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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.03 02:26:00 -
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OK... 3 people in a row all start posting that he is totally secure. Very odd.
I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole... I would say I am 99% certain this will eventually turn into a scam. It may very well be legit right now, but there is no way this is going to stay legit.
No one will be able to make the returns listed here for any large amount of ISK and there is no reason to pay out such high percentages.
He could start an IPO and pay only 10% a month and get a lot more money if he was truly trustworthy.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.03 02:59:00 -
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I want a 10% IPO. :(
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.03 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wieting Foyu Scam or not nice of you to post this and defame my character BEFORE asking. But oh well the ones that have invested are happy and they will continue. Kicking me out of poker just means you won't make any profit off my profit. I am not going to make an alt or take off my bio just for your poker channel. As I told you in private I don't make alts I have one character and that is all I plan on using. Any more would take the fun out of the game (at least for me) Just because I have been here for only a couple months doesn't mean anything. I only know trading. I don't mine and if I was in a pvp I would be the first to pop. The main reason I am on eve is the realism in the market to real life. All based on players supply and demand. Just because someone can't offer the same return doesn't mean its a scam. that just means they want to be greedy and keep more profit for themselves.
um, does this mean you're going to make a post about a public venture, in the near future? and does your name sound out as "waiting for you"?
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McRuder
Gallente Magnets and Duct Tape
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Posted - 2007.11.03 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
Wieting Foyu: nah if i pay back my investors they will invest more Arii Smith: I would kill my own mother, and steal from my own brother. Arii Smith: All for the love of ISK. Anna Sofia: lol Wieting Foyu: soon they will trust me enough to invest 20b then i will make a new alt :)
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Wieting Foyu
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Posted - 2007.11.03 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
Originally by: Wieting Foyu Scam or not nice of you to post this and defame my character BEFORE asking. But oh well the ones that have invested are happy and they will continue. Kicking me out of poker just means you won't make any profit off my profit. I am not going to make an alt or take off my bio just for your poker channel. As I told you in private I don't make alts I have one character and that is all I plan on using. Any more would take the fun out of the game (at least for me) Just because I have been here for only a couple months doesn't mean anything. I only know trading. I don't mine and if I was in a pvp I would be the first to pop. The main reason I am on eve is the realism in the market to real life. All based on players supply and demand. Just because someone can't offer the same return doesn't mean its a scam. that just means they want to be greedy and keep more profit for themselves.
um, does this mean you're going to make a post about a public venture, in the near future? and does your name sound out as "waiting for you"?
No, public ventures will carry over too many people to keep up with.. this was mainly made for little amount of people so its easier to keep track of in a week. Plus as the post says contact me before sending me money. I turn down lots because I don't plan on being on long enough to get the return. Just by looking at this topic, If I DID make it public it would get just as many, if not more, trolls thinking its a scam so why bother. What you consider low sums of money other consider great. This week I am working on turning 1.2b into 1.8b by 11-8. It is already at 1.5 so I need 300m more just to pay off the investors and anything after that I keep. Just because some people don't know how to use the market doesn't mean their is no way someone can do it. True traders use more than just the market to decide when and where to sell or buy. Hanoi Hana has stated in another post he can't seem to make a quick profit in low sec. Well I can and my sales are sold within a day, I do better research on the area and items. 1 free tip, read the killboards to find out what was destroyed and used in the battle. That will sell quick DUH. I give that freely to show I DO know what I am talking about. I have other avenues I research on to know when and where to get rid of items that is why I can GUARANTEE a 50% ROI when I am on. And as stated I don't use alts.. This character was made to be covert ops in the beginning thats why the name "waiting for you". If you don't want to invest then don't, but don't blame me because you can't make a 50% ROI on your own. Try the lottos that keep popping up maybe that will help you make a nice ROI they seem more legit obviously.
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Wieting Foyu
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Posted - 2007.11.03 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle OK... 3 people in a row all start posting that he is totally secure. Very odd.
