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Ethino
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:49:00 -
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Just finished reading this article on evenews24 and i have to say that it's 100% true. Even if new players want to get into this game is pretty damn harsh to establish yourself into the game without pulling 1-2 plexes from the beginning.
[url]http://www.evenews24.com/2012/01/27/jesters-trek-strangled-in-the-crib/[/url] |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
315
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:52:00 -
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I like pepperoni pizza.
Fly Safe, Die Hard As stated by a fellow player, Mara Rinn, "EVE is not an internet spaceships game. It's a game of politics, subterfuge, capitalism, empire building and trust."-á
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
946
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:53:00 -
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why did I go to another site to read the same tearful **** people post here?
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Ethino
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:54:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:I like pepperoni pizza.
Keep forgetting that useless monkeys are still playing this game. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
1749
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:56:00 -
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Yet most of us managed to do it without buying PLEXes and many of us did it when getting ISKies was much harder than it is now and stuff was much more expensive. |
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
179
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:56:00 -
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Ethino wrote:Just finished reading this article on evenews24 and i have to say that it's 100% true. Even if new players want to get into this game is pretty damn harsh to establish yourself into the game without pulling 1-2 plexes from the beginning.
[url]http://www.evenews24.com/2012/01/27/jesters-trek-strangled-in-the-crib/[/url] No, new players do not need to buy isk to get established. They need SPs and knowledge. Buying plex early is a bad idea, as new player inevitably do something silly with it. The problem is people's lack of patience, and new players think they can simply throw a bigger ship with better guns at something and be successful, which is wrong. "Music is a mysterious thing. Sometimes itn++ makes people remember things they do not expect. Many thoughts, feelings, memories... things almost forgotten... Regardless of whether the listener desires to remember or not." - Citan Uzuki, Xenogears |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:57:00 -
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Ugh.... Just seriously, how pathetic can you be trolling a player that's just posting a fact? This is why I've blocked you people, you seem completely detached from reality.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
749
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:58:00 -
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in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets. |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:00:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets.
IT'S A GAME YOU MORON! WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO WORK HARD IN A GAME?!
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
371
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:02:00 -
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Ethino wrote:without pulling 1-2 plexes from the beginning.
wrong wrong wrong.
you don't need no such thing. what you need is a good guiding hand, and that, my friend, is worth a lot more than 2 plexes. teaching the ropes on new guys so that they are effective from day 0 in any ship is hard, yes, and is a job that requires quite the amount of patience, but is like that saying goes, "feed a man a fish and he will have food for a day, teach him how to fish..." [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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Ethino
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:03:00 -
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To a certain extent EvE is starting to be more like a chore game rather then doing something "FUN". And from a newcomer perspective yeah its hard to PROGRESS in this GAME when EvE is putting accent on SKILLPOINTS and ISK. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
832
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:03:00 -
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Working hard and spending lots of time in game don't always count as equals.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
309
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:04:00 -
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Fly rifters for first 6 months, have fun, join a corp that will help you...or cry endlessly about being poor. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
Valei Khurelem
239
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:05:00 -
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I'm really beginning to think that some EVE players seriously need a new outlet in life.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Cathy Drall
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
209
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:05:00 -
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Kilrayn wrote:No, new players do not need to buy isk to get established. They need SPs and knowledge. I'd say SP is EVE's only bottleneck. ISk isn't really very hard to get.
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
832
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:05:00 -
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I see a bigger problem in a noobs who expect that they can buy and fund their gaming with plex after a month.
Get |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
1749
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:06:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Obsidian Hawk wrote:in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets. IT'S A GAME YOU MORON! WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO WORK HARD IN A GAME?!
You don't have to work hard, but you'll have to settle for cheaper but still effective things to have fun in. If you want the biggest e-peen enlargement or the best equipment though, you'll going to have to work for it one way or another and that's how it should always be. If you want it all now without putting in that effort, I don't think MMOs are the right genre of games for you.
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Jenny Cameron
Ordo Eventus Inception Alliance
47
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:08:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets. Hard work, as in ....... ? Adding skills to your queue for a year or so .......... ? |
Ethino
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:09:00 -
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"I agree with the core points re:new players (but then new players have pay for the older players' subscriptions via PLEX) but the article discredits itself by over-exaggerating the problem.
Carriers are something that players start thinking about around the 40m SP mark in my experience, at that point they should have a pretty good grasp of ISK making opportunities (and incidentally the skill prerequisites for a triage carrier allow you to run incursions really well).
