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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.02 21:26:00 -
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Its about a month since i proposed a vote in regards to the future of CAP4U, and our business plan.
This time, i mailed the top owner of the corp, to hear what he thinks. I have a clear idea that we should liquidate all but 2 carrier bpo's and 1 component bpo. No reaction to the email was taken however.
I ask for forgiveness, when i now take this in my own hand and go ahead and liquidate some bpo's. This time, this is the only option.
Its said that those who do not adapt, becomes the victim of evolution. I dont wanna see CAP4U going into knees because i didnt react in a timely manner to the changes which CCP proposes to the carriers(Which is our line of business). The reaction from the community have been strong to the nerfs which they suggests, but i dont trust CCP. I cant tell if i did this prematurely, or if it is a good call. But as i said, im keeping 2 bpo's. But my logic tells me that its the best way.
Ricdic will hopefully lock up the BPO's in question. This will take at least 24 hours. Any objection needs to be posted inside these 24 hours.
I of course have other ways to make isk. If just some of them work out as good as i could imagine, this could possibly increase the profit of CAP4U compared to what we are used to. It could also mean that we have a month(Very likely in fact) or 2(Not so likely) where the dividens wont be up to par. But this is what we have to live with.
Again, people have shown interest in buying CAP4U shares. If you cant live with 1-2 monts with decreased payouts, please do trade the shares.
A big cheers goes out to Hexxx for helping me and answering my stupid questions.
To summarize: You cant kill CAP4U. I will work hard to keep it going
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:10:00 -
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i thought there was a second dev blog saying they were making no changes to carriers in rev3? was there a third blog/post someplace?
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:12:00 -
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I see what LV is saying and do agree with him however when I offered to secure the bpo assets it was under the express condition that a shareholder vote would be required to unlock them.
I personally trust LV with 20b but some others may not so it would be wrong of me to do this against the original plan. Proton cannot be contacted now, but a 3 day vote should suffice in making sure the existing shareholders are comfortable with the change (proton's vote won't be made so the other 40% can still vote successfully)
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd i thought there was a second dev blog saying they were making no changes to carriers in rev3? was there a third blog/post someplace?
People wont buy carriers if they know that they will be nerfed. At present the carrier profit is down by almost 50% since i started.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic I see what LV is saying and do agree with him however when I offered to secure the bpo assets it was under the express condition that a shareholder vote would be required to unlock them.
Misunderstanding from my side. I understood that i just had to write on the forums, and give 24 hours for objections.
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.11.02 23:26:00 -
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As of now Carrier and Mothership ability to perform logistics is basically non-existent on Singularity. CCP has also stated that while they are holding off on their proposed nerf to fighters, they still plan to rework SOMETHING on carriers. It's just a matter of time. I'm sure a lot of people are spooked by all this. You can see the results with so many people trying to sell off their mothership and carrier bpos on the Sell Order forums.
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.11.02 23:34:00 -
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This is just a suggestion keeping in mind I don't own any of the corp:
Put the BPO's in question to be sold in a lab to research PE and/or ME till after Rev3. Then at least your cost is lower and you might have more of an edge in the market if it goes badly. The downside is your assets are tied up for that 1-3 months.
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.03 00:01:00 -
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if you're not going to do what your IPO said you were going to do then liquidate your IPO. If you have a new/different idea to amke money then start a new IPO. Hanging on to the old concept of "well they invested in me so I can do what I want" is just pathetic. People bought into an IPO. If they bought into you personally then the IPO should have been marketted as such (some have been).
Confusing investor apathy with investor confidence is just so out of date (though apparently a staple of this forum's diet).
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.03 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: FastLearner if you're not going to do what your IPO said you were going to do then liquidate your IPO. If you have a new/different idea to amke money then start a new IPO. Hanging on to the old concept of "well they invested in me so I can do what I want" is just pathetic. People bought into an IPO. If they bought into you personally then the IPO should have been marketted as such (some have been).
Confusing investor apathy with investor confidence is just so out of date (though apparently a staple of this forum's diet).
I have to agree completely. I was thinking this as I was reading the other posts and was going to write up the same response FL did.
But neither of us are shareholders I believe... so you can of course completely ignore us if that is your choice
But if you are so confident in your ability to make money then you should feel confident in starting a new IPO. You should have more trust now than you did then. This way you will be on your second IPO and will be able to operate completely inside a business plan, rather than making it up as you go... which leaves investors very much in the dark as to what to expect.
At the very least you should write up a new business plan that you will follow moving forward... and offer a full buyback to anyone who wants out. If people do get out then you can offer up the shares to new investors if they want in.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.03 02:20:00 -
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i'm a shareholder. but, in some people's my agreeing with shadarle and fastlearner would somehow invalidate what they've stated. so i'm just here to say that um, what i said.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.03 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd i'm a shareholder. but, in some people's my agreeing with shadarle and fastlearner would somehow invalidate what they've stated. so i'm just here to say that um, what i said.
