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NateX
Singularity. Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.03 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: BABARR
Quote: Oh and bubble drop should be aggro.
Lol, of course it should be. Good thing the speed nerf, is not so hard.
lol?
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Liam Fremen
Gallente Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2007.11.03 12:12:00 -
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I'm sure CCP will realy see what's happen nerfing everything and everywhere.
The last time i saw something like this "patch" was at tomb nerfbat time when a whole lot of different class suffered malus of various kind.
Now is the turn of gallente mostly, so all people from other empire will shout: Hurray!! we are both crap now!!
Wtf are the people tinking on this? i realy can't understand whi damn you have to KEEP NERFING AND BUFFING stuff, even in moments where no-one broke balls for it.
Dictors require 1,5 months of skill more then ceptor and cost more then ceptor, is NORMAL that they are better Period.
What is so strange in this?
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.03 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Liam Fremen
I'm sure CCP will realy see what's happen nerfing everything and everywhere.
The last time i saw something like this "patch" was at tomb nerfbat time when a whole lot of different class suffered malus of various kind.
Now is the turn of gallente mostly, so all people from other empire will shout: Hurray!! we are both crap now!!
Wtf are the people tinking on this? i realy can't understand whi damn you have to KEEP NERFING AND BUFFING stuff, even in moments where no-one broke balls for it.
Dictors require 1,5 months of skill more then ceptor and cost more then ceptor, is NORMAL that they are better Period.
What is so strange in this?
Considering that zealot and vaga take same amout of skills, is it NORMAL that one is better?
What's so strange in this?
Sabres are totally imba, pretty much unkillable by anything smaller (unlike flycatchers, eris & stuff). And vagas are pretty much in same class.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.11.03 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: FawKa
Sabre: 340m/s Flycatcher: 335m/s Eris: 325m/s Heretic: 315m/s
That is the nerf CCP came up with
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.11.03 16:29:00 -
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When you can go faster than an interceptor... lock down ships with an aoe sphere... have more firepower,armor,longer locking range. Is there not somthing wrong when it's better to fly a dictor over a ceptor to tackle with no drawbacks.
Not saying i like the nerf, nerfs suck... however why fly an interceptor when you can fly an interdictor and just be better at your job?
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Monticore D'Muertos
Caldari United Society Starfleet Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.03 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Monticore D''Muertos on 03/11/2007 17:21:47
Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus When you can go faster than an interceptor... lock down ships with an aoe sphere... have more firepower,armor,longer locking range. Is there not somthing wrong when it's better to fly a dictor over a ceptor to tackle with no drawbacks.
Not saying i like the nerf, nerfs suck... however why fly an interceptor when you can fly an interdictor and just be better at your job?
thats why the gave ceptors cap reduction bonus and tackling ceptors 35km scram range, ceptors will be faster now that they don;t need cap mods, not like my 5700m/s (implants rigs) sabre was killing every 8km/s ceptor in site. if they want people to fly ceptors why would they add the Hyena its going to make ceptors lives alot worse than any sabre did.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.11.03 18:07:00 -
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imho the real reason behind this is to make people use the heavy dictors (a ship that nobody asked for) which are basically more survivable slower versions of dictors (apart from some details like directed supercap scrambling which frankly could have just been added to the dictor without a problem).
so the idea is simple:
nerf dicors so they die all the time as they are too slow -> people use heavy dictors and its not a pointless ship anymore
everyone wins....ok, except the people actually enjoying to fly dictors or those building them I guess
to make intys more viable is just a side effect not the main reason I think
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1Of9
Gallente The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2007.11.03 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Interdictors as they are now are too effective compared to ceptors. Tbh the nerf should have been bigger...
100% agree. dictors needed a nerf along time ago.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.03 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: 1Of9
Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Interdictors as they are now are too effective compared to ceptors. Tbh the nerf should have been bigger...
100% agree. dictors needed a nerf along time ago.
Says the guy with the "save the carriers" sig.
Carriers needed nerfed a long time ago. And freighters. And fighters. And drones. And ... and... and... and...
Liang
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.11.03 20:08:00 -
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I dont know what ccp is trying to accomplish with all thes buffs and nerfs,most of them are kinda wtf but needed(besides the carrier etc)but dictors?Come on!
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mr mhc
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Posted - 2007.11.04 04:23:00 -
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me waits for vagabond nerf.
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Trishan
Green Men Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.11.04 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: Trishan on 04/11/2007 04:54:54
Originally by: mr mhc me waits for vagabond nerf.
Heat already brought a 16% to 20% dps nerf. That, plus the low skill EW frigs, ahem.. Well. Whatever. I guess they could also chop another turret off from the hurricane.
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Almarez
Setenta Corp Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.11.04 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Interdictors as they are now are too effective compared to ceptors. Tbh the nerf should have been bigger...
You don't know what you're talking about. Especially in light of the *HUGE* upcoming interceptor boost.
Liang
What inty boost?
News flash: Alliance losing members at an astounding rate but it's okay cause I just saved a bunch of money on car insurance by switching to Geiko.
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Galen Silas
Gallente Lucky Hydra Corp SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.04 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: Galen Silas on 04/11/2007 06:58:43 Edited by: Galen Silas on 04/11/2007 06:58:16 This almost makes me not want to fly a Heavy-Interdictor when they are released. If a smaller version is called primary like they are then an even bigger version posing more of a threat will be virtually pointless to fly.
I wish CCP would realize that its not fun playing a game when it's being nerfed all the time, and for stupid ass reasons.
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Shiodome
Caldari Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.04 07:18:00 -
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guys, guys calm down... this isn't a dictor nerf, you're looking at it the wrong way round. it's a WCS buff _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[*]====[cool]
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Transcendant One
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Posted - 2007.11.04 07:22:00 -
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I'm indifferent either way. They should nerf the saber anyway tho.