I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole... I would say I am 99% certain this will eventually turn into a scam. It may very well be legit right now, but there is no way this is going to stay legit.
No one will be able to make the returns listed here for any large amount of ISK and there is no reason to pay out such high percentages.
He could start an IPO and pay only 10% a month and get a lot more money if he was truly trustworthy.
The three that posted in a row were because dax just showed me the thread so I asked investors if they wouldn't mind putting in a good word. I don't tell anyone who or how much is invested because I like my investors to have their privacy. An IPO is for a month... I never know what I am doing tomorrow let alone for a whole month. I know if I can do a week or not that is why I ask someone to contact me before sending the money. A full month is for miners to make money I can't play this game that long. And In a week i don't just give you the 50%.. I give you your money + 50% Its not a continuous investment just a week.
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Jaroslav Pascek
Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.11.03 13:54:00 -
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As u ppl can see ,i'm from ATU and of course u guys gonna say i'm part of a "pyramid scam" too because i'm speaking in favor of Wieting. The thing here is dont see any proof of scam,just the posibility of one.People is talking about investing a billion isk,well...if u are so dumb,so trusty or so rich as to risk that amount,u deserve whatever happens to u,but please come up with some proof of scam before u throw accusations to anyone. In my opinion,the true scammers are the greedy traders that give u a 15% return of investment,hell...i can make that easy and i'm a lousy trader. So far,the only ppl that have bad things to say about Wieting are the ones that haven't invested on him.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.03 14:06:00 -
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Jaroslav you and the guy in question have a remarkably similar dialect and post structure. I will put it in the assumption pile for the moment.
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Digital Nightfall
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Posted - 2007.11.03 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic Jaroslav you and the guy in question have a remarkably similar dialect and post structure. I will put it in the assumption pile for the moment.
Not really actually. Weiting, uses periods behind punctuations, capital i for I, and capital letters to start a new sentence. The only similarity between them is the lack of paragraphing. It also seems possible that weiting is a native english speaker, whereas Jaroslav is certainly not. However, his writing almost suggest constructed naive english.
/shrug.
Again, if noone claims to have been scammed, its hardly fair to call it a scam. People are saying they have had their returns on investments so far. However, it would seem that with a minimal amount of brain power, you can reach the conclusion not to invest too much into this, as this guy Weiting, seems ok with the quote on page 1, that he would run with a multi billion investment and create a new alt. ( If this is not an accurate quote, I, if I was in weitings shoes, would certainly have responded to it at the first oppertunity, something he has not done)
So, all in all, not a worth while investment plan imo. High risk, high reward, negated by the inability to invest amounts worth while, as the ethics of Weiting could suggest he is unfit to be trusted with large sums of isk. - If this is indeed the case, who knows when the amount matches his threshold for running with the money so to speak.
None of you reading this forum would choose to throw your isk at a buisness venture like this, except perhaps those of you who like to play social experiements. And people reading these forums for warnings(?) are already catious enough, (I think) to stay clear of these kinds of ventures. So, again I ask, why do we have these threads. The OP is cunning enough to know all these things before posting here. I would say anything he invested was the price he was willing to pay, to create this thread and clear some boredom :)
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.03 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic Jaroslav you and the guy in question have a remarkably similar dialect and post structure. I will put it in the assumption pile for the moment.
yeah, is that what "you think"? we all have seen how much weight to put into those thoughts.
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Jaroslav Pascek
Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.11.03 15:50:00 -
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Well Digital,that was accurate.My native language is spanish and my english is naive of course because i never studied it.I just know enough english to make myself understood :)
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.03 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Wieting Foyu An IPO is for a month...
Says who? An IPO is for as long as you say it is for when you create it.