Sorry, I wasn't going to post again until LV did... but I had to reply to this.
LOL!
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.03 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: FastLearner if you're not going to do what your IPO said you were going to do then liquidate your IPO. If you have a new/different idea to amke money then start a new IPO. Hanging on to the old concept of "well they invested in me so I can do what I want" is just pathetic. People bought into an IPO. If they bought into you personally then the IPO should have been marketted as such (some have been).
Confusing investor apathy with investor confidence is just so out of date (though apparently a staple of this forum's diet).
I have to agree completely. I was thinking this as I was reading the other posts and was going to write up the same response FL did.
But neither of us are shareholders I believe... so you can of course completely ignore us if that is your choice
But if you are so confident in your ability to make money then you should feel confident in starting a new IPO. You should have more trust now than you did then. This way you will be on your second IPO and will be able to operate completely inside a business plan, rather than making it up as you go... which leaves investors very much in the dark as to what to expect.
At the very least you should write up a new business plan that you will follow moving forward... and offer a full buyback to anyone who wants out. If people do get out then you can offer up the shares to new investors if they want in.
I have already offered buyback's. And last time when i proposed vote, i also stated that id buy back shares, if anybody wasnt happy.
I really wanna run this IPO, but i dont wanna have to write a new business plan because of CCP being some .....
People are welcome to convo me and talk to me if they have any doubt whatsoever. I think its a overhead to write up a whole new IPO and business plan. But i suppose its also a pride thing. I dont wanna "close" CAP4U after just 3 months.
So if you guys dont wanna arent happy about whats going on, ill buy back your shares. I can tell you, theres alot of people who wanna buy them.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.03 08:26:00 -
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Ok, this havent exactly been warmly welcomed on EGSEX.
Let me explain why i took this change.
As pointed out. Its expected, and totally inevitable that CCP will nerf carriers and moms. Market have already reacted. And i see no evidence that it will be any better.
This leads me to believe that theres no real hope for my carrier production. I dont wanna quit capital production completely. I will keep 2 carrier bpo's. But the current 5 ish i have, thats a no-go.
I could have stood my ground. Just wait and see what happens. But i think it would be irresponsable to have so many months it would eventually be, lower profits, only to see that capital market is dead, and that its impossible to get the BPO's off my hands.
I confront this problem which will happen, i think, maybe prematurely. BUT i think this is the best go.
Thats why i put a 24 hour period for people to argue about this. And now 3 days for people to vote for the unlock.
I realise that some people arent happy. But i think anything else would be a poor show of performance.
People are of course welcome to sell me back their shares. But im sure theres alot of people who wants to do so.
Please, if your an investor, and have any doubt. DO Convo me!
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.11.03 08:38:00 -
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To clarify, the people in egsex channel weren't disagreeing with your decision to get mostly out of capital ship production. They were saying the same thing Shadalar and FastLearner have said. If you're going to change your business, just liquidate and start a new IPO with a new business plan.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.03 17:03:00 -
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you really want to run THIS ipo is what you've said. well, your initial public offering was for cap ship productions, not something else. so by running something else, you're not running the initial public offering you gave.
i understand you don't want to lose all the money PP put into this venture by doing a payout and starting over afresh.
all folks have on here is the public's trust that they'll be good to their word.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.03 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd i understand you don't want to lose all the money PP put into this venture by doing a payout and starting over afresh.
Glad you brought that up, because I believe that is exactly the reason he doesn't want to liquidate.
PP is not around right now and is expecting LV to be making a profit with his money while he is gone. If LV liquidates PP's money will be doing nothing and LV prob feels bad about this.
Nevertheless what Ezoran said is right, you are only as good as your word here. You started as capital production IPO. If you are not in capital production you should start a new IPO for whatever you will be doing instead. Just because it was only a 3 month run isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's much better for an IPO to close early than to go on and on paying crappy dividends because it is using a failed concept (ISSO comes to mind).
But since I know you don't want to annoy PP I've already given you a possible solution.
Write up a new business plan detailing the kind of business you will be running from here on out. Keep the corp name and offer a 100% buyback. This way you will at least be doing things correctly and PP can keep his investment.
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Omar Shakti
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Posted - 2007.11.03 17:39:00 -
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I am posting this for Proton Power -
Lavista I will respect your wish's and other share holder wish's how ever this turns out. All I ask is if you do open up a new IPO only do a buy back on your current IPO. As you know you won't get my shares. Take the 12bil(ish) 13bil(ish) buy back you would owe me and put it into your new IPO.
Personally I say offer a buyback on your 7 or 8bil isk of shares I don't own and re-write a new buisness plan. Makes it a lot easier administrativly, and you won't have a tie down period of closing one IPO to start another one.