I have been in a variety of 0.0 alliances and not being able to afford losing a Vagabond every day has never been a problem.
That being said I have talked to some newer players recently who have trouble funding bcs without ship replacement programs - mostly because they are afraid of asking other people for help (so many CAs go unlooted/salvaged). " |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
909
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:09:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Obsidian Hawk wrote:in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets. IT'S A GAME YOU MORON! WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO WORK HARD IN A GAME?!
Perhaps he should have said some people want to skip directly (they think) to a more advanced level, other people prefer to experience their progression through the game completely.
I see no harm in it either way, especially since in EVE the noob who throws money at it to "get ahead" ends up instead providing more loot for everyone else. Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
371
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:09:00 -
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Ethino wrote:To a certain extent EvE is starting to be more like a chore game rather then doing something "FUN". And from a newcomer perspective yeah its hard to PROGRESS in this GAME when EvE is putting accent on SKILLPOINTS and ISK.
it depends really, it only becomes a true chore if you set your goal too high and you start working on it.
setting eyes on a far away goal isn't a bad thing, however. but having a set of intermediary goals in a well thought-out long term plan can make the experience much better.
that, and, as I said above, a good guiding hand. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Alara IonStorm
1498
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:11:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Obsidian Hawk wrote:in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets. IT'S A GAME YOU MORON! WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO WORK HARD IN A GAME?! Ask anyone who plays any sport professionally or semi professionally or on a team. Hell ask any Poker or Pool Player.
Some Games require dedication and time to get good at them. This is one of those games.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
266
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:12:00 -
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The problem Jester complains about, but is unable to articulate, is the presence of NPC corps.
NPC corps set the bar of highsec economic competition to a low that edges out accounting for the loss of ships thanks to perma-CONCORD protection. With no risk involved in calculating the rewards of PvE, ISK generation is balanced around everyone using a tengu instead of a drake, an Obelisk instead of an Iteron V, a Orca-buffed Hulk instead of a Procurer. The end losers in this state of affairs are newbies who can't afford or have the skills to pilot the new 'standard' PvE machine. They also eat the majority of grief because they're specifically targeted because of their inexperience with wardec evasion that the vets (who the griefers would rather gank) are so skilled at.
Ban NPC Corps. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
222
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:12:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Obsidian Hawk wrote:in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets. IT'S A GAME YOU MORON! WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO WORK HARD IN A GAME?!
The attraction of EVE is that we're not all special snowflakes. Some players are incredibly wealthy, some are very poor. Some players command alliances, some command their navy ravens.
To be clear, you should be able to enjoy EVE to some extent without 'working hard' but absolutely there should differentiation offered to those who put in the time and effort.
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Ioci
Space Mermaids
70
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:12:00 -
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Breaking in to any game that is 8 years old and thinking you will be a contendor is unrealistic. In terms of ISK, it won't do you much good. Sure you could meta 4 fit a firetail but unless that nooblet fit is going in the fittings chart and will be your default PvP ship then don't because you will lose it.
New players in EVE are cheap and in terms of thier value in a fleet, it's on par with a 6 year vet considering ships are all SP locked and niche blocked in what they can provide to the fleet anyway. If a noob or a vet thinks they will ever matter solo, that's just not going to ever end well. EVE is a blob game. You can like it, you can hate it, it doesn't matter. It is what it is. Noobs don't need to plan thier game assuming they will fight the likes of me in 1 vs 1 because it isn't going to happen. |
Valei Khurelem
239
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:12:00 -
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Quote: You don't have to work hard, but you'll have to settle for cheaper but still effective things to have fun in. If you want the biggest e-peen enlargement or the best equipment though, you'll going to have to work for it one way or another and that's how it should always be. If you want it all now without putting in that effort, I don't think MMOs are the right genre of games for you.
Sorry, but doing that kind of thing isn't a game at all and that's not what MMORPGs are about otherwise they aren't MMORPGs. What your basically telling me is the real life equivalent of telling someone to go inside and play around, do drawing whatever they like but in reality what you've just done is stuffed me in a warehouse with machines forcing me to build model spaceships to sell to children overseas while you take a huge percentage of the profits.
The fact is the people defending this kind of crap seem to have managed to convince themselves that doing this is actually fun which is why I don't blame people for wanting to use bots on these games at all, in fact I would say it would help the game hugely if you could legalise bots and let people develop them on their own as scripts because it would make the game much more fun.
Quote:To be clear, you should be able to enjoy EVE to some extent without 'working hard' but absolutely there should differentiation offered to those who put in the time and effort.