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Altai Saker
Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.11.04 09:28:00 -
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Not quite enough of a nerf imo. For everyone complaining, unplug your keyboard.
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DeathsEmbrace
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Posted - 2007.11.04 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Mozzie Interceptors are getting an 80% reduction in warp scrambler usage across the board. Half on the interceptors are getting a 10% (iirc) increase to warp scrambler and disruptor range per interceptor level.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Before I go off half*****ed and flame the holy hell out of you, why do you think this?
No, the *COLOSSAL* interceptor boost is what's going to make people want to fly interceptors.
Interestingly, interceptors no longer have a natural predator (dictors) at the same time that they're being boosted.
Liang
A single dictor can hold down all ships within a 20km radius, including ships with wcs and supercaps. It can also do this after jumping into another system or warping away. That is what I call overpowered. Something that is so overpowered deserves to be nerfed.
Making them less survivable will make them specialists and not generalists. This will mean that interceptors are needed for the general tackling role.
I don't know where you got the idea that the natural enemy of the interceptor was the dictor, I always thought it was rapiers, huginns, eagles and smartbombs.
Your missing the point dicters and dessies are designed to kill frigs (Hence "natural enemy"). "Hold down" no, they stop ships within the AoE of the sphere from warping, those ships can still drive out of the stationary sphere, and then warp. A dictor does carry the firepower to kill anything bigger than a frig, and to hold any ship in the bubble requires fleet support. A inty that scrams you will always outrun bigger ships and so will keep you a single ship scram no matter where he goes. effectively "holding" you permenantly. Thats the fundimental difference between an inty and a dictor. The dicter is a fleet combat ship (specialised role). Inty's have a general tackling role with much more flexability in their out fitting.
"Making them less survivable" have you every flown a destroyer? Destroyers are the t1 varient of the dictors and they carry a wet paper bag tank. The only one that can tank wortha damn is the coecer, and they all lack for speed and inertia due to mass (not to mention the near cruiser sig size). Interdictors being the T2 version have a slightly better slot layout. However, because they are always primaried, again you can't effectively tank them. An interdictor or inty's main defense is its speed. By slowing the dictors down, there gonna have to rely on that paper bag tank. The key to the paper bag being the near cruiser sized sig radius, making them soooooo much easier to hit and track than any frig in the game. The heavy dicters are a completely different ball game, they are designed to sit and take a pounding due to their insane natural tank. From what info is floating around, ccp has balanced that tank with several negitive effects. Loss of speed/thrust boost and increased sig when the spheres launched.
Interdicters need their speed to survive in combat, and to help them perform their role as a frig killer/fleet scrambler. If a pilot is stupid enough to think his frig can solo a dessy/dictor then he should be prepared to lose it. For exactly the same reason why you wouldn't try to solo a BC with a cruiser. To live is to die, and to die is to give life. Thus pain is a form of euphoria.
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Dristra
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.04 20:14:00 -
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They should at least boost the dictor in some other way, like in the ways of tank or firepower, not just leave it gimped.
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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Miz Cenuij
Caldari Simply Smacktackular
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Posted - 2007.11.04 20:39:00 -
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I agree 100% with the nerf, should have been harder though.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.04 20:55:00 -
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I hope this nerf is interecepted by the whiners, its really a shame nerf :(
- Gob
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FraXy
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.11.04 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: FraXy on 04/11/2007 21:05:16 I am a combat Sabre pilot and i endorse this nerf.
Should have been done a long time ago and glad they did it.
Now Interceptors got buffed (nicely i`d like to add) and got a role.
All that remains is fixing AFs so they aren`t just paperweight which they aren`t even decent at.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.11.04 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang imho the real reason behind this is to make people use the heavy dictors (a ship that nobody asked for) which are basically more survivable slower versions of dictors (apart from some details like directed supercap scrambling which frankly could have just been added to the dictor without a problem).
so the idea is simple:
nerf dicors so they die all the time as they are too slow -> people use heavy dictors and its not a pointless ship anymore
everyone wins....ok, except the people actually enjoying to fly dictors or those building them I guess
to make intys more viable is just a side effect not the main reason I think
this.
At least CCP's plan is more clear for how its planning the next couple of years. Ever tightening ship specialization will be required to compete, with skills to match (time spent training), with specific fits on each ship (isk sink to combat inflation) and t2 rather than tier2+ ships so industrial work is maintained via 0.0 production and invention rather than t1 manufacturing (again, time and isk sink). I'm assuming any general type ships and mods will be gradually phased out in favor of higher isk/time costs as well. Sucks for people that like generalist roles, but great for niche players.
Pretty smart business plan to make us continue playing and playing, tbh.
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.04 22:23:00 -
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as a pilot training for a dictor, i dont like this nerf at all. as it is i fear dictors, but they CAN be killed..
a cepter webs a dictor, and thats a dead dictor as long as the support shoots it before the cepter is popped.
whoever said cepters didnt have a role and needed a buff i have to disagree. cepters are maybe a LITTLE underpowered but i fly one all the time and love it. when your small gang finds a target and a cepter can tackle it almost instantly.. its great. the frig without a role is the assault frig.
if you want dictors nerfed, maybe make the spheres have a 1 or 2 point warp disrupt strength... dictors themselves as a ship are FINE. the sphere could be a bit overpowered, but i think it works as intended. especially because its not a one sided thing, you bubble your fleet, your fleet is stuck too!
imo leave the dictors alone, and boost assault frigs.the AF can tank the dictors fire somewhat, and has the damage to take a dictor down, but the dictor still has enough frig killing power to put a hurting on an AF.
*sigh* well im gunna go carebear till all these changes are made, then ill decide whats not nerfed to oblivion and train for that.
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