11/2007 22:04:55 Idiots with tinfoil hats.
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Fabricati Diem
Burleigh and Strong
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hardigeen Edited by: Hardigeen on 01/11/2007 22:04:55 Idiots with tinfoil hats.
Absolutely. No one around here has made any isk by fixing the market and taking advantage of those who won't adapt. Pure tinfoil that idea right there, glad you spotted it.
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:39:00 -
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The strangest thing about this thread, is that going to look at the jita Dysprosium market, and it looks quite healthy.
There are about 15 different buy orders at around 19k/unit, and around 10 different sell orders around 22-23k/unit.
OK, the prices have doubled in the last couple of months, but that is perfectly understandable with inventable t2 battleships coming soon.
But it realy doesnt look like a market which has just been cornered.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:42:00 -
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I guess it would be OK now to come out and admit that my alt is the one controlling this market. The key to market manipulation is to post 10+ orders so it doesn't look like manipulation.
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Hardigeen
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sphynx Stormlord The strangest thing about this thread, is that going to look at the jita Dysprosium market, and it looks quite healthy.
There are about 15 different buy orders at around 19k/unit, and around 10 different sell orders around 22-23k/unit.
OK, the prices have doubled in the last couple of months, but that is perfectly understandable with inventable t2 battleships coming soon.
But it realy doesnt look like a market which has just been cornered.
Maybe you should compare it to Promethium market to see whats different?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hardigeen Maybe you should compare it to Promethium market to see whats different?
I am not in the Promethium market?
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Hardigeen
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Hardigeen on 01/11/2007 22:53:14
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Hardigeen Maybe you should compare it to Promethium market to see whats different?
I am not in the Promethium market?
And for the resident trolls.... You went from calling me clueless about how market works, saying I dont know what buy order is, to saying I am the one who is fixing the price.
You gotta love the trolls, especialy the resident kind.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.11.01 23:12:00 -
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Wait the Promethium market is still up for grabs? Why didnt you say so in the first place?
Last one to Jita has to corner Amarr Battleships ...
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.01 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hardigeen Edited by: Hardigeen on 01/11/2007 22:53:14
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Hardigeen Maybe you should compare it to Promethium market to see whats different?
I am not in the Promethium market?
And for the resident trolls.... You went from calling me clueless about how market works, saying I dont know what buy order is, to saying I am the one who is fixing the price.
You gotta love the trolls, especialy the resident kind.
Can you not read written English? I said I am the one fixing the prices.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.11.01 23:29:00 -
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Quote: You went from calling me clueless about how market works, saying I dont know what buy order is,
Quote:
... You can buy from a specific order. One character owns all orders. I bought 1 unit of Dysprosium from each one of the 4-5 orders and same character was listed in my wallet as seller for each one of them at a different price.
*more unusually loud coughing*
End of the day, your initial claims that CCP needs to stop this sort of action from being possible is entirely ridiculous
Improve Market Competition!
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Fabricati Diem
Burleigh and Strong
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Posted - 2007.11.02 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle I said I am the one fixing the prices.
No, I am Spart .. uh, fixing the prices.
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Hardigeen
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Posted - 2007.11.02 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Hardigeen on 02/11/2007 01:42:47 Edited by: Hardigeen on 02/11/2007 01:42:12 Edited by: Hardigeen on 02/11/2007 01:38:59
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Quote: You went from calling me clueless about how market works, saying I dont know what buy order is,
Quote:
... You can buy from a specific order. One character owns all orders. I bought 1 unit of Dysprosium from each one of the 4-5 orders and same character was listed in my wallet as seller for each one of them at a different price.
*more unusually loud coughing*
End of the day, your initial claims that CCP needs to stop this sort of action from being possible is entirely ridiculous
Smartass.... If someone has an order to sell 360K of Dysprosium on the market you think he really was waiting 150 days of moon mining to bring his stuff on the market? I doubt it.
Dysprosium and Promethium are two moon minerals you can compare, and if you look at the price history, you can see what market manipulation did to the price of Dysprosium compared to the price of Promethium.
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GPszith
Gallente Gypsy Productions
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Posted - 2007.11.02 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Benvie I'm not trolling. Just find all the moaning about dysprosium specifically suspicious. Regardless, prices for all that moon mineral stuff are going to spike here shortly anyway so the whole market will be in havoc. Don't come here complaining again when that happens.
Looks like we know his main to me. -------------------------------------------------- -GPszith
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.11.02 01:45:00 -
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Quote: If someone has an order to sell 360K of Dysprosium on the market you think he really was waiting 150 days of moon mining to bring his stuff on the market? I doubt it.
Absolutely not. But what's that got to do with anything? He could've bought up jita, he could've bought up another region and moved it to jita.
But I'm really at a loss, whats the size of the sell order got to do with, well, anything? Someone bought up and is relisting at a higher price. So,,,, the sky is falling?
Someone manipulated the market. Woo.
Improve Market Competition!
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Hardigeen
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Posted - 2007.11.02 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Quote: If someone has an order to sell 360K of Dysprosium on the market you think he really was waiting 150 days of moon mining to bring his stuff on the market? I doubt it.
Absolutely not. But what's that got to do with anything? He could've bought up jita, he could've bought up another region and moved it to jita.
But I'm really at a loss, whats the size of the sell order got to do with, well, anything? Someone bought up and is relisting at a higher price. So,,,, the sky is falling?
Someone manipulated the market. Woo.
I think GP gave you the answer. Its ME, I'm the one reselling. at the Market forum residents....
