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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6547
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:43:00 -
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Hello space friends;
You may or may not be aware that I am running for CSM in 2012. No hurt feelings from me if you didn't know that; honestly, I only know it because I'm the one doing it. In any event, it seems to me that the CSM could benefit from a consolidated list of what you fine folks think with regards to the present state of High Security Space.
I realize that what I am asking is a bit out of the ordinary, because we have been trained for the entirety of our political lives to simply pick a politician based on what he claims to want and then to complain about the politicians who we perceive did not give us what we want. I am not trying to do that at all. I want you, the People, to tell me what you want. I want to go to Iceland with a list of things that you guys want to see in EVE Online, and try to advocate them to CCP and the other CSM delegates. I realize, again, that this is a bit of a change from how we in Western cultures are accustomed to picking our politicians, but I honestly think it stands a good chance to succeed and if nothing else it is the most forthright and honest way to represent a constituency.
So that's my spiel. Whether or not you vote for me, how about contributing to a list of things you'd like to see?
I, for one, am in love with Rifters. A vote for Lyris is a vote for Rifters. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii
343
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:48:00 -
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HEIL NAIRN!
Edit: Allow my thanny into Jita if I pwomise to be a good boy.
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6547
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:49:00 -
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I promise nothing more than to serve to the best of my ability as a passionate advocate for the People. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
264
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:51:00 -
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1) Ban NPC Corps 2) Fix Bounty System 3) Eliminate Corp/Alliance-hopping dec shield tactics |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii
343
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:51:00 -
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You've also liked every one of my posts on your threads. Five likes for me equates to a CSM vote, although you had it anyway.
Goons dropped me on top of a huge POS and a supercarrier. The execution was so flawless that I completely deserved it and they still have my vote for CSM.
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Lady Starfire
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:53:00 -
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TAKE DOWN THE TWO ARMS SO THAT ONE ARM LIBERATION WILL HAPPEN AT LAST. |
Alara IonStorm
1495
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:54:00 -
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I would like to see Mission type Incursions.
Competing Sites, Spawning and De-Spawning Locations, Mothership Final Bosses and all that are great if you want to limit rewards but also limits the content. CCP has a great new AI and Rewards System for group PvE endeavors and I would like to see it used more often and more casually.
I am not saying big rewards here, Incursions is fine for that. Just simple Multi Level Missions that are group based and use the new AI. The rewards don't have to surpass Lvl 4's it is about the Content more then the farming.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6549
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:56:00 -
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Fake, goons don't have supers. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii
344
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:57:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Fake, goons don't have supers.
You mean... this memory was planted in my brain?
Inception.
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6549
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:58:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I would like to see Mission type Incursions.
Competing Sites, Spawning and De-Spawning Locations, Mothership Final Bosses and all that are great if you want to limit rewards but also limits the content. CCP has a great new AI and Rewards System for group PvE endeavors and I would like to see it used more often and more casually.
I am not saying big rewards here, Incursions is fine for that. Just simple Multi Level Missions that are group based and use the new AI. The rewards don't have to surpass Lvl 4's it is about the Content more then the farming.
How would you related these Incursion-style missions to Level 5 missions? Would you like to see Level 5 missions eliminated completely, or do you believe that Level 5 missions could be transformed into the thing you describe? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
939
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:00:00 -
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F highsec
I want to know what you'll do about all those damn Germans in AAS The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
772
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:01:00 -
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Lady Starfire wrote:TAKE DOWN THE TWO ARMS SO THAT ONE ARM LIBERATION WILL HAPPEN AT LAST.
I want that Lady Starfire gets the right to bear arms. -.- |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6549
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:01:00 -
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Morganta wrote:F highsec
I want to know what you'll do about all those damn Germans in AAS
Lyris Nairn wrote:I promise nothing more than to serve to the best of my ability as a passionate advocate for the People.
Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6549
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:01:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Lady Starfire wrote:TAKE DOWN THE TWO ARMS SO THAT ONE ARM LIBERATION WILL HAPPEN AT LAST. I want that Lady Starfire gets the right to carry arms. Seconded. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
939
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:07:00 -
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and btw my second issue will be reviled to you when some silly little temporary mod stealth moves this to jita park
rabble rabble rabble The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6549
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:08:00 -
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Morganta wrote:and btw my second issue will be reviled to you when some silly little temporary mod stealth moves this to jita park
rabble rabble rabble ok, hit me up Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Alara IonStorm
1496
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:19:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote: How would you related these Incursion-style missions to Level 5 missions? Would you like to see Level 5 missions eliminated completely, or do you believe that Level 5 missions could be transformed into the thing you describe?
I would prefer to see Lvl 5's transformed into a higher paying more difficult version built for Lo-Sec. Lvl 5's were supposed t be the group mission system but their mechanics are flawed and better ones have been created encouraging fleet tactics and shared rewards. Adding the new mechanics would be good IMO but just adding new harder, higher paying Lo-Sec Missions as a separate expansion of group play would be fine with me.
I would like to add that with the recent CSM Minutes intent on fixing / buffing T1 Cruisers which include the T1 Logi this type of PvE would allow newer players to experience group PvE if these missions are available at the lower levels as well as the higher ones.
The basic idea is to start spreading the new AI into more accessible area's of the game and make it more common. Not only does it add low to high end content but encourages buffer fleet fleet fit and tactics. How to incorporate it into the more or less obsolete group content that is Lvl 5 Missions is another thing whether they should be abandoned or re-iterated on. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6568
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:22:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote: How would you related these Incursion-style missions to Level 5 missions? Would you like to see Level 5 missions eliminated completely, or do you believe that Level 5 missions could be transformed into the thing you describe?
I would prefer to see Lvl 5's transformed into a higher paying more difficult version built for Lo-Sec. Lvl 5's were supposed t be the group mission system but their mechanics are flawed and better ones have been created encouraging fleet tactics and shared rewards. Adding the new mechanics would be good IMO but just adding new harder, higher paying Lo-Sec Missions as a separate expansion of group play would be fine with me. I would like to add that with the recent CSM Minutes intent on fixing / buffing T1 Cruisers which include the T1 Logi this type of PvE would allow newer players to experience group PvE if these missions are available at the lower levels as well as the higher ones. The basic idea is to start spreading the new AI into more accessible area's of the game and make it more common. Not only does it add low to high end content but encourages buffer fleet fleet fit and tactics. How to incorporate it into the more or less obsolete group content that is Lvl 5 Missions is another thing whether they should be abandoned or re-iterated on. Thank you very much for this post, I will be sure to pass on your thoughts if I am elected to CSM7. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
314
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:25:00 -
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No more Goons.
Fly Safe, Die Hard As stated by a fellow player, Mara Rinn, "EVE is not an internet spaceships game. It's a game of politics, subterfuge, capitalism, empire building and trust."-á
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
314
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:32:00 -
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I would like to see more pressure on CCP for a complete overhaul of mining. In my newbie opinion.. the simplicity, boredom, and poor payout of mining is what contributes to botting and the stigma against miners as the morons of EVE.
Just imagine if mining was more interactive like Exploration or challenging like Incursions. |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6634
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:37:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:No more Goons. Didn't you know? There have been no Goons ever since BOB won EVE. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6634
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:39:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:I would like to see more pressure on CCP for a complete overhaul of mining. In my newbie opinion.. the simplicity, boredom, and poor payout of mining is what contributes to botting and the stigma against miners as the morons of EVE.
Just imagine if mining was more interactive like Exploration or challenging like Incursions. This has been brought up several times in the past, and I don't see why CCP would not address it.
If elected, I will voice this issue to CCP. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
265
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:39:00 -
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POS Towers.
Dropping a corp out of an alliance gives it a 24 hour period of invulnerability, meaning a POS owned by a holding corp is practically impossible to destroy because it can always be taken down after being reinforced. This issue is related to alliance hopping and fixing it will almost certainly fix that "problem" too.
Also there is no restriction on the kind of tower or defensive modules you can anchor so you have structures with capital level EHP and capital level EWAR/Cap war modules in an environment where you are restricted to subcapital ships. Currently an unmanned POS owned by a two man corp which could be reinforced in an hour by three dreads takes a thirty man battleship fleet six hours to reinforce. That's just not cool.
Also every time a new person shoots at a ship you're remotely assisting all of your remote assist modules turn off, even if the person who started shooting can already shoot you. This may be super awesome for incursion bears, but it has a detrimental effect on people using logistics in PVP and you can't disable it.
That's literally all that actually matters, all the other stuff is pretty trivial. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
292
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:46:00 -
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There are many players who simply do not like the stress associated with PvP combat. We never have, and we never will. Telling such players "Well, you can play, but you are going to be pinatas for all the PvPers" is most likely driving away subscriptions. Some players will do whatever is needed to avoid PvP or a war dec, including not play eve. Give such players a better choice.
CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6634
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:51:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:There are many players who simply do not like the stress associated with PvP combat. We never have, and we never will. Telling such players "Well, you can play, but you are going to be pinatas for all the PvPers" is most likely driving away subscriptions. Some players will do whatever is needed to avoid PvP or a war dec, including not play eve. Give such players a better choice.
Can you describe a mechanic by which this could be provided? With respect, your message is a bit vague. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
265
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:52:00 -
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Its called an NPC corp. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
266
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:55:00 -
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(Ban NPC Corps) |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6667
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:55:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Its called an NPC corp. I disagree. During the Ice Interdiction, during Hulkageddon, and during the course of daily affairs, quite a few people in NPC corps fall victim to suicide ganks. I would imagine that the person I quoted would consider these actions to fall into the sort of PVP that he wishes to avoid, or that the people he is describing wish to avoid.
e: This is not to say that I am advocating the removal of suicide ganking; rather, this is me interpreting and articulating my understanding of what the person I quoted said. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
127
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:56:00 -
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People, for goodness sakes, LOOK at the poster. She is GOONS.
She has zero interest in high sec, other than to destroy it for the benefits of Goons and other nullsec'ers.
A vote for her is another nail in the high sec coffin.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6667
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:57:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:People, for goodness sakes, LOOK at the poster. She is GOONS.
She has zero interest in high sec, other than to destroy it for the benefits of Goons and other nullsec'ers.
A vote for her is another nail in the high sec coffin.
Why do you believe this?
e: At least we got to page 2 before the ad hominem attacks began.
