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The Masia
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Posted - 2012.01.27 14:54:00 -
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I've been playing EVE since 2004 and I normally take breaks every now and then. This time, I've been gone about a year, silently training here and there, but now I'm back.
I've been looking at most of the top combat ships in EVE for solo PvP (more or less solo Piracy tbh) and I'm stumped on what to fly. There are some really good options, but it seems a lot of the options I want are super expensive. I was wondering if anyone had any good advice for a fast, hard hitting, solo PvP ship for piracy?
The previous solo pvp ship threads I've read almost always start and end the same way, a bunch of players suggesting T1 frigates. Although I love frigates, I need something that's not for dueling other frigates. I need someone who has some experience in solo PvP to give some advice on a ship that's going to get kills from pilots who don't want to be killed. If you don't know the difference, then please don't respond. If there is a frigate or other hull that can do that, then please help a poor vet out with a good recommendation and some reasoning behind the selection. I'm open to anything.
Bonuses to any ship that can be fierce with stealth, even if it's T3 and expensive.
(I can fly most every ship in the game with my pilots, don't worry about race/hull restrictions) |
Techno General
Wiking Brigade
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:08:00 -
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Eidolon. |
Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:29:00 -
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Nano-Cane, 425mm cannons, 2 medium neuts, and speed like a demon. Best solo roam ship in the value/isk category in my opinion.
Cynabal is also very good, but less value per isk in my opinion. |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:29:00 -
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The Masia wrote: I need someone who has some experience in solo PvP
Impossible! Solo PVP is dead.
Seriously, your question is so vague and the options so manifold, that there cannot be a good definite answer.
Some ideas: - Drake if you are aiming for something cheap - Tengu if you can afford it - Minmatar cruiser hulls are famous for PVP these days - Eidolon
Note: I don't claim to have any recent first hand experience.
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Fara'a
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:40:00 -
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..another one trying to solo a MMORPG Hate it or love it, the underdog's on top, And I'm gonna shine until my heart stop. |
Grog Drinker
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:46:00 -
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Fara'a wrote:..another one trying to solo a MMORPG
Yes because if your not in a fleet your not doing it right...
You have many options and should probably fly many ships based on what you are trying to do at the time. No ship is going to be able to kill everything. Round out your hanger with a stack of battle cruisers a recon or two and if you have the isk a t3 or two. That way you can adapt to what you are hunting.
There is plenty of Solo PVP to be had. You just have to be willing to look for it and not run like a girl when local jumps by two or three. |
The Masia
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:46:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:The Masia wrote: I need someone who has some experience in solo PvP Impossible! Solo PVP is dead. Seriously, your question is so vague and the options so manifold, that there cannot be a good definite answer. Some ideas: - Drake if you are aiming for something cheap - Tengu if you can afford it - Minmatar cruiser hulls are famous for PVP these days - Eidolon Note: I don't claim to have any recent first hand experience.
It's not that vague. I need a ship that's going to be aggressive, pack a lot of DPS, speedy and can avoid ganks. When I played, that was the Vagabond. It had speed, DPS and can avoid ganks pretty well. Battlecruisers may be the answer. I hear Hurricanes can rip Vaga's.
BTW, why Tengu over say a Loki?
Fara'a wrote:..another one trying to solo a MMORPG
Well, I agree and disagree. I've been solo'ing in EVE for a very long time. It's been viable, but now it's more complicated. I would say that most pilots in EVE solo, but for PvE activities. It's not that it's wrong, it's just I don't have time to group up with other players and I don't want a free lunch. Ganking is just way too easy with all the nice tools and ships available for catching and punishing pilots. I like to rely on solo skilled gameplay.
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Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:55:00 -
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The Masia wrote: It's not that vague. I need a ship that's going to be aggressive, pack a lot of DPS, speedy and can avoid ganks. When I played, that was the Vagabond. It had speed, DPS and can avoid ganks pretty well. Battlecruisers may be the answer. I hear Hurricanes can rip Vaga's.
Now that's some information we haven't had before.
The Masia wrote: BTW, why Tengu over say a Loki?
Matter of taste. Like I said, Minmatar cruiser hulls are generally good for PVP. Loki included.
The Tengu though has some kind of special feature which is called "kiting". They can orbit fast and spam long range missiles. Like this (just grabbed something from BC). |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:57:00 -
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Techno General wrote:Eidolon.