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Karanth
Gallente Crazy 88's
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Posted - 2007.11.02 02:16:00 -
[110]
HAI GUYS, I MISS TEH PARTY YET? WOOT WOOT!
...WTF, this isn't CAOD! But, but, the troll OP...
Aw, forget it....
/me goes back to the cage.
All that's left...
There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. Well, there's not many of *us* left! -Rauth
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.11.02 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Benvie on 02/11/2007 03:09:52
Originally by: GPszith
Originally by: Benvie I'm not trolling. Just find all the moaning about dysprosium specifically suspicious. Regardless, prices for all that moon mineral stuff are going to spike here shortly anyway so the whole market will be in havoc. Don't come here complaining again when that happens.
Looks like we know his main to me.
I may not be understanding, but are you saying I'm Hardigeen's main? lol. I'm not involved in any dysprosium manipulation, but I may or may not be running a public investment corporation that may or may not have invested some ISK in moon minerals and tech 2 component futures.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.02 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Quote: If someone has an order to sell 360K of Dysprosium on the market you think he really was waiting 150 days of moon mining to bring his stuff on the market? I doubt it.
Absolutely not. But what's that got to do with anything? He could've bought up jita, he could've bought up another region and moved it to jita.
But I'm really at a loss, whats the size of the sell order got to do with, well, anything? Someone bought up and is relisting at a higher price. So,,,, the sky is falling?
Someone manipulated the market. Woo.
Are you expecting him to engage in a rational discussion with you?
Just curious.
I've already admitted it was me that this thread was created about. I cornered the market.
You can tell he is merely trolling though because he hasn't responded to these claims. He wants to troll, not face up to the fact that I've been gouging the hell out of him and he's been paying me a crapload more isk than he should.
So, Thank you for all your money :)
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Hardigeen
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Quote: If someone has an order to sell 360K of Dysprosium on the market you think he really was waiting 150 days of moon mining to bring his stuff on the market? I doubt it.
Absolutely not. But what's that got to do with anything? He could've bought up jita, he could've bought up another region and moved it to jita.
But I'm really at a loss, whats the size of the sell order got to do with, well, anything? Someone bought up and is relisting at a higher price. So,,,, the sky is falling?
Someone manipulated the market. Woo.
Are you expecting him to engage in a rational discussion with you?
Just curious.
I've already admitted it was me that this thread was created about. I cornered the market.
You can tell he is merely trolling though because he hasn't responded to these claims. He wants to troll, not face up to the fact that I've been gouging the hell out of him and he's been paying me a crapload more isk than he should.
So, Thank you for all your money :)
You wish....
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:53:00 -
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Hillarious _
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.11.02 06:47:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Akita T Hillarious
Talk about free ride on the WHAAAAAAMBULANCE all the way to SS&O. Don't like the answers you got in one forum? Cross post FTW and then get owned all over again.
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.11.02 08:08:00 -
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this thread is delivering, in several places
the "resident trolls", all 20-30 of them, are very obviously conspiring to drive you broke and this is why they keep trolling your thread and suggesting completely unworkable solutions to the problem like finding other sources of dysprosium and using buy orders while they spend the time buying out some of of it and raising prices even higher for you :D
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Babeele
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Posted - 2007.11.02 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sicil Fioet this thread is delivering, in several places
the "resident trolls", all 20-30 of them, are very obviously conspiring to drive you broke and this is why they keep trolling your thread and suggesting completely unworkable solutions to the problem like finding other sources of dysprosium and using buy orders while they spend the time buying out some of of it and raising prices even higher for you :D
OP is absolutely right and all of you trolls have no clue etc etc etc...
See, I have more alts too
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Michela
Bosun Shipyards Momentum Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.03 02:28:00 -
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Wow, I have never seen someone who claims to be a T2 producer whine so very, very much. If one is at the point in this game where they are making T2 items (either via BPO or Invention) that you would think that they would understand that there is more than just one way to obtain moon minerals.
I guess not in this case. Pathetic.
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DeltaMav
Rui Hostem Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.11.03 14:12:00 -
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I was till recently running a 22 pos network mining mostly Dysprosium & Promethium moons, due to wanting a change in direction I pulled them all down and sold off most the network in 0.0.
Am offering the moonscans for 1 region 0.0 with these moons + some moon scan data saved from other regions I used to run the network in.
Cost: 1bn, or 5bn for exclusive access to data, can msg me ingame for a chat. |
Liza Catapolus
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Posted - 2007.11.04 12:27:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Hardigeen
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Quote: My point still stands though, monopoly and price gouging to this extent is greatly affecting other areas of the game, and because this is not the real life, there should be a game mechanics that will prevent gouging without control. Simply saying that market will take care of it is not true.
Still waiting for a comment on my little price gouging experiment (proves people will always offer buy-orders well below market average, and people will always sell for well below average), tritanium and pyerite, *and* the four advanced materials I pointed out.
Point I'm making is that Quote: monopoly and price gouging to this extent is greatly affecting other areas of the game
this is simply not true.
I think comparing Dysprosium and lets say Tritanium and Pyerite is just wrong, anyone can mine belt minerals, while Dysprosium moons are in hands of very few. As for price gouging, it certainly is affecting tech 2 production as I for one will not pay 100% more each time I need a batch of Dysprosium, so yeah 1 tech 2 producer less, at least for now.
If the price really goes up 100% every time you make a purchase, you better be making amazing profits because your in the wrong business. Just buy that item, as much as you can from just that guy. Wait for him to mark it up 100%, sell it back to him for double your money.
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