PSGÇöplease do not look at my portrait and become distracted by the pretty Asian avatar; instead, I entreat you to look entirely at my posts and judge them by their own merit and the virtue of my arguments. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
127
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:04:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:[quote=Dinsdale Pirannha]People, for goodness sakes, LOOK at the poster. She is GOONS.
She has zero interest in high sec, other than to destroy it for the benefits of Goons and other nullsec'ers.
A vote for her is another nail in the high sec coffin.
Why do you believe this?
e: At least we got to page 2 before the ad hominem attacks began. [/quo
Why do I believe this? You are Goons, that is enough.
But for the unwashed masses, how about:
1. Goon support for Hulkageddon, which is aimed primarily at high sec miners. 2. Goons interdicting Gallente ice mining, which once again impacts primarily high sec ice miners. 3. Tacit support of Brick's attacks on high sec Incursions.
A vote for you would indeed be a vote for the proverbial fox to protect the henhouse.
How many Goons does Mittani figure he will get on this CSM? 6000 chars in the alliance, probably twice that many alts. With 18,000 votes used strategically, I am betting on you guys getting at least 5 on the CSM. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
293
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:05:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:There are many players who simply do not like the stress associated with PvP combat. We never have, and we never will. Telling such players "Well, you can play, but you are going to be pinatas for all the PvPers" is most likely driving away subscriptions. Some players will do whatever is needed to avoid PvP or a war dec, including not play eve. Give such players a better choice.
Can you describe a mechanic by which this could be provided? With respect, your message is a bit vague.
There are many possibilities. One is to allow players to declare their corp "protected", meaning it cannot be war decced. Such a corp could also not war dec, or be in an alliance, or have a POS, and would be subject to a CONCORD sur-tax.
Another would be to have suicide gankers pay the insurance payout of any ship they destroy.
But then the number of players who benefit from suicide ganking is tiny compared to those who are victimized by it. So is it really a net benefit to the game? Maybe without the right to shoot, you simply cannot shoot another player in high sec.
Now: Why would a Goon care about such ideas? CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
316
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:06:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: A vote for her is another nail in the high sec coffin.
You are truly daft if you think the CSM can get CCP to screw up high-sec. Highsec players are still a majority of total EVE accounts. Yes, even nullsec alts need CONCORD.
Besides, Have you seen Lyris' formal title in her signature? It's FABULOUS! Who wouldn't vote for that?
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Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
221
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:07:00 -
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What are your opinions on diversifying the four empires resources?
ie: splitting up the low end minerals similarly to ice with the goal of boosting regional economies and increasing trade?
You'd have to tweak the regional mission drops as well ofc. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6667
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:09:00 -
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[quote=Vincent Athena]
Quote:Now: Why would a Goon care about such ideas? I cannot and will not speculate as to why a broad classification of person would be motivated to do a thing. My motivation for caring about these ideas is that I like this video game, and I recognize that I have the time to spare to attend a bunch of meetings in Iceland to talk about it. I have always been of a school of thought which supposes that whatever game mechanics exist at a given time are irrelevant, because I and the people with whom I play video games will simply adapt to them. You will just have to take my word for it when I say that I have no interest how mechanics are changed, because I believe that no matter how they are changed I and my friends will find a way to profit from it; so, Why not give the People a candidate with no agenda but that of the People? That is what I intend to do.
Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6667
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:11:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: A vote for her is another nail in the high sec coffin.
You are truly daft if you think the CSM can get CCP to screw up high-sec. Highsec players are still a majority of total EVE accounts. Yes, even nullsec alts need CONCORD. Besides, Have you seen Lyris' formal title in her signature? It's FABULOUS! Who wouldn't vote for that? Contrary to what people will say in rhetoric, null sec players do not hate high sec players. A good chunk of null sec players have high sec alts for various purposes, not the least important of which being neutral, unaligned freighter alts for fueling the war machine and the logistics train from Jita to wherever in null sec they call home. That the null sec bloc hates high sec and wishes it to be disbanded is a fine line to bandy about when one is rattling one's saber to get out the null sec bloc vote, but it's simply not realistic. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
127
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:11:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:[quote=Vincent Athena] Quote:Now: Why would a Goon care about such ideas? I cannot and will not speculate as to why a broad classification of person would be motivated to do a thing. My motivation for caring about these ideas is that I like this video game, and I recognize that I have the time to spare to attend a bunch of meetings in Iceland to talk about it. I have always been of a school of thought which supposes that whatever game mechanics exist at a given time are irrelevant, because I and the people with whom I play video games will simply adapt to them. You will just have to take my word for it when I say that I have no interest how mechanics are changed, because I believe that no matter how they are changed I and my friends will find a way to profit from it; so, Why not give the People a candidate with no agenda but that of the People? That is what I intend to do.
Do you intend to renounce your null sec affiliation by leaving Goons, one of the major null sec alliances, and join a high sec corp? If not, you have zero credibility as a friend to high sec.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6677
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:12:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Quote:Now: Why would a Goon care about such ideas? I cannot and will not speculate as to why a broad classification of person would be motivated to do a thing. My motivation for caring about these ideas is that I like this video game, and I recognize that I have the time to spare to attend a bunch of meetings in Iceland to talk about it. I have always been of a school of thought which supposes that whatever game mechanics exist at a given time are irrelevant, because I and the people with whom I play video games will simply adapt to them. You will just have to take my word for it when I say that I have no interest how mechanics are changed, because I believe that no matter how they are changed I and my friends will find a way to profit from it; so, Why not give the People a candidate with no agenda but that of the People? That is what I intend to do. Do you intend to renounce your null sec affiliation by leaving Goons, one of the major null sec alliances, and join a high sec corp? If not, you have zero credibility as a friend to high sec. That is your opinion. Others would disagree.
As for leaving Goons, well... that's an entirely different can of worms that goes well beyond EVE Online. One does not "leave Goons" by virtue of anything done in a video game, seeing as how it's an out of game community.
e: formatting Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:13:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:People, for goodness sakes, LOOK at the poster. She is GOONS.
She has zero interest in high sec, other than to destroy it for the benefits of Goons and other nullsec'ers.
A vote for her is another nail in the high sec coffin.
Although I agree with you Dinsdale, you might be indicating too much authority towards what the person has.
There is a perfectly good features and ideas forum for suggestions to be heard officially by CCP, so don't let a candidates research spoil any opportunity to represent your ideas in better way elsewhere if that is the purpose.
And as such it would be wise to remember that at present there is no authority for the OP to currently enact any changes on behalf of the community. Nor if she got into CSM, it would be a proposition of ideas at best.
As such I beleive the OP is simply trying to educate herself to the issues in High sec. Interestingly other regions seem to be in other forums like C&P where the brother null sec thread is being discussed, so I don't understand her fracturing of the posts or seperation of regions if she wants to get a complete understanding.
If I was cynical it could be viewed as research of issues so that others can disarm the arguments later, or heaven forbid make it easier for the Goons to understand which situations to try and make even more worse for the suggested high sec population. It could just be an intel gathering exercise for the Goons war effort in this sense. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6677
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:16:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote: As such I beleive the OP is simply trying to educate herself to the issues in High sec. Interestingly other regions seem to be in other forums like C&P where the brother null sec thread is being discussed, so I don't understand her fracturing of the posts or seperation of regions if she wants to get a complete understanding.
The reason for this is that I am bouncing between threads that already exist, replying to comments in them, and only opening new threads when there is a lull in the posting. This is why the various threads you mention are separated by a span of time. Of course, the veracity of this explanation presupposes that I'm not just a pawn on The Mittani's chess board of EVE Online so take it with a grain of salt if you like. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
129
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:18:00 -
[41] - Quote
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:People, for goodness sakes, LOOK at the poster. She is GOONS.
She has zero interest in high sec, other than to destroy it for the benefits of Goons and other nullsec'ers.
A vote for her is another nail in the high sec coffin.
Although I agree with you Dinsdale, you might be indicating too much authority towards what the person has. There is a perfectly good features and ideas forum for suggestions to be heard officially by CCP, so don't let a candidates research spoil any opportunity to represent your ideas in better way elsewhere if that is the purpose. And as such it would be wise to remember that at present there is no authority for the OP to currently enact any changes on behalf of the community. Nor if she got into CSM, it would be a proposition of ideas at best. As such I beleive the OP is simply trying to educate herself to the issues in High sec. Interestingly other regions seem to be in other forums like C&P where the brother null sec thread is being discussed, so I don't understand her fracturing of the posts or seperation of regions if she wants to get a complete understanding. If I was cynical it could be viewed as research of issues so that others can disarm the arguments later, or heaven forbid make it easier for the Goons to understand which situations to try and make even more worse for the suggested high sec population. It could just be an intel gathering exercise for the Goons war effort in this sense.
I would agree with the more nefarious methods you are suggesting in your last paragraph.
I have never professed that Goons are stupid. Far from it. Evil sociopaths that enjoy destroying game play for anyone not in circle of friends, yes. Stupid, no.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6677
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:20:00 -
[42] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:There are many players who simply do not like the stress associated with PvP combat. We never have, and we never will. Telling such players "Well, you can play, but you are going to be pinatas for all the PvPers" is most likely driving away subscriptions. Some players will do whatever is needed to avoid PvP or a war dec, including not play eve. Give such players a better choice.
Can you describe a mechanic by which this could be provided? With respect, your message is a bit vague. There are many possibilities. One is to allow players to declare their corp "protected", meaning it cannot be war decced. Such a corp could also not war dec, or be in an alliance, or have a POS, and would be subject to a CONCORD sur-tax. I would be cautious about suggesting such a feature if I were you, since it seems to me as though it opens an entirely new avenue of grief and non-consensual PVP. If such a mechanic were to be implemented, then a malignant party could form a corporation and pay whatever fee to CONCORD, and then be immune to player-driven reprisal for anything they do; for example, you would not be able to hire mercenaries to go after that guy who just suicide ganked you if he was in a "protected" corporation. On the other hand, at least you would have a fair sampling of which players have stairs in their homes, so there is that.
Quote:But then the number of players who benefit from suicide ganking is tiny compared to those who are victimized by it. So is it really a net benefit to the game? Maybe without the right to shoot, you simply cannot shoot another player in high sec. This seems like the most feasible: simply disallow combat entirely by not allowing aggressive modules to be activated while a player is targeted in high security space. With the reservation that I do not believe it will meet with positive discussion at the table, I will stand by my campaign promise and advocate it if I am elected. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6677
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:22:00 -
[43] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:People, for goodness sakes, LOOK at the poster. She is GOONS.
She has zero interest in high sec, other than to destroy it for the benefits of Goons and other nullsec'ers.