If you don't have the open 7 or 8bil isk to buyback the shares let me know, I have a good portion of isk saved up again, will have somone send you a few bil if you need and just send me the shares.
I appologize for not responding to emails or posting this myself, for some reason when I hit reply in Eve Online it asks me to sign in over and over again. I am also currently busy with RL Pirates so not much time for anything else atm.
Thank you for your continued support.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.03 17:42:00 -
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or blow everyone off and do what your ebank adviser says. whichever.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.03 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Omar Shakti I am posting this for Proton Power -
Lavista I will respect your wish's and other share holder wish's how ever this turns out. All I ask is if you do open up a new IPO only do a buy back on your current IPO. As you know you won't get my shares. Take the 12bil(ish) 13bil(ish) buy back you would owe me and put it into your new IPO.
Personally I say offer a buyback on your 7 or 8bil isk of shares I don't own and re-write a new buisness plan. Makes it a lot easier administrativly, and you won't have a tie down period of closing one IPO to start another one.
If you don't have the open 7 or 8bil isk to buyback the shares let me know, I have a good portion of isk saved up again, will have somone send you a few bil if you need and just send me the shares.
I appologize for not responding to emails or posting this myself, for some reason when I hit reply in Eve Online it asks me to sign in over and over again. I am also currently busy with RL Pirates so not much time for anything else atm.
Thank you for your continued support.
Hey Proton.
The current plan isnt to create a new corp. We will still be producing 2 carriers. So CAP4U isnt gonna be killed and recreated under a new banner.
I have talked to a nice amount of shareholders today, and heard their opinion on the whole matter.
So im positive that im doing whats right. This is the consensus between the shareholders i talked to, and it what feels the best to me. And i have heard next to no negative comments in regards to it. In fact, they have all been very very happy about it.
Thanks for your support PP :)
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.03 18:43:00 -
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Ezoran is a dirty troll. Ezoran has been repoted to mods for trolling on this and many other threads As trolling continues Ezoran will continue to be reported If Ezoran persists then sooner or later Ezoran will be no more.
(I realised ignoring you wouldn't work so instead we will see how this avenue goes)
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.03 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic Ezoran is a dirty troll. Ezoran has been repoted to mods for trolling on this and many other threads As trolling continues Ezoran will continue to be reported If Ezoran persists then sooner or later Ezoran will be no more.
(I realised ignoring you wouldn't work so instead we will see how this avenue goes)
all folks have on here is the public's trust that they'll be good to their word.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.04 09:58:00 -
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Given the feedback from investors, i have given ricdic order to lock up the BPO's.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.06 06:24:00 -
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Result from the vote: Unlock BPO's in question 99.5 % (99.5/100.0) Keep them locked. 0.5 % (0.5/100.0)
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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.06 08:05:00 -
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Finally logged in without an issue. That post above was made for me, I posted it on another forum that I use and able to sign into, and he posted it for me.
Lavista as I have stated, I don't care if you decide to sell noob ships to people with 60mil skill points. If you can make a profit doing it, you have fun doing it, and you don't kill yourself doing it, I will support you.
As I have already asked you in a personal email and hope you don't mind me revealing here, I plan on doing somthing big when I get back and hope to buyout a few IPO's and put them all into one Big IPO, and have a few people running it. I also have a few other plans, over all creating a massive isk flow for the projects that are hot one moment we can put more isk into it, and then the project that is running slow one month we can take some of its isk and put it into a better project. My goal is to Merge 4 IPO's into one big IPO and then add onto that as well. Not saying Lavista has agreed to this or even talked to me about it, just some things I am working.
Either way I am looking into a major IPO and having some people help with it. I am still playing with numbers to see if its even possible to work. -----------------------------------------------
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.06 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power Finally logged in without an issue. That post above was made for me, I posted it on another forum that I use and able to sign into, and he posted it for me.
Lavista as I have stated, I don't care if you decide to sell noob ships to people with 60mil skill points. If you can make a profit doing it, you have fun doing it, and you don't kill yourself doing it, I will support you.
As I have already asked you in a personal email and hope you don't mind me revealing here, I plan on doing somthing big when I get back and hope to buyout a few IPO's and put them all into one Big IPO, and have a few people running it. I also have a few other plans, over all creating a massive isk flow for the projects that are hot one moment we can put more isk into it, and then the project that is running slow one month we can take some of its isk and put it into a better project. My goal is to Merge 4 IPO's into one big IPO and then add onto that as well. Not saying Lavista has agreed to this or even talked to me about it, just some things I am working.
Either way I am looking into a major IPO and having some people help with it. I am still playing with numbers to see if its even possible to work.
I did indeed get a mail about this.
My official stance on this would be that i welcome any kind of dialog, if it benefits both parties, aswell as the shareholders of CAP4U.
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