Originally by: Wieting Foyu
A full month is for miners to make money
I don't even know what that means
Originally by: Wieting Foyu
This week I am working on turning 1.2b into 1.8b by 11-8. It is already at 1.5 so I need 300m more just to pay off the investors and anything after that I keep. Just because some people don't know how to use the market doesn't mean their is no way someone can do it. True traders use more than just the market to decide when and where to sell or buy.
You seem to be somewhat impressed with your own ability to turn 1.2b into 1.8b in a week. I'm not quite sure why you are impressed as it isn't hard to do. I'd imagine most of the regulars here could do this quite easily.
The question we are raising is not IF you can make 50% in a week, it is WHY you pay so much. You could just as easily pay only 10-15% if you released an IPO and you could pocket all the rest of the profits. This is why we are certain you are either a pyramid scam or simply not worthy of investment. If you can't figure out that you'd do better then you are definitely not worth an investment and if you know you'd do better and still avoid it then you're trying not to attract attention as you scam.
No one has refuted the above chat snippet posted... and thus there is nothing else to say but that this whole venture is a scam. Unless that is refuted this is a good way to take money from morons and that is about it.
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.03 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Setana Manoro on 03/11/2007 17:04:57 Edited by: Setana Manoro on 03/11/2007 17:02:39
Originally by: Curzon Dax So chatting with someone today, he told me that he had invested some ISK into a trader named Wieting Foyu. His bio reads as such:
------------------------------------------------- Just a humble trader trying to make an honest ISK in the universe, Of course there is more money to be made in the "not-so-honest" ways. If you need something delivered anything at all, just call and I will be Wieting Foyu. Check the link for services and pricing. Or if you are looking for that hard to find item I can find and get anything let me know what it is I will give you the quote on how much it will take for me to get it for ya. Or if you are too busy fighting pirates or mining and just want to invest, I know the best trade routes with the greatest Return On Investment. Remeber to contact me first before sending ISk, as RL might get in the way and I may have to turn you down for a couple days.
Invest in 24 hours = 15% Return On Investment Invest in 7 Days = 50% ROI Long term investments avail upon request.
http://www.aztecatransportationunlimited.com/index.htm ----------------------------------------------------
Now, my first thought was this: He's in Azteca Transportation Unlimited. The name sounded familiar, and I did a quick check. Fenian, one of the wealthiest and probably more successful scammers in Eve is in Aztec Industries. Vegeta and Paddyman (at least two other of Fenian's alts) are both in Omnicient Order; no relation to Weiting Foyu.
The corp similarities alarm me. As does the investment opportunity; it sounds like the pyramid / whatever schemes that an old trader whose name slips my mind got famous for and wrote a big blog about.
Now, I'm not casting judgement on Weiting Foyu; I'm just putting out whatever I know and think.
It wouldn't serve any purpose for me to invest 100m into it to see if its a scam; that's sort of pointless from my perspective. I haven't been able to get him to answer a convo request to find out exactly how he'd plan on making 50% return in a week. But by and large, I'm skeptical, wishing I could be hopeful.
What do you guys think?
Get them to play eve-poker, and compare their IP's ? Once you cross the bridge the first time, it gets easier. :)
PS: Anything that promises ROI of 50% that fast is a scam/pyramid scheme, it's not eve thread worthy ffs. Most ppl with an ounce of grey-matter would see right through it.
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Wieting Foyu
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Posted - 2007.11.03 17:26:00 -
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if you can't make 10% a day get a new line of work
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.03 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wieting Foyu if you can't make 10% a day get a new line of work
If you can make that much and still are dealing with only 1-2 billion isk then you are a liar or a fool.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.03 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Wieting Foyu if you can't make 10% a day get a new line of work
If you can make that much and still are dealing with only 1-2 billion isk then you are a liar or a fool.
or a hooker and your pimp takes 95% of the profits.
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Wieting Foyu
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Posted - 2007.11.03 17:49:00 -
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or only 4 months old and still having to buy skill books
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.03 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Wieting Foyu or only 4 months old and still having to buy skill books
i bought a skill book. once.
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