A vote for her is another nail in the high sec coffin.
Although I agree with you Dinsdale, you might be indicating too much authority towards what the person has. There is a perfectly good features and ideas forum for suggestions to be heard officially by CCP, so don't let a candidates research spoil any opportunity to represent your ideas in better way elsewhere if that is the purpose. And as such it would be wise to remember that at present there is no authority for the OP to currently enact any changes on behalf of the community. Nor if she got into CSM, it would be a proposition of ideas at best. As such I beleive the OP is simply trying to educate herself to the issues in High sec. Interestingly other regions seem to be in other forums like C&P where the brother null sec thread is being discussed, so I don't understand her fracturing of the posts or seperation of regions if she wants to get a complete understanding. If I was cynical it could be viewed as research of issues so that others can disarm the arguments later, or heaven forbid make it easier for the Goons to understand which situations to try and make even more worse for the suggested high sec population. It could just be an intel gathering exercise for the Goons war effort in this sense. I would agree with the more nefarious methods you are suggesting in your last paragraph. I have never professed that Goons are stupid. Far from it. Evil sociopaths that enjoy destroying game play for anyone not in circle of friends, yes. Stupid, no. I think it is clear that I will not be getting your vote, sir! Still, I thank you for keeping my thread bumped and for contributing to the discussion that's taking place here. If nothing else, you give me reasons to check the thread and make sure I haven't overlooked any unanswered posts. Speaking of which, it seems that I have! Oh dear. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6677
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:25:00 -
[44] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Why do I believe this? You are Goons, that is enough.
But for the unwashed masses, how about:
1. Goon support for Hulkageddon, which is aimed primarily at high sec miners. 2. Goons interdicting Gallente ice mining, which once again impacts primarily high sec ice miners. 3. Tacit support of Brick's attacks on high sec Incursions.
A vote for you would indeed be a vote for the proverbial fox to protect the henhouse.
How many Goons does Mittani figure he will get on this CSM? 6000 chars in the alliance, probably twice that many alts. With 18,000 votes used strategically, I am betting on you guys getting at least 5 on the CSM.
With respect, sir, I am not an endorsed candidate for Goonswarm or the Clusterfuck Coalition; moreover, I will point out that your entire argument is based on prejudicial discrimination, which, being a subset of inductive inference, is logically fallacious. To clarify what I mean in plain language, you are alleging that because I am a member of "Group X," that I must wholly conform to your perception of how members of "Group X" will always and unerringly behave. With all due respect, sir, do you also believe that African American youths are "fleet footed," that persons of Hebrew ethnicity are "frugal," and so on? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Ganagati
Perkone Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:30:00 -
[45] - Quote
No more highsec nerfs. Leave missioning, mining and PI alone. Attempting to force us to move to 0.0 will only serve to make us miserable... and still not move to 0.0. Some of it tried it already, for years, and in the end just didn't like it
Ability to trick scanners, either by forcing them to see items in our inventory that do not exist (no ability to mask what is already there, only to add to it. The former would be a bit overpowered) or by forcing them to see mods to our ships that aren't there.
Reduction in standing required for jump clones with NPC corps. This was another failed attempt to force players into 0.0. Didn't work. Instead, all it did was cause a shortage of PvP willing players who will go past lowsec space into nullsec. The ones who don't feel like waiting until 8 standing just join a nullsec corp, get their jumpclones, and then return to highsec.
Make an aggressive attack against a player aggro you to their fleet, not just their corp.
Get rid of the chat icon on the Neocom so that I don't have to put a piece of electrical tape on that spot on my monitor whenever I enter Jita. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6677
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:30:00 -
[46] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:POS Towers.
Dropping a corp out of an alliance gives it a 24 hour period of invulnerability, meaning a POS owned by a holding corp is practically impossible to destroy because it can always be taken down after being reinforced. This issue is related to alliance hopping and fixing it will almost certainly fix that "problem" too.
Also there is no restriction on the kind of tower or defensive modules you can anchor so you have structures with capital level EHP and capital level EWAR/Cap war modules in an environment where you are restricted to subcapital ships. Currently an unmanned POS owned by a two man corp which could be reinforced in an hour by three dreads takes a thirty man battleship fleet six hours to reinforce. That's just not cool.
Also every time a new person shoots at a ship you're remotely assisting all of your remote assist modules turn off, even if the person who started shooting can already shoot you. This may be super awesome for incursion bears, but it has a detrimental effect on people using logistics in PVP and you can't disable it.
That's literally all that actually matters, all the other stuff is pretty trivial. Sincere apologies for taking so long to respond to this post. It's one with several points, and I did not want to do it injustice by skipping over them in a hurry.
I understand your post to hinge on the following points (please be sure I accurately understand them): first, that Player Owned Starbases in High Security space are both effectively and at times literally invulnerable, and that consequently the effectively invulnerable phase should be altered in some way while the literally invulnerable phase should be removed entirely from the game mechanics; second, that there presently exists an annoying mechanic whereby remote assist modules deactivate pursuant to a dialog box confirmation at every subsequent instance of aggression upon the target, and that consequently this deactivation and confirmation box should be removed, altered, or be made an option that the player can select or deselect at will.
Is that right? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
129
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:30:00 -
[47] - Quote
[quote=Lyris Nairn I think it is clear that I will not be getting your vote, sir! Still, I thank you for keeping my thread bumped and for contributing to the discussion that's taking place here. If nothing else, you give me reasons to check the thread and make sure I haven't overlooked any unanswered posts. Speaking of which, it seems that I have! Oh dear.[/quote]
Yes, it is a double-edge sword. To educate the masses on the deceit involved with you indirectly representing yourself as someone interested in high sec life, I have to keep pushing your thread to the top.
But don't worry, soon I will tire of this, and accept I can't fight 6000 people, and let you help destroy what remains of high sec. Your boss will eventually get his way and trash high sec.
It is only a matter of time, because high sec players are too apathetic, too uninformed, to recognize what you and your alliance represent. High sec cannot get organized enough to defeat Goons come election day.
And please stop liking my posts. I have no idea why you are, but I know it can't be good. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
267
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:32:00 -
[48] - Quote
Affirmative. |
Ganagati
Perkone Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:32:00 -
[49] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote: With respect, sir, I am not an endorsed candidate for Goonswarm or the Clusterfuck Coalition; moreover, I will point out that your entire argument is based on prejudicial discrimination, which, being a subset of inductive inference, is logically fallacious. To clarify what I mean in plain language, you are alleging that because I am a member of "Group X," that I must wholly conform to your perception of how members of "Group X" will always and unerringly behave. With all due respect, sir, do you also believe that African American youths are "fleet footed," that persons of Hebrew ethnicity are "frugal," and so on?
Did... did you really just compare being called out for being a member of the goons to R/L racial discrimination against ethnic groups?
...
wow.
I just...
wow. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6699
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:35:00 -
[50] - Quote
GanagatiGÇö I love that you included this in a bullet point list for me! That makes it very easy to read and respond.
Quote: No more highsec nerfs. Leave missioning, mining and PI alone. Attempting to force us to move to 0.0 will only serve to make us miserable... and still not move to 0.0. Some of it tried it already, for years, and in the end just didn't like it Gotcha. Noted.
Quote: Ability to trick scanners, either by forcing them to see items in our inventory that do not exist (no ability to mask what is already there, only to add to it. The former would be a bit overpowered) or by forcing them to see mods to our ships that aren't there. This seems like it would be an easy fix. Effectively a "cloaking device"-type module that you could fit to a ship to fool scanners.
Quote: Reduction in standing required for jump clones with NPC corps. This was another failed attempt to force players into 0.0. Didn't work. Instead, all it did was cause a shortage of PvP willing players who will go past lowsec space into nullsec. The ones who don't feel like waiting until 8 standing just join a nullsec corp, get their jumpclones, and then return to highsec. I am a bit confused as to why this is an issue, since I am under the impression that most high security players run missions on at least one character, and thereby have high standings with at least one corporation; however, I do understand what the complaint is and I feel that I can articulate an argument for its implementation. How does a 5.0 standing sound?
Quote: Make an aggressive attack against a player aggro you to their fleet, not just their corp. I am not sure if you realize the consequences of this, or the exploitative purposes to which it could be applied. ... Are you sure that's what you want? If so, sure. I'll voice it.
Quote: Get rid of the chat icon on the Neocom so that I don't have to put a piece of electrical tape on that spot on my monitor whenever I enter Jita. The ability to actually "close" local seems to be a related gripe. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6699
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:35:00 -
[51] - Quote
Ganagati wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote: With respect, sir, I am not an endorsed candidate for Goonswarm or the Clusterfuck Coalition; moreover, I will point out that your entire argument is based on prejudicial discrimination, which, being a subset of inductive inference, is logically fallacious. To clarify what I mean in plain language, you are alleging that because I am a member of "Group X," that I must wholly conform to your perception of how members of "Group X" will always and unerringly behave. With all due respect, sir, do you also believe that African American youths are "fleet footed," that persons of Hebrew ethnicity are "frugal," and so on?
Did... did you really just compare being called out for being a member of the goons to R/L racial discrimination against ethnic groups? ... wow. I just... wow. You sir, are an excellent troll. I honestly believed you were serious about running, until this. Now I feel goofy for ever having believed it. >_> Well played, sir. Well played. It is not on the same order of magnitude in terms of social acceptability, but it is the exact same thought process, yes. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6699
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:39:00 -
[52] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Affirmative. With regards to your stated concerns, then I fully agree and feel confident that I can articulate a reasoned argument.
The remote assistance warning and auto-deactivation thing ought to be a player-selected variable, just like the warning for going into low-security space or stealing from a container to which you do not have rights. I can see this being easily grouped together under the umbrella of "annoying UI fixes," right up there with the ability to opt out of CONCORD warnings for suicide ganking. As for the concerns about POS in high sec, that's a bit more tricky. I will definitely raise the discussion, but there does not appear to me at first glance to be nearly as clean-cut and obvious a solution as to the dialog box issue.
Do you have any specific suggestions as to how to modify the system? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6699
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:40:00 -
[53] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote: I think it is clear that I will not be getting your vote, sir! Still, I thank you for keeping my thread bumped and for contributing to the discussion that's taking place here. If nothing else, you give me reasons to check the thread and make sure I haven't overlooked any unanswered posts. Speaking of which, it seems that I have! Oh dear.