No, there shouldn't, because basically you're just saying "I want fun for everyone else but me and I don't give a **** about them even though they're paying for the subscription fees and CCP servers the same as everyone else" you are honestly just plainly stupid if you actually think that in a game of all things you should be rewarded for 'working' when it is supposed to be a pass time and something fun you do.
If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
909
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:21:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote: You don't have to work hard, but you'll have to settle for cheaper but still effective things to have fun in. If you want the biggest e-peen enlargement or the best equipment though, you'll going to have to work for it one way or another and that's how it should always be. If you want it all now without putting in that effort, I don't think MMOs are the right genre of games for you.
Sorry, but doing that kind of thing isn't a game at all and that's not what MMORPGs are about otherwise they aren't MMORPGs. What your basically telling me is the real life equivalent of telling someone to go inside and play around, do drawing whatever they like but in reality what you've just done is stuffed me in a warehouse with machines forcing me to build model spaceships to sell to children over sees while you take a huge percentage of the profits. The fact is the people defending this kind of crap seem to have managed to convince themselves that doing this is actually fun which is why I don't blame people for wanting to use bots on these games at all, in fact I would say it would help the game hugely if you could legalise bots and let people develop them on their own as scripts because it would make the game much more fun. Quote:To be clear, you should be able to enjoy EVE to some extent without 'working hard' but absolutely there should differentiation offered to those who put in the time and effort. No, there shouldn't, because basically you're just saying "I want fun for everyone else but me and I don't give a **** about them even though they're paying for the subscription fees and CCP servers the same as everyone else" you are honestly just plainly stupid if you actually think that in a game of all things you should be rewarded for 'working' when it is supposed to be a pass time and something fun you do. If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.
Whoa there.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with getting out of your game/hobby exactly what you put into it.
That applies to any type of competetive sport (professional football), game (professional chess or poker player), or hobby (collector of rare antiquities).
Some people will enjoy casual play, others will excel at it and advance to a highly competetive level.
There is nothing wrong with either one. Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
371
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:22:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote: You don't have to work hard, but you'll have to settle for cheaper but still effective things to have fun in. If you want the biggest e-peen enlargement or the best equipment though, you'll going to have to work for it one way or another and that's how it should always be. If you want it all now without putting in that effort, I don't think MMOs are the right genre of games for you.
Sorry, but doing that kind of thing isn't a game at all and that's not what MMORPGs are about otherwise they aren't MMORPGs. What your basically telling me is the real life equivalent of telling someone to go inside and play around, do drawing whatever they like but in reality what you've just done is stuffed me in a warehouse with machines forcing me to build model spaceships to sell to children overseas while you take a huge percentage of the profits. The fact is the people defending this kind of crap seem to have managed to convince themselves that doing this is actually fun which is why I don't blame people for wanting to use bots on these games at all, in fact I would say it would help the game hugely if you could legalise bots and let people develop them on their own as scripts because it would make the game much more fun. Quote:To be clear, you should be able to enjoy EVE to some extent without 'working hard' but absolutely there should differentiation offered to those who put in the time and effort. No, there shouldn't, because basically you're just saying "I want fun for everyone else but me and I don't give a **** about them even though they're paying for the subscription fees and CCP servers the same as everyone else" you are honestly just plainly stupid if you actually think that in a game of all things you should be rewarded for 'working' when it is supposed to be a pass time and something fun you do. If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.
ok let's think of this in another way:
EVE is an ultra-capitalistic game. the more investment (effort) you put in it the bigger the pay (fun). you're not a special snowflake and CCP isn't here to hold your hand. you're given the tools and you do whatever you want to do with them. that's how sandboxes are. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
309
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:25:00 -
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OK then you could go the other path. Spend thousands of real-life dollars on plex, buy titan character and titan. Spend untold hundreds of thousands on more plex, fund an entire alliance, and enjoy having everything. Nothing's stopping you from doing that either.
Quote:Sorry, but doing that kind of thing isn't a game at all and that's not what MMORPGs are about otherwise they aren't MMORPGs.
That's what this one is about. Pity you don't like it, but CCP isn't going to change it and lose all their core subscribers. I hear there are other games that aren't like it though, they probably have forums as well. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4578
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Posted - 2012.01.27 22:32:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Ugh.... Just seriously, how pathetic can you be trolling a player that's just posting a fact? This is why I've blocked you people, you seem completely detached from reality. What? Are people trolling Meryl SinGarda for some reason?
That's the about the only factual post made so far. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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