My velator just laugh at you
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Luh Windan
S T R A T C O M NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2012.01.27 16:04:00 -
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Fara'a wrote:..another one trying to solo a MMORPG
We see this over and over and it really is one of the stupidest pieces of received wisdom going.
The OP is talking about hunting down and killing other *players*.
Spot that last word - P L A Y E R S - that's other people logged into the server and playing Eve.
All he means by 'solo' is not wanting other people on his side.
There certainly are a number of activities that you can do in Eve with the minimum of interaction with other players but even then in most of them other players remain a threat or competition. |
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The Masia
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Posted - 2012.01.27 16:30:00 -
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Luh Windan wrote:Fara'a wrote:..another one trying to solo a MMORPG We see this over and over and it really is one of the stupidest pieces of received wisdom going. The OP is talking about hunting down and killing other *players*. Spot that last word - P L A Y E R S - that's other people logged into the server and playing Eve. All he means by 'solo' is not wanting other people on his side. There certainly are a number of activities that you can do in Eve with the minimum of interaction with other players but even then in most of them other players remain a threat or competition.
Good point. It's not like I'm doing solo missions with NPC's. I'm talking about interacting with players via my guns. Isn't that what EVE is all about? |
The Masia
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Posted - 2012.01.27 16:32:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Matter of taste. Like I said, Minmatar cruiser hulls are generally good for PVP. Loki included. The Tengu though has some kind of special feature which is called "kiting". They can orbit fast and spam long range missiles. Like this (just grabbed something from BC).
I was thinking about something like this if I go super expensive without faction modules. Something that has close to 400 DPS (with implants), has stealth, can probe (I can use alts, but that's not truly solo) and has some speed.
[Loki, Solo PvP]
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Expanded Probe Launcher II
100MN Afterburner II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II
Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I |
Fara'a
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.01.27 16:51:00 -
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i understand the point and the idea behind the solo term, and maybe it's just that which i find hard to grasp: the idea of not doing something i like, with people i like that also like the same things..
but, to each his own, and to reply to your question: if you have the skills as a fighter pilot, i recommend any t3 since it will add much needed depth to what is otherwise a lone quest. multi subsystem choice will give you more options, versatility in every aspect of playing, great offensive and defensive abilities with a different look of the ship each time you switch a subsys. to sum the things up nicely for you.
welcome back, hope to see you in space sometimes ;) Hate it or love it, the underdog's on top, And I'm gonna shine until my heart stop. |
Luh Windan
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Posted - 2012.01.27 16:59:00 -
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The Masia wrote:Good point. It's not like I'm doing solo missions with NPC's. I'm talking about interacting with players via my guns. Isn't that what EVE is all about?
the best sort of interaction |
The Masia
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Posted - 2012.01.27 17:06:00 -
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Fara'a wrote:i understand the point and the idea behind the solo term, and maybe it's just that which i find hard to grasp: the idea of not doing something i like, with people i like that also like the same things..
but, to each his own, and to reply to your question: if you have the skills as a fighter pilot, i recommend any t3 since it will add much needed depth to what is otherwise a lone quest. multi subsystem choice will give you more options, versatility in every aspect of playing, great offensive and defensive abilities with a different look of the ship each time you switch a subsys. to sum the things up nicely for you.
welcome back, hope to see you in space sometimes ;)
It's looking that way with T3, but it's so expensive. We're talking about 500m just for the base setups.
I may lean towards a Rapier being they can come pretty close to 400dps with drones, overheat and implants. The only problem is that it doesn't have the same EHP, but then again, it's only 150m base. |
Darthewok
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.27 17:12:00 -
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Only problem with a T3 cruiser is - everyone is going to safespot the second they see it on scan! Sure the ship is powerful, but it will scare away fights, which was the whole point in the first place?
Perhaps flying something weaker/smaller such as Assault Frigs/Pirate Frigs/Nanocane/Vaga may get more fights.
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Vile Coyote
Deep Space Legacy REN0VATI0
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Posted - 2012.01.27 17:20:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Matter of taste. Like I said, Minmatar cruiser hulls are generally good for PVP. Loki included. Out of curiosity, what hulls are you thinking about besides the Loki ?