Yes, it is a double-edge sword. To educate the masses on the deceit involved with you indirectly representing yourself as someone interested in high sec life, I have to keep pushing your thread to the top. But don't worry, soon I will tire of this, and accept I can't fight 6000 people, and let you help destroy what remains of high sec. Your boss will eventually get his way and trash high sec. It is only a matter of time, because high sec players are too apathetic, too uninformed, to recognize what you and your alliance represent. High sec cannot get organized enough to defeat Goons come election day. And please stop liking my posts. I have no idea why you are, but I know it can't be good. I have one question for you, sir. In the event that I am elected, if I stand by my campaign promise, will you then make an apology to me for being so prejudiced, and retract your words? If you can answer "yes" to this question, then I see no reason why we cannot be friends; but, if you cannot answer "yes" to this question then you are, if you will forgive me for saying so, a bit closed minded. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
275
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:41:00 -
[54] - Quote
Burger joints with scantily clad personnel on rollerskates and music piped in over the tiny speakers. Drive-ins, not drive-throughs. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6699
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:42:00 -
[55] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Burger joints with scantily clad personnel on rollerskates and music piped in over the tiny speakers. Drive-ins, not drive-throughs. I have one of those in my home town! Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
294
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:47:00 -
[56] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote:...
I would be cautious about suggesting such a feature if I were you, since it seems to me as though it opens an entirely new avenue of grief and non-consensual PVP. If such a mechanic were to be implemented, then a malignant party could form a corporation and pay whatever fee to CONCORD, and then be immune to player-driven reprisal for anything they do; for example, you would not be able to hire mercenaries to go after that guy who just suicide ganked you if he was in a "protected" corporation. On the other hand, at least you would have a fair sampling of which players have stairs in their homes, so there is that.
In essence they can do that now, just stay in NPC corps and have a private chat channel. Another way to see this proposal is its a step between such a "meta corp" (everyone in an NPC corp and a private chat channel) and a real eve corp. You get the corp structure, offices, can shoot each other, corp standings, but nothing else.
Or: In order for a corp to keep its protected status the average corp security status must be zero or above.
If high sec was made very safe, it may become even more of a supply house for null than it already is. I don't think that the best way to make a living in null sec should be go to high sec. Other balancing changes may be needed. For example:
Adjust the mineral makeup and size of all modules so they never reprocess into a larger volume of minerals then the module volume.
Move ore types like Concentrated and Dense Veld out of high (well, maybe a few prize nuggets here and there) and boost their richness to +50% and +100%. In low you get mostly +50% types and in null, +100% types. The ABC ores and maybe even the HJ ores may have to be adjusted down a bit to prevent a (more) horrid oversupply issue.
With these 2 changes it will be easier for Null to supply itself.
TL;DR: don't change high without considering the rest of the game. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6699
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:48:00 -
[57] - Quote
Vincent AthenaGÇö
I am off to dinner just now, but I promise you a response when I return. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
538
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:48:00 -
[58] - Quote
I would like a complete mission revamp.
Reduce the overall number of rats, which increasing difficulty (and bounties) to match. This will achieve a few things. 1) reduce lag on medium to low end machines. 2) reduce salvage drops slightly, possibly increasing its value over time. 3) increase mission difficulty slightly (IMO).
Also adding some semi-randomness to missions. Its rather sad that almost every mission is 100% predictable. Some ways to do this: 1) non specific enemy type (done in one mission that I know off, one of my favorites). 2) enemy class and numbers not static. 3) enemies sometimes warp out (however, make it so that triggers and required ones don't do this so that the mission can still be completed).
A slightly smarter ai would help too. Its always hilarious, but ridiculous, when 5 BS aggro to my light drone and do that till they die.
Another idea is to make fleet orientated missions. Like a lvl 3 that would take a BS to solo, but could be done by 2 BCs as easily as a normal one (this is like the Blockade if you accidentally kill all the triggers first...). Having rewards slightly increased to compensate for increased difficulty.
So yeah, mission revamp is top on my list.
I guess mining too, but I only mine when I need a break from things... soothing sound of the strip miners. |
Ganagati
Perkone Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:55:00 -
[59] - Quote
Selectable missions. You go to a mission agent and he gives you a list of contracts you can take, ranging in difficulty. This way someone who wants to do nothing but difficult missions with good rewards can do those, and those who can just barely do level 4s can do the easiest. |
Roosterton
Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
297
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:56:00 -
[60] - Quote
1. Fix the highsec war mechanics. Get rid of dec shields, and make it so that a logi repping somebody who's engaged in combat will prevent the logi from docking/jumping.
2. Re-work the bounty system somehow so that it's actually usable and not just exploitable.
Do these things and you'll get my support. Otherwise, I guess I'll vote Mittens again |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
135
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:56:00 -
[61] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I have one question for you, sir. In the event that I am elected, if I stand by my campaign promise, will you then make an apology to me for being so prejudiced, and retract your words? If you can answer "yes" to this question, then I see no reason why we cannot be friends; but, if you cannot answer "yes" to this question then you are, if you will forgive me for saying so, a bit closed minded.
1. Precisely what campaign promise is that? 2. Given that any CSM votes are not public knowledge, I don't exactly know how anyone can be held accountable to any promises. 3. You are a Goon, who pride themselves on deceit. How many chars has your alliance trashed with an "invite to alliance" with a "modest fee", and then stole everything they transported to their new supposed home? You cannot be trusted.
I once flew in FCON. (yes, a very poor alliance, no argument there), and were supposedly friends of Goons. I bailed from that crew many months ago, but I had my dealings with Goons, and saw how you folks operated. Goons are bad for the game. Period. Full stop.
As long as you are a member of Goons, you will be tarred with that brush. You say that you are running without Mitten's approval. If so, that would indicate you are having some issues with the way Goons conduct themselves on the CSM.
So why not demonstrate that and LEAVE GOONS. Establish some credibility.
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
343
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:00:00 -
[62] - Quote
^ dude has a point |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
25
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:01:00 -
[63] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote:With respect, sir, I am not an endorsed candidate for Goonswarm or the Clusterfuck Coalition; moreover, I will point out that your entire argument is based on prejudicial discrimination, which, being a subset of inductive inference, is logically fallacious. To clarify what I mean in plain language, you are alleging that because I am a member of "Group X," that I must wholly conform to your perception of how members of "Group X" will always and unerringly behave. With all due respect, sir, do you also believe that African American youths are "fleet footed," that persons of Hebrew ethnicity are "frugal," and so on?
Ganagati wrote:Did... did you really just compare being called out for being a member of the goons to R/L racial discrimination against ethnic groups?
Lyris Nairn wrote:It is not on the same order of magnitude in terms of social acceptability, but it is the exact same thought process, yes.
I had a reaction similar to Ganagati (not identical though). Lyris I think you perhaps are downplaying the *voluntary* nature of being a member of Goonswarm. If a Black does not wish to be associated with the unfair stereotype of "fleet-footed criminal gangbangers", they cannot easily choose to be non-Black (Michael Jackson notwithstanding...)
You, on the other hand, have an easy path to distance yourself from the Goons. (I'm not advocating that you should.)
So your claim of "fallacious prejudicial discrimination" is built on the shaky foundation that persons in a voluntary association do not share the same mindset. Such a claim is contrary to our collective socialization (i.e. people with the same or similar mindset tend to form associations). The best claim (IMHO) that can be made is that the *detailed* *specific* mindsets of persons in a voluntary association do not necessarily track.
MDD |
Valei Khurelem
241
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:01:00 -
[64] - Quote
Goons may be assholes and if I ever met one in real life it'd be very tempting to hit them in the face with something blunt but what they're great at is breaking games, if instead of listening to them, CCP actually looked at what stuff they were abusing the crap out of and exploiting then CCP could fix it and EVE would end up being a really great game. It's just a shame they actually listen to their b.s. and lobbying that's blatantly skewed in favour of making it easier for them to play the game.
If I ever make a game though, I will be sure to invite them to beta test it to see how much stuff they can break, they put many QA Departments in games companies to shame especially CCP's.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
343
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:03:00 -
[65] - Quote
MailDeadDrop wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:With respect, sir, I am not an endorsed candidate for Goonswarm or the Clusterfuck Coalition; moreover, I will point out that your entire argument is based on prejudicial discrimination, which, being a subset of inductive inference, is logically fallacious. To clarify what I mean in plain language, you are alleging that because I am a member of "Group X," that I must wholly conform to your perception of how members of "Group X" will always and unerringly behave. With all due respect, sir, do you also believe that African American youths are "fleet footed," that persons of Hebrew ethnicity are "frugal," and so on? Ganagati wrote:Did... did you really just compare being called out for being a member of the goons to R/L racial discrimination against ethnic groups? Lyris Nairn wrote:It is not on the same order of magnitude in terms of social acceptability, but it is the exact same thought process, yes. If a Black does not wish to be associated with the unfair stereotype of "fleet-footed criminal gangbangers", they cannot easily choose to be non-Black (Michael Jackson notwithstanding...) MDD
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
2986
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:08:00 -
[66] - Quote
To be honest I rather see this thread locked. and secondly I have to agree with Lady Morganta you dont seem to be that much more elevated from the rest of the winers and have too much overexpectations of what you can do in the CSM.
Also wouldn't surprise me if the goons disowns this person it wouldnt be the first time either.
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MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
25
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:10:00 -
[67] - Quote
MailDeadDrop wrote:If a Black does not wish to be associated with the unfair stereotype of "fleet-footed criminal gangbangers", they cannot easily choose to be non-Black (Michael Jackson notwithstanding...)
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:WOW
I'm unclear. Are you attempting to draw attention to the despicable racial stereotyping I used (to which I do not in any way subscribe), or to the postmortem skewering of Michael Jackson and his skin pigmentation disorder (which I'll grant is rather tacky)?
MDD |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
294
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:12:00 -
[68] - Quote
Another interesting question: If you really are interested in helping High sec players better enjoy the game, why are you still being tolerated by the other Goons? Why have they not booted you from the entire out of game community for such a position?
Unless, of course, they know you do not really mean it. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
343
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:32:00 -
[69] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:Another interesting question: If you really are interested in helping High sec players better enjoy the game, why are you still being tolerated by the other Goons? Why have they not booted you from the entire out of game community for such a position?
Unless, of course, they know you do not really mean it.
Because we're not all unthinking bastards, maybe. Lyris is a goon and I love him because he is a goon.
I love you, Lyris. |
Selinate
623
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:33:00 -
[70] - Quote
A goon running on the promise of honesty.
Hilarity does ensue.... |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1012
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:37:00 -
[71] - Quote
Since you obviously have no clue about the issues and concerns of high security citizens, you ask for others to give that info along with ideas for high sec reform. I'm sorry but you're not the type of candidate I would want to represent my viewpoints. I could check all your past forum posting to get a good idea about your characters playstyle but quite frankly, just like others have said, I still wouldn't trust you even if all your posted replies were pro carebear.
Bottom line: I believe you're just a wolf in sheep clothing with a hidden agenda - to make sure the null sec alliance power blocks keep control of the CSM. |
Umega
Solis Mensa
62
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:51:00 -
[72] - Quote
1 - No perfect immunity for anyone, anywhere, ever other than sitting in a station(till 'Incarna' the way it could be is realized). Other cuddle, safe, non-harsh MMOs are over there.. not here, never.
2 - Re-vamp wardec mechanics. It's broken, in many ways. War defense should be an actual defense with tactics and strategy while actually in you know, War.. not simply dodging the 'draft'. Reap what you sow.. currently people now tho can 'grief' someone and never have to fight them. It swings both ways folks.
3 - Re-vamp Corp mechanics. Give leadership better ability to direct who can do what, it's too broad and broken. Don't eliminate corp theft, but don't keep it so mentally frustrating on the broad, easily exploitable management options.
4 - Re-vamp mining. It's boring.. make it less boring.
5 - Re-vamp mission AI. Both hurts/helps mission runners and pirates hitting mission runners. Make the mundane activity more fluid in feel and unpredictablity.
6 - Allow players to fight for, or against Sansha Incursions. Sort of like FW.
7 - NPC corp time table. Can't simply remove them.. but could have it so a set amount of time one is allowed to be in them.
8 - Attack and kill market bots. Get'em out. Increase corp taxes on trading. Don't got good standing with a corp station you trading from, make it hurt more than those that have gained trust with that NPC corp.
9 - Delayed local. People should earn and gather their intel.. not have it so easily handed to them. Works both ways, highsec immunity huggers.. if a 'griefer' stalking you is unaware you're in a system, harder it is for them to 'grief' you.
10 - Kill mining/ratter/mission bots. Altho a combo of 1 2 5 7 9 can allow players a chance to do something about it themselves with more ease.
11 - What happened to ice mining in scanned down comets only? Make it so!
12 - Isk sinks. Need more. Namely number one on my list.. ability to paint ships. Aurum ship painting is a waste of creating a very good, steady, strong Isk sink.
13 - No perfect immunity for anyone, anywhere, ever other than sitting in a station. Other cuddle, safe, non-harsh MMOs are over there.. not here, never.
I could go on n on n on..
Before the **** storm by the immunity huggers.. don't open your mouths. Stop talking.
Others with more reasonable thought and logic, an understanding of the core n foundation of this game.. give it some thought first before jumping to conclusions. Lot of it benefits those that want a safer highsec.. and those that do not as well.
The point is to make a more enjoyable EVE.. EVE.. EVE.. EVE..
Want a more enjoyable, safe game immune to the effects of others motives, ideals, instincts, desires.. go play something else. Clearly this game isn't for you, and shouldn't be molded into what it isn't.
And judge someone on who THEY are. Biased bigotry completely blinds you from seeing a person, when all you focus on is their alliance/corp. You can and should take into account a person's affliation, but the merit of who they are is on them, and not their corp/alliance. It's the same as 'I'm republican, all democrats are wrong and I only believe republican'.. you totally **** yourself over from even listening to another side, whom might actually have a couple of key points that favor you. Kudos, you shot yourself in the foot by being a bigot.
No wonder some of you seem so angry.. and you do it to yourselves.
I'll listen to Lyris first.. before I'll go jumping off the handle and assuming what she is by simply seeing 'a Goon'. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
294
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:53:00 -
[73] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Since you obviously have no clue about the issues and concerns of high security citizens, you ask for others to give that info along with ideas for high sec reform. I'm sorry but you're not the type of candidate I would want to represent my viewpoints. I could check all your past forum posting to get a good idea about your characters playstyle but quite frankly, just like others have said, I still wouldn't trust you even if all your posted replies were pro carebear.
Bottom line: I believe you're just a wolf in sheep clothing with a hidden agenda - to make sure the null sec alliance power blocks keep control of the CSM.
As there is a chance this is true, Id rather put my vote elsewhere.
CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
23
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Posted - 2012.01.27 23:56:00 -
[74] - Quote
High sec problems to fix:
The POS thing someone mention above
Get rid of the Concord warning when you already have GCC
Make wardeccing mean something (people can't just drop and leave alliance/corp without paying fines)
Implement an irremovable warning on main menu to "tank your ship or STFU"
and most importantly:
Ignore the outcries for risk free pve and complete safety when traveling, in fact ignore everything high sec bears cry about
I trust you can accomplish this :P |
Umega
Solis Mensa
63
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Posted - 2012.01.28 00:01:00 -
[75] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Since you obviously have no clue about the issues and concerns of high security citizens, you ask for others to give that info along with ideas for high sec reform. I'm sorry but you're not the type of candidate I would want to represent my viewpoints. I could check all your past forum posting to get a good idea about your characters playstyle but quite frankly, just like others have said, I still wouldn't trust you even if all your posted replies were pro carebear.
Bottom line: I believe you're just a wolf in sheep clothing with a hidden agenda - to make sure the null sec alliance power blocks keep control of the CSM.
Double standard.
One could claim that a PvE highsec orientated CSM could be out there with a hidden agenda to nerf null/low, nerf all of PvP, or at the very least certain sigments of it. Who are they to attempt such a thing without strong knowledge of that area of EVE?
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
294
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Posted - 2012.01.28 00:24:00 -
[76] - Quote
Umega wrote:......
13 - No perfect immunity for anyone, anywhere, ever other than sitting in a station. Other cuddle, safe, non-harsh MMOs are over there.. not here, never.
Before the **** storm by the immunity huggers.. don't open your mouths. Stop talking.
Er, how about "No".
There is no "over there". If there was an eve-online that was consensual PvP combat only I'd be there in a flash. But that game does not exist. As I cannot make such a game, the best option for me is to get this one to be modified so its more enjoyable, and stay in that part of the game that has the least stress. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
294
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Posted - 2012.01.28 00:27:00 -
[77] - Quote
Umega wrote:
One could claim that a PvE highsec orientated CSM could be out there with a hidden agenda to nerf null/low, nerf all of PvP, or at the very least certain sigments of it. Who are they to attempt such a thing without strong knowledge of that area of EVE?
Which is why a CSM with members from all parts of the game would be best.
CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Umega
Solis Mensa
63
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Posted - 2012.01.28 00:44:00 -
[78] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:Umega wrote:......
13 - No perfect immunity for anyone, anywhere, ever other than sitting in a station. Other cuddle, safe, non-harsh MMOs are over there.. not here, never.
Before the **** storm by the immunity huggers.. don't open your mouths. Stop talking.
Er, how about "No". There is no "over there". If there was an eve-online that was consensual PvP combat only I'd be there in a flash. But that game does not exist. As I cannot make such a game, the best option for me is to get this one to be modified so its more enjoyable, and stay in that part of the game that has the least stress.
Uhm.. No.
Exactly.. in EVE, there is no "over there". There are plenty upon plenty of concensual PvP combat games out on the market. Instanced, consensual battles all over the place in a marid of different styles. Go buy and play one if you want that, don't make excuses.
And what makes EVE unique is its nonconsensual PvP aspect. The ability to force your will, ideals, desire upon others that do not wish it. Cold and Harsh. As it should be.. not turned into something it isn't, which is what you are implying you would like to accomplish.
The best option for you is to go get a game that is the best option for you, and not ruin the foundation of what makes EVE.. EVE.
There simply is no compramise in making any facet of this game entirely safe.. that ruins the game that is EVE. It is that plain and simple. Don't like it.. feel free to design and make your own game around your core beliefs that apparently completely contradicate what EVE is.
And this is why you'll never be happy here, you'll never be happy with any CSM, cause no CSM with the idea of making a completely safe sigment of EVE will ever make it into office.. nor will even be heard with listening ears as they try to destroy the game CCP created.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
947
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Posted - 2012.01.28 00:47:00 -
[79] - Quote
will there be cake or pie? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6804
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Posted - 2012.01.28 00:49:00 -
[80] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote: TL;DR: don't change high without considering the rest of the game.
I had a larger post, but my browser ate it. Suffice to say that these are the wisest words someone has put forth with regards to making changes in game design in a long time. I like your idea about making null sec able to sustain itself, though I wonder if adjusting game mechanics would accomplish that. At this point it has become so ingrained in the culture of null sec that mining is worthless that I doubt many people, at least in the null sec bloc with which I am familiar, would be up for doing so. Of course, it's more a question of survival than preference if adjustments like the ones you suggest were to be implemented.
I will voice the concerns you have written, if I am elected. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6809
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Posted - 2012.01.28 00:51:00 -
[81] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:I would like a complete mission revamp.
Reduce the overall number of rats, which increasing difficulty (and bounties) to match. This will achieve a few things. 1) reduce lag on medium to low end machines. 2) reduce salvage drops slightly, possibly increasing its value over time. 3) increase mission difficulty slightly (IMO).
Also adding some semi-randomness to missions. Its rather sad that almost every mission is 100% predictable. Some ways to do this: 1) non specific enemy type (done in one mission that I know off, one of my favorites). 2) enemy class and numbers not static. 3) enemies sometimes warp out (however, make it so that triggers and required ones don't do this so that the mission can still be completed).
A slightly smarter ai would help too. Its always hilarious, but ridiculous, when 5 BS aggro to my light drone and do that till they die.
Another idea is to make fleet orientated missions. Like a lvl 3 that would take a BS to solo, but could be done by 2 BCs as easily as a normal one (this is like the Blockade if you accidentally kill all the triggers first...). Having rewards slightly increased to compensate for increased difficulty.
So yeah, mission revamp is top on my list.
I guess mining too, but I only mine when I need a break from things... soothing sound of the strip miners. These all seem like positive suggestions, and you present a coherent explanation for why you want them.