Rupture is good for a T1, but not really a contender for "best solo pvp ship". Stabber has a vague tackling niche. Scythe and Bellicose are Scythe and Bellicose. Rapier, Huginn, Scimitar, Broadsword do their job nicely, but not solo. Munnin might fit here too afaik.
That leaves Loki and Vaga ? What am I missing ? |
Luh Windan
S T R A T C O M NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2012.01.27 17:25:00 -
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Darthewok wrote:Only problem with a T3 cruiser is - everyone is going to safespot the second they see it on scan! Sure the ship is powerful, but it will scare away fights, which was the whole point in the first place?
Perhaps flying something weaker/smaller such as Assault Frigs/Pirate Frigs/Nanocane/Vaga may get more fights.
it might scare away the easy meat but there are plenty of FCs whose eyes light up at the sight of a T3 on D-scan.
I've seen t3s give decent size fleets a run for their money - you can't take out the whole fleet obviously but plenty of opportunity to kill stragglers
(and by the same token I've also seen clueless idiots in T3s taken to pieces by a small gang in seconds. This clearly doesn't apply to the OP but I mention it to those who might be thinking "oooh T3 - solo pwnmobile") |
Luh Windan
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Posted - 2012.01.27 17:28:00 -
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Vile Coyote wrote:Cebraio wrote:Matter of taste. Like I said, Minmatar cruiser hulls are generally good for PVP. Loki included. Out of curiosity, what hulls are you thinking about besides the Loki ? Rupture is good for a T1, but not really a contender for "best solo pvp ship". Stabber has a vague tackling niche. Scythe and Bellicose are Scythe and Bellicose. Rapier, Huginn, Scimitar, Broadsword do their job nicely, but not solo. Munnin might fit here too afaik. That leaves Loki and Vaga ? What am I missing ?
fleet stabber is nice too and cheaper than those. I've got one fit up like a super rupture which I like a lot (I've not done much solo but I can see it would work)
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Darthewok
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.27 17:41:00 -
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Luh Windan wrote:I've seen t3s give decent size fleets a run for their money - you can't take out the whole fleet obviously but plenty of opportunity to kill stragglers
Good point. This would be the "supership fights off blob" style of PVP. This would be very exciting but very hard on the wallet. Kudos to those who can pull this sort of fight off though. These are the heroes or madmen of EVE PVP. |
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Suyer
Sinister Elite
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Posted - 2012.01.27 17:47:00 -
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As others have said, the Hurricane is probably your absolute best bet as far as the "best" solo pvp ship goes. It does a lot of dps, has excellent range and speed and has a lot of utility with it's medium neuts. And it's extremely cheap for what it can do.
That said, if you're looking for something that's essentially unkillable unless you get hotdropped or are dumb, you probably should stick with either the cynabal or vagabond if you're going to pvp truely solo. If you have an alt that can scout you around, then i would suggest flying something like an active sliepnir/cyclone, triple rep myrm, astarte, or even an active tanked battleship, i.e. dominix/hyperion/maelstrom. I suggest a scout because it's likely you will die if you run into a moderately sized gate camp with these ships, even in lowsec.
If you an alt that can fly a gang booster, the best ship is hands down the 100mn AB tengu. As long as you don't fly it like a braindead monkey, you're essentially unkillable and can win pretty much any solo fight where they can't permatank your dps. It truely shines in it's ability to kill moderately sized gangs/camps with ease, and it can get these sort of fights fairly easily considering that most people assume the tengu to be a pve boat. They don't really expect you to jump into their camp and then burn away from them and kill them while tanking all of their dps and sitting at 40km.
I wouldn't suggest flying any ships above 200mil without a scout/gang booster because after that point it sort of becomes cost ineffective. So like I said, if an alt is not an option, then your best bet is the nano-cane.
Basically all an alt does is opens up possibilities for fighting larger gangs since you can safely fit more expensive mods to your ship in order to deal with groups of players without having to worry about your ship dying because you jumped into a fleet with a couple rapiers, and honestly this happens so often that an alt is almost a nessescity.
But yea, overall if you want to fly solo, Hurricane-->Cynabal-->Vagabond. These 3 ships look very engagable to others, scale pretty well with pilot skill and are in general fast enough to burn back to the gate in the worst case scenario. |
Luh Windan
S T R A T C O M NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2012.01.27 17:49:00 -
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Darthewok wrote:Luh Windan wrote:I've seen t3s give decent size fleets a run for their money - you can't take out the whole fleet obviously but plenty of opportunity to kill stragglers Good point. This would be the "supership fights off blob" style of PVP. This would be very exciting but very hard on the wallet. Kudos to those who can pull this sort of fight off though. These are the heroes or madmen of EVE PVP.