Would you mind if I referenced this post in the future? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6809
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Posted - 2012.01.28 00:53:00 -
[82] - Quote
Ganagati wrote:Selectable missions. You go to a mission agent and he gives you a list of contracts you can take, ranging in difficulty. This way someone who wants to do nothing but difficult missions with good rewards can do those, and those who can just barely do level 4s can do the easiest. This sounds like a wonderful idea, in all honesty! I can remember back when I was running Level 1 missions in EVE University, and the range of difficulty across missions just sort of boggled my mind. You either had a mission that was over almost as soon as you landed on grid, or you might have a mission that took nearly half an hour to do and might easily kill you if you don't know what you're doing. I'm all for things being ~difficult~ but the appearance of and prevalence of sites like eve-survival and other mission guides point to the fact that missions can be a pain in the neck for some, especially new guys. I think that everyone will be happy to see a change that benefits the new guys. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6809
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Posted - 2012.01.28 00:54:00 -
[83] - Quote
Roosterton wrote:1. Fix the highsec war mechanics. Get rid of dec shields, and make it so that a logi repping somebody who's engaged in combat will prevent the logi from docking/jumping. 2. Re-work the bounty system somehow so that it's actually usable and not just exploitable. Do these things and you'll get my support. Otherwise, I guess I'll vote Mittens again I cannot guarantee these changes; but, neither can he.
I can guarantee to bring them up and voice them with articulated arguments, though! These are specific mechanical changes that other people have raised and which I believe most people can agree are beneficial. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2012.01.28 01:00:00 -
[84] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:People, for goodness sakes, LOOK at the poster. She is GOONS.
She has zero interest in high sec, other than to destroy it for the benefits of Goons and other nullsec'ers.
A vote for her is another nail in the high sec coffin.
Correct. Telling a Goon who is going to run for CSM what you want in Highsec is EXACTLY how NOT to get it.
Goons have a reputation. They thrive on it, they promote it.
Give 'em what they deserve. Honor that hard-earned reputation.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6809
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Posted - 2012.01.28 01:06:00 -
[85] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:
I have one question for you, sir. In the event that I am elected, if I stand by my campaign promise, will you then make an apology to me for being so prejudiced, and retract your words? If you can answer "yes" to this question, then I see no reason why we cannot be friends; but, if you cannot answer "yes" to this question then you are, if you will forgive me for saying so, a bit closed minded.
1. Precisely what campaign promise is that? 2. Given that any CSM votes are not public knowledge, I don't exactly know how anyone can be held accountable to any promises. 3. You are a Goon, who pride themselves on deceit. How many chars has your alliance trashed with an "invite to alliance" with a "modest fee", and then stole everything they transported to their new supposed home? You cannot be trusted. I once flew in FCON. (yes, a very poor alliance, no argument there), and were supposedly friends of Goons. I bailed from that crew many months ago, but I had my dealings with Goons, and saw how you folks operated. Goons are bad for the game. Period. Full stop. As long as you are a member of Goons, you will be tarred with that brush. You say that you are running without Mitten's approval. If so, that would indicate you are having some issues with the way Goons conduct themselves on the CSM. So why not demonstrate that and LEAVE GOONS. Establish some credibility. My single campaign promise is that I will serve to the best of my ability as a passionate advocate for the expressed interests of the People as determined by the ideas they post in the discussion threads I start or in which I participate. I will not promise you any specific change; I will not promise you that anything I advocate will be implemented; those are things that I cannot say in good conscience. I am limited by the bounds and the scope of the position to do what the position would allow me to do, and that is to solicit the views of the constituency and then to represent them as much as I possibly can.
As for my status as a Goon, I have no means by which to demonstrate to you that I have done so, were I to "leave goons". I could leave the EVE guild "GoonWaffe," without leaving the out of game community, and you would be none the wiser. In fact, I am not really sure how I would "leave goons," out of game. I suppose I could just stop posting on Something Awful, but unless you knew my username on that forum and were somehow absolutely certain that I had no other username or affiliations beyond that one username you would still not know for sure that I had made good on a promise to "leave goons".
You are asking me to do something that I cannot do and then show you that I've done. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6809
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Posted - 2012.01.28 01:12:00 -
[86] - Quote
MailDeadDrop wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:With respect, sir, I am not an endorsed candidate for Goonswarm or the Clusterfuck Coalition; moreover, I will point out that your entire argument is based on prejudicial discrimination, which, being a subset of inductive inference, is logically fallacious. To clarify what I mean in plain language, you are alleging that because I am a member of "Group X," that I must wholly conform to your perception of how members of "Group X" will always and unerringly behave. With all due respect, sir, do you also believe that African American youths are "fleet footed," that persons of Hebrew ethnicity are "frugal," and so on? Ganagati wrote:Did... did you really just compare being called out for being a member of the goons to R/L racial discrimination against ethnic groups? Lyris Nairn wrote:It is not on the same order of magnitude in terms of social acceptability, but it is the exact same thought process, yes. I had a reaction similar to Ganagati (not identical though). Lyris I think you perhaps are downplaying the *voluntary* nature of being a member of Goonswarm. If a Black does not wish to be associated with the unfair stereotype of "fleet-footed criminal gangbangers", they cannot easily choose to be non-Black (Michael Jackson notwithstanding...) You, on the other hand, have an easy path to distance yourself from the Goons. (I'm not advocating that you should.) So your claim of "fallacious prejudicial discrimination" is built on the shaky foundation that persons in a voluntary association do not share the same mindset. Such a claim is contrary to our collective socialization (i.e. people with the same or similar mindset tend to form associations). The best claim (IMHO) that can be made is that the *detailed* *specific* mindsets of persons in a voluntary association do not necessarily track. MDD I am not downplaying the voluntary nature of being a member of Goonswarm; rather, I am dismissing the voluntary nature of my affiliation with the group as irrelevant. Some people have prejudicial discrimination towards involuntary group membership such a person's ethnic group; other people have prejudicial discrimination towards voluntary group membership such as a person's job, a person's taste in music, or a person's membership in a video game guild. Whether one exhibits prejudicial discrimination against a person's involuntary group status or voluntary group status, that person is displaying prejudicial discrimination; and, all prejudicial discrimination, the same being a subset of inductive inference, is logically fallacious.
You seem to be trying to frame this discussion in terms of morality, social acceptability, and shock value. I am not. I am speaking purely in terms of whether a thought process is logically valid. Inductive inference is not. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6816
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Posted - 2012.01.28 01:15:00 -
[87] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Another interesting question: If you really are interested in helping High sec players better enjoy the game, why are you still being tolerated by the other Goons? Why have they not booted you from the entire out of game community for such a position?
Unless, of course, they know you do not really mean it. Because we're not all unthinking bastards, maybe. Lyris is a goon and I love him because he is a goon. I love you, Lyris. I love you, too, Blawrf. Could you go check on Serpentis Prime for me? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6816
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Posted - 2012.01.28 01:15:00 -
[88] - Quote
Morganta wrote:will there be cake or pie? I'm afraid that by the time elections roll around, the only option still available will be "or Death". Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6816
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Posted - 2012.01.28 01:17:00 -
[89] - Quote
Ludi Burek wrote:High sec problems to fix:
Ignore the outcries for risk free pve and complete safety when traveling, in fact ignore everything high sec bears cry about
I trust you can accomplish this :P heh- to hear some of the posters in this thread say it, I intend to do exactly that! Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Ganagati
Perkone Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2012.01.28 01:56:00 -
[90] - Quote
Suggestion: Fake PLEXs/modules or an item that allows you to trick a scanner into thinking you have more (not less, only more) items in your cargohold than you do. So you can't mask the fact that you have 50 PLEXs in your hull, but you can make it look like you have 50 even when you don't.
Why? Carebear suicide gankers annoy me. It's impossible to truly grief a carebear ganker. They have calculated risks, know how much they will lose and have an estimate of how much they will gain. They never lose more than their calculated Risk, and usually come out on top. I'd like to see that change... a chance to grief the griefer, if you will. Start running transports and BSs with cargoholds that they see are full of PLEXs. They jump it, waste 2bil in ships taking it down... only to realize the cargohold is empty.
What does it accomplish? Teaches the carebears what it really means to be in EVE, and not what they think it means while they do risk-free suicides. :) |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6933
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:00:00 -
[91] - Quote
I like it. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:21:00 -
[92] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote:Hello space friends;
You may or may not be aware that I am running for CSM in 2012. No hurt feelings from me if you didn't know that; honestly, I only know it because I'm the one doing it. In any event, it seems to me that the CSM could benefit from a consolidated list of what you fine folks think with regards to the present state of High Security Space.
I realize that what I am asking is a bit out of the ordinary, because we have been trained for the entirety of our political lives to simply pick a politician based on what he claims to want and then to complain about the politicians who we perceive did not give us what we want. I am not trying to do that at all. I want you, the People, to tell me what you want. I want to go to Iceland with a list of things that you guys want to see in EVE Online, and try to advocate them to CCP and the other CSM delegates. I realize, again, that this is a bit of a change from how we in Western cultures are accustomed to picking our politicians, but I honestly think it stands a good chance to succeed and if nothing else it is the most forthright and honest way to represent a constituency.
So that's my spiel. Whether or not you vote for me, how about contributing to a list of things you'd like to see?
I, for one, am in love with Rifters. A vote for Lyris is a vote for Rifters. you'll have my votes Not a veteran, just bitter.. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6954
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:22:00 -
[93] - Quote
TuonelanOrja wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Hello space friends;
You may or may not be aware that I am running for CSM in 2012. No hurt feelings from me if you didn't know that; honestly, I only know it because I'm the one doing it. In any event, it seems to me that the CSM could benefit from a consolidated list of what you fine folks think with regards to the present state of High Security Space.
I realize that what I am asking is a bit out of the ordinary, because we have been trained for the entirety of our political lives to simply pick a politician based on what he claims to want and then to complain about the politicians who we perceive did not give us what we want. I am not trying to do that at all. I want you, the People, to tell me what you want. I want to go to Iceland with a list of things that you guys want to see in EVE Online, and try to advocate them to CCP and the other CSM delegates. I realize, again, that this is a bit of a change from how we in Western cultures are accustomed to picking our politicians, but I honestly think it stands a good chance to succeed and if nothing else it is the most forthright and honest way to represent a constituency.
So that's my spiel. Whether or not you vote for me, how about contributing to a list of things you'd like to see?
I, for one, am in love with Rifters. A vote for Lyris is a vote for Rifters. you'll have my votes Thank you very much! Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:31:00 -
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Have 1 frigate from each race be immune to CONCORD intervention when the fight consists only of that type of frig.
So for minmatar, if the Rifter is chosen then all Rifter on Rifter combat will not invoke a CONCORD response of any kind. Anything else on the Rifter or Rifter on anything else will, however.
Might get highsec carebears hooked on PvP once they see what it's like... Might even get em to start scooting out towards lowsec. See, when more carebears think of PvP they think of suicide ganking, can flipping, etc. Funny for the attacker and those around, but not fun for the person getting attacked. That's EVE, right? Except that player now has even less desire to ever get involved with PvP. But if this could act as a sort of intro to PvP for them, to show them what PvP is ACTUALLY like, they might get a little more interested. Protect highsec.-áWe are the 66%.
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Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
222
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:33:00 -
[95] - Quote
I don't live in high sec anymore but I did once for a long time, I joined without a big external group to guide me and all I knew was highsec. Much later I was sucked back into Eve by Dreddit and came to the conclusion that the newbie experience in Eve is and always has been very flawed.
Other games go to great lengths to train players how to play the game in a way that doesn't feel like a tutorial. Portal for example doesn't stop the game and lecture the player, instead the player spends half the game being gradually exposed to situations where they discover and master the knowledge and tools they need to play the game. Granted Eve may be far more complex and far less intuitive than a FPS game, but all the tutorial has ever done is show you how to move your ship and shoot at red crosses and then it sends you on a series of missions where you shoot more red crosses. Naturally the player is going to assume that this game is just about shooting red crosses. They're also woefully ignorant of the dangers they are exposed to even in highsec, with suicide gankers, can flippers, scammers all trying to kill them and steal their stuff.
I remember making my very first trial account in Eve, and I remember what I was thinking as I carefully made the choices for my character's background. I joined state war acadamy because I wanted to do combat, ended up shooting red crosses instead of other players because that's what the tutorial tells you to do. You end up thinking "maybe if I do a few more missions and got a few more SP I'd be ready to do some PvP one day" - but for many that day never comes.
I have convinced highsec players to join nullsec/PvP corps and alliances when on my NPC corp trade alts, and they've usually said how glad they are that I steered them down that path. I believe that there are a lot of players live in highsec but don't really want to, and who would be open to a broader experience of the game if they were to be given the right guidance, guidance which should come from the game itself.
tl;dr: Revamp the tutorial system to not steer new players directly into a life of shooting red crosses in empire. (although you can still do that if you want)
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7007
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Posted - 2012.01.28 02:37:00 -
[96] - Quote
ILikeMarkets wrote:Have 1 frigate from each race be immune to CONCORD intervention when the fight consists only of that type of frig.
So for minmatar, if the Rifter is chosen then all Rifter on Rifter combat will not invoke a CONCORD response of any kind. Anything else on the Rifter or Rifter on anything else will, however.
Might get highsec carebears hooked on PvP once they see what it's like... Might even get em to start scooting out towards lowsec. See, more carebears think of PvP they think of suicide ganking, can flipping, etc. Funny for the attacker and those around, but not fun for the person getting attacked. That's EVE, right? Except that player now has even less desire to ever get involved with PvP. But if this could act as a sort of intro to PvP for them, to show them what PvP is ACTUALLY like, they might get a little more interested.
This is sort of a "help push people out of highsec" thought, but with more carrot and less stick. I love any proposal that advocates Rifters. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
540
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Posted - 2012.01.28 03:46:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:I would like a complete mission revamp.
Reduce the overall number of rats, which increasing difficulty (and bounties) to match. This will achieve a few things. 1) reduce lag on medium to low end machines. 2) reduce salvage drops slightly, possibly increasing its value over time. 3) increase mission difficulty slightly (IMO).
Also adding some semi-randomness to missions. Its rather sad that almost every mission is 100% predictable. Some ways to do this: 1) non specific enemy type (done in one mission that I know off, one of my favorites). 2) enemy class and numbers not static. 3) enemies sometimes warp out (however, make it so that triggers and required ones don't do this so that the mission can still be completed).
A slightly smarter ai would help too. Its always hilarious, but ridiculous, when 5 BS aggro to my light drone and do that till they die.
Another idea is to make fleet orientated missions. Like a lvl 3 that would take a BS to solo, but could be done by 2 BCs as easily as a normal one (this is like the Blockade if you accidentally kill all the triggers first...). Having rewards slightly increased to compensate for increased difficulty.
So yeah, mission revamp is top on my list.
I guess mining too, but I only mine when I need a break from things... soothing sound of the strip miners. These all seem like positive suggestions, and you present a coherent explanation for why you want them. Would you mind if I referenced this post in the future? Go right ahead... it was just something I thought of while running missions this morning.
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Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
341
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:03:00 -
[98] - Quote
I would like little yellow "!" above stations that offer missions that i can get. I also would like happy trumpets to play when i turn in a mission. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.01.28 05:48:00 -
[99] - Quote
There is a good chance that a CCP dev will read these posts. That makes it worth posting. For the OP, I get the feeling that this is basically a way to diffuse some of the high sec hate towards 0.0, which might result in nerfing alliance income. I believe the poster is one of goons PR flaks. Either 1. we will one day see a column by the Mittani about how this was a long con or 2. Goons think their playstyle differs enough from other 0.0 entities that they can use the demands of the high sec community to justify nerfs to their rivals.
That said in case CCP is listening:
Can CCP please partner with Vistaprint so that players can get gear with their corp/alliance logos on it.
Incursions has shown that communities form around content that requires at least ten people and is challenging/complex enough to discourage duel boxing. High sec desperately needs more group content.
Players move to 0.0. Corps move to either WH or Low Sec. CCP needs to acknowledge that at this point getting a corp into a null alliance has become so expensive and difficult only an established null group can do it. People do not move to null as it would mean leaving their current corp community. CCP needs to start examining WH space and other areas as possible alternative end game content to Sov space.
Without Dec Shields it is possible to wardec a corp, be present only enough to make missioning/mining a bad idea but not enough to offer a real fight, and kill that corps participation numbers for the duration of the dec. Combine this with a permadec and griefing has a toxic effect on the player community of the corp. Wardec mechanics need a review and one requirement must be that the aggressing corp prosecute the war.
What most "industrialists" really want to be doing is building a few spaceships a week with a good margin (isk per hour is less relevant to this type of craftsman building. Also this form of craftsman builder wants to feel that they had a hand in designing the ship (that player skill matters). I would suggest a new type of faction cruiser/BC. Players would buy an "unfinished BPO" and then have to research a number of "build modules" for it base on certain constraints. Basically this is the T3 concept except with fixed subsystems installed into the blueprint and without the requirement that the end use of subsystem skills. Each ship of this class would take about a week to build and would need to be assembled on a planet using new PI structures. Components required would be minerals and PI gunk, but would not have any exotic components to bottleneck the process. The end result could be sold on contracts, likely for good margins and lousy isk per hour. |
Roosterton
Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
297
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:00:00 -
[100] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote:I can guarantee to bring them up and voice them with articulated arguments, though!
This is what I meant
@ The Goon Hate: Why do people associate Goons with hating highsec? Most of what they do is actually beneficial for highsec if you play it right. Take the gallente ice interdiction; a dumb miner will get ganked. A cowardly miner won't undock. And a smart miner will undock, take extreme caution to avoid getting ganked, and run a vast profit from the increased ice prices.
Someone might be a griefer who enjoys ruining everyone's day, but at the end of the day, they still play this game, and have every right to lobby to improve it by running for the CSM.
Also, assuming that *all* Goons are griefer assholes is prejudiced and stereotypical. Something Awful has 165,000 accounts, and since being an SA member is largely the only prerequisite to joining Goons, you get a massive variety of people in the alliance, ranging from griefers to "leet pvpers" to ratters, and hell, probably miners. (Don't quote me on that...) |
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Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:19:00 -
[101] - Quote
Roosterton wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:I can guarantee to bring them up and voice them with articulated arguments, though! This is what I meant @ The Goon Hate: Why do people associate Goons with hating highsec? Most of what they do is actually beneficial for highsec if you play it right. Take the gallente ice interdiction; a dumb miner will get ganked. A cowardly miner won't undock. And a smart miner will undock, take extreme caution to avoid getting ganked, and run a vast profit from the increased ice prices. Someone might be a griefer who enjoys ruining everyone's day, but at the end of the day, they still play this game, and have every right to lobby to improve it by running for the CSM. Also, assuming that *all* Goons are griefer assholes is prejudiced and stereotypical. Something Awful has 165,000 accounts, and since being an SA member is largely the only prerequisite to joining Goons, you get a massive variety of people in the alliance, ranging from griefers to "leet pvpers" to ratters, and hell, probably miners. (Don't quote me on that...)
Ever heard the expression "dont **** in own your back yard"? So you like high prices do you? Wait till it effects something other than Ice so that you can see it directly effects you.
Everyone with a liitle bit of game understanding knows what the Goons stand for, you'd at least expect their members are aware. So if as a Goon member you're supporting their interests it doesnt completley remove you from the responsibilities of their Masters actions does it?
So, If your going to co-operate with Hulkageddon at least be honest about attacking soft targets with a broken bounty system, its for the easy ISK. And the Goons have you in their pocket and will be largley laughing about it I expect.