I suspect even worse on your underpants than your wallet in the T3
blob is a little unfair - I've been in large fleets sensibly split up in different locations trying to corner a T3. it can be exciting stuff even on the fleet end of things chasing a skilled pilot.
If you are going to get away with it in anything it's going to be a T3 - but one wrong move and you are indeed toast
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.01.27 18:13:00 -
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Cloaky Vagabond. It is very easy to only ever engage on your terms only with it. You just have to watch out for EWAR ships. Rapier/Huginn/Curse especially will mess you up. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.01.27 18:30:00 -
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My solo ship of choice would be either a Talos or a Harpy - though I'd certainly be willing to entertain an Ishtar or Stabber Fleet.
Talos: I've been engaging pretty heavy gangs with it and had great luck killing them until they get tired of it and just run away. Examples here: http://vimeo.com/34665420,http://vimeo.com/35131824
Harpy: I've been engaging really heavy gangs with the Harpy and had fantastic luck ******* people up. I've taken everything from inties and AFs to BCs solo with it. Last night I took a Vagabond on a gate with it. Its just got a fantastic tank. Examples are above, and also http://vimeo.com/35642474
Ishtar: The recent speed and agility boosts gave me back the old school nano Ishtar. I haven't put it to use but the numbers are there to support it and I've flown it before. Definitely sexy looking. :)
SFI: Your standard fare of killing people. Don't fly it like a Vaga.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.27 18:40:00 -
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Suyer wrote:They don't really expect you to jump into their camp and then burn away from them and watch them warp off since you're 40km away and can't keep a point on anything.
Fixed that for you. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.01.27 18:43:00 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:Suyer wrote:They don't really expect you to jump into their camp and then burn away from them and watch them warp off since you're 40km away and can't keep a point on anything. Fixed that for you.
Buy better points.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.01.27 18:50:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Merin Ryskin wrote:Suyer wrote:They don't really expect you to jump into their camp and then burn away from them and watch them warp off since you're 40km away and can't keep a point on anything. Fixed that for you. Buy better points. -Liang
Buy a Lachesis? |
The Masia
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Posted - 2012.01.27 18:57:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:My solo ship of choice would be either a Talos or a Harpy - though I'd certainly be willing to entertain an Ishtar or Stabber Fleet. Talos: I've been engaging pretty heavy gangs with it and had great luck killing them until they get tired of it and just run away. Examples here: http://vimeo.com/34665420,http://vimeo.com/35131824Harpy: I've been engaging really heavy gangs with the Harpy and had fantastic luck ******* people up. I've taken everything from inties and AFs to BCs solo with it. Last night I took a Vagabond on a gate with it. Its just got a fantastic tank. Examples are above, and also http://vimeo.com/35642474Ishtar: The recent speed and agility boosts gave me back the old school nano Ishtar. I haven't put it to use but the numbers are there to support it and I've flown it before. Definitely sexy looking. :) SFI: Your standard fare of killing people. Don't fly it like a Vaga. -Liang
I like your Harpy setup. I made similar, but tossed a Light Neutron Blaster II in one slot being I had the space as opposed to all Ion's. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.01.27 19:01:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Merin Ryskin wrote:Suyer wrote:They don't really expect you to jump into their camp and then burn away from them and watch them warp off since you're 40km away and can't keep a point on anything. Fixed that for you. Buy better points. -Liang Buy a Lachesis?
I own one. Now if I can just convince someone to bring a big enough gang to Ama that I can field it...
:)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.27 19:01:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Merin Ryskin wrote:Suyer wrote:They don't really expect you to jump into their camp and then burn away from them and watch them warp off since you're 40km away and can't keep a point on anything. Fixed that for you. Buy better points. -Liang
Ok, so you have a faction point and an alt running a tackle range gang link (which is still "solo" somehow), so you're up to 55km. Too bad you're still slow and have the agility of a titan, so you're still not going to catch anything that doesn't want to be caught. That's the fatal problem with the 100mn kite Tengu, you're only going to kill anything if you find targets that are stupid enough to just sit there and die. |
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