(Also FYI: Something Awful dont just play EvE) |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7924
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:31:00 -
[102] - Quote
Roosterton wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:I can guarantee to bring them up and voice them with articulated arguments, though! This is what I meant @ The Goon Hate: Why do people associate Goons with hating highsec? Most of what they do is actually beneficial for highsec if you play it right. Take the gallente ice interdiction; a dumb miner will get ganked. A cowardly miner won't undock. And a smart miner will undock, take extreme caution to avoid getting ganked, and run a vast profit from the increased ice prices. Someone might be a griefer who enjoys ruining everyone's day, but at the end of the day, they still play this game, and have every right to lobby to improve it by running for the CSM. Also, assuming that *all* Goons are griefer assholes is prejudiced and stereotypical. Something Awful has 165,000 accounts, and since being an SA member is largely the only prerequisite to joining Goons, you get a massive variety of people in the alliance, ranging from griefers to "leet pvpers" to ratters, and hell, probably miners. (Don't quote me on that...) Thank you very much for being the Devil's Advocate, Roosterton! And yes, of course, I will present those issues. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7924
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:33:00 -
[103] - Quote
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Roosterton wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:I can guarantee to bring them up and voice them with articulated arguments, though! This is what I meant @ The Goon Hate: Why do people associate Goons with hating highsec? Most of what they do is actually beneficial for highsec if you play it right. Take the gallente ice interdiction; a dumb miner will get ganked. A cowardly miner won't undock. And a smart miner will undock, take extreme caution to avoid getting ganked, and run a vast profit from the increased ice prices. Someone might be a griefer who enjoys ruining everyone's day, but at the end of the day, they still play this game, and have every right to lobby to improve it by running for the CSM. Also, assuming that *all* Goons are griefer assholes is prejudiced and stereotypical. Something Awful has 165,000 accounts, and since being an SA member is largely the only prerequisite to joining Goons, you get a massive variety of people in the alliance, ranging from griefers to "leet pvpers" to ratters, and hell, probably miners. (Don't quote me on that...) Ever heard the expression "dont **** in own your back yard"? So you like high prices do you? Wait till it effects something other than Ice so that you can see it directly effects you. Everyone with a liitle bit of game understanding knows what the Goons stand for, you'd at least expect their members are aware. So if as a Goon member you're supporting their interests it doesnt completley remove you from the responsibilities of their Masters actions does it? So, If your going to co-operate with Hulkageddon at least be honest about attacking soft targets with a broken bounty system, its for the easy ISK. And the Goons have you in their pocket and will be largley laughing about it I expect. (Also FYI: Something Awful dont just play EvE) How is it that in the same post you admit that Something Awful is a diverse community and simultaneously stick to your guns that I must be some sort of evil griefer by virtue of my status as a Goon? Wonders will never cease. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:38:00 -
[104] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Roosterton wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:I can guarantee to bring them up and voice them with articulated arguments, though! This is what I meant @ The Goon Hate: Why do people associate Goons with hating highsec? Most of what they do is actually beneficial for highsec if you play it right. Take the gallente ice interdiction; a dumb miner will get ganked. A cowardly miner won't undock. And a smart miner will undock, take extreme caution to avoid getting ganked, and run a vast profit from the increased ice prices. Someone might be a griefer who enjoys ruining everyone's day, but at the end of the day, they still play this game, and have every right to lobby to improve it by running for the CSM. Also, assuming that *all* Goons are griefer assholes is prejudiced and stereotypical. Something Awful has 165,000 accounts, and since being an SA member is largely the only prerequisite to joining Goons, you get a massive variety of people in the alliance, ranging from griefers to "leet pvpers" to ratters, and hell, probably miners. (Don't quote me on that...) Ever heard the expression "dont **** in own your back yard"? So you like high prices do you? Wait till it effects something other than Ice so that you can see it directly effects you. Everyone with a liitle bit of game understanding knows what the Goons stand for, you'd at least expect their members are aware. So if as a Goon member you're supporting their interests it doesnt completley remove you from the responsibilities of their Masters actions does it? So, If your going to co-operate with Hulkageddon at least be honest about attacking soft targets with a broken bounty system, its for the easy ISK. And the Goons have you in their pocket and will be largley laughing about it I expect. (Also FYI: Something Awful dont just play EvE) How is it that in the same post you admit that Something Awful is a diverse community and simultaneously stick to your guns that I must be some sort of evil griefer by virtue of my status as a Goon? Wonders will never cease.
Are you having problems deciding which is the real world and which is EvE?
And accountability by association, not exactly rocket science is it? |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:40:00 -
[105] - Quote
EIther remove highsec alltogether OR make it proper highsec and allow ZERO PVP in it but remove missions and mining from it forcing people to move to lowsec/0.0 in order to make the profits people make in highsec now. In any case, it can't get worse. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7924
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:42:00 -
[106] - Quote
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote: Are you having problems deciding which is the real world and which is EvE?
And accountability by association, not exactly rocket science is it?
There is no positive way for me to address this concern you have, as we have already concluded. You are convinced that I must harbor malicious intention by virtue of me being a Goon, and there is nothing that I can say to dissuade you. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:47:00 -
[107] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote: Are you having problems deciding which is the real world and which is EvE?
And accountability by association, not exactly rocket science is it?
There is no positive way for me to address this concern you have, as we have already concluded. You are convinced that I must harbor malicious intention by virtue of me being a Goon, and there is nothing that I can say to dissuade you.
Your own endorsement of Hulkageddon in C&P ring any bells?
Lyris Nairn wrote:I am Sky Captain Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com, and I have interrupted my war on the Dread Pirate Captain Morgan Stanley Dean Witter Spiced Rum to approve this product. Burn them all. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8059
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:52:00 -
[108] - Quote
Do you have specific changes in mind that you would like advocated, such that would preclude Hulkageddon? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8059
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Posted - 2012.01.28 06:56:00 -
[109] - Quote
Shazzam VokanavomGÇö
If you have specific things to address, then please do so; otherwise, all you're doing at this point is trying to catch me somehow unaware of the things I have said in the past. I don't mind that you're bringing my posting history to the public scrutiny, but if you are going to do so then could you also stay on-topic? Whether or not anyone reading this thread votes for me in CSM7, the point of the thread is to serve as a consolidated list of specific suggestions and ideas for the game.
I hope you will not think me too bold to suggest that you at least frame your criticism in terms of that topic?
e: Alternately, I am totally cool with you just continuing to post and I will happily chat back and forth with you until one of us gets tired of responding to the other. I'm in this conversation for name recognition, to pad my post count, to kill time, to keep this thread on the first page of the forum list, and to entertain the suggestions put forth by people who feel like being constructive; coincidentally, going toe to toe with someone who's always got something to say helps me accomplish all of those goals. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:07:00 -
[110] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote:Shazzam VokanavomGÇö
If you have specific things to address, then please do so; otherwise, all you're doing at this point is trying to catch me somehow unaware of the things I have said in the past. I don't mind that you're bringing my posting history to the public scrutiny, but if you are going to do so then could you also stay on-topic? Whether or not anyone reading this thread votes for me in CSM7, the point of the thread is to serve as a consolidated list of specific suggestions and ideas for the game.
I hope you will not think me too bold to suggest that you at least frame your criticism in terms of that topic?
1) I dont want you representing me so pointless to answer with ideas how you can.
2) You don't own this forum.
3) Scared of debate? |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8065
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:17:00 -
[111] - Quote
1) Whether or not you want me to represent you, there exists the possibility that others may elect me into a position to do so despite your best efforts to guarantee that they do not. Would you not prefer, then, that I at least know your position on various issues in case of that eventuality? I see nothing for you to lose by complying with my polite request; and, even if I am not elected into a position to represent you, this thread may serve as a reference for whomever is elected to represent you. Is there some reason you are averse to that?
2) I sure don't!
3) Not at all; in fact, I am politely asking you to engage me in a reasoned debate rather than simply stamping your feet and being contrary towards me to no effect. Why not talk with me, calmly and coherently, and address me politely as I have done you? I am open to a rational discussion, and I am eager to hear your take on the issues just as much as I am eager to hear everyone else's opinions on them. Whether you like it or not, you are part of the constituency which I may soon be representing. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:24:00 -
[112] - Quote
Merely expressing objective points.
But if you want to throw your toys out the pram cause I might not agree, go for it if it makes you feel better. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8065
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:28:00 -
[113] - Quote
I'm going to continue asking you politely if you've any specific points that I can address for you in my capacity as a candidate for CSM7, no matter how many times you dodge the question in your replies. I am dedicated, motivated, and determined to get to the bottom of this! Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1016
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Posted - 2012.01.28 12:52:00 -
[114] - Quote
Umega wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Since you obviously have no clue about the issues and concerns of high security citizens, you ask for others to give that info along with ideas for high sec reform. I'm sorry but you're not the type of candidate I would want to represent my viewpoints. I could check all your past forum posting to get a good idea about your characters playstyle but quite frankly, just like others have said, I still wouldn't trust you even if all your posted replies were pro carebear.
Bottom line: I believe you're just a wolf in sheep clothing with a hidden agenda - to make sure the null sec alliance power blocks keep control of the CSM. Double standard. One could claim that a PvE highsec orientated CSM could be out there with a hidden agenda to nerf null/low, nerf all of PvP, or at the very least certain sigments of it. Who are they to attempt such a thing without strong knowledge of that area of EVE? Double standard where?
I don't see a high security citizen proclaiming they're gonna represent low/null sec issues and concerns regarding game mechanics and if they did, I wouldn't trust them either.
Point is the OP want's to get high sec citizens to elect her to CSM when she is clearly involved with maintaining control of the CSM by low/null sec power block alliance groups as well as being an advocator for non-consensual PvP. I stand by my original statement.
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Valei Khurelem
248
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:03:00 -
[115] - Quote
If CCP did regular polls and surveys asking people about their latest additions they would get much more useful and varied information than listening to CSM.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
147
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:39:00 -
[116] - Quote
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Ever heard the expression "dont **** in own your back yard"? So you like high prices do you? Wait till it effects something other than Ice so that you can see it directly effects you.
Everyone with a liitle bit of game understanding knows what the Goons stand for, you'd at least expect their members are aware. So if as a Goon member you're supporting their interests it doesnt completley remove you from the responsibilities of their Masters actions does it?
You are projecting your own subjective opinions of Goons on everybody, without even bothering to list your reasoning.
Quote:So, If your going to co-operate with Hulkageddon at least be honest about attacking soft targets with a broken bounty system, its for the easy ISK. And the Goons have you in their pocket and will be largley laughing about it I expect.
Yes, Hulkageddon will benefit Goons. Participating and executing actions that benefit you and your corp is the point of this game for most.
Ice Interdiction was one the smoothest game moves in EvE. It combined a massive, coordinated market manipulation with something new & competitive group action for their members.
Quote:If CCP did regular polls and surveys asking people about their latest additions they would get much more useful and varied information than listening to CSM.
They do. |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:49:00 -
[117] - Quote
Roime wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Ever heard the expression "dont **** in own your back yard"? So you like high prices do you? Wait till it effects something other than Ice so that you can see it directly effects you.
Everyone with a liitle bit of game understanding knows what the Goons stand for, you'd at least expect their members are aware. So if as a Goon member you're supporting their interests it doesnt completley remove you from the responsibilities of their Masters actions does it? You are projecting your own subjective opinions of Goons on everybody, without even bothering to list your reasoning.
This is classic, grasping at straws in the extreme.
....... its ok I've got my breath back now.
Havent you even seen the Hulkageddon poster with Mittens face on it? Or perhaps then confirm why Goons are responsible for it? Case and point and doubly so when you actually take two seconds to see what the subject is about, it does help when talking about something.
Or are you trying to explain that Goons are so inept they don't even know what their own organisation stands for?
Sorry I'm going to have to take a break on this one, just too funny. bbl |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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