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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
200
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Posted - 2012.01.28 10:32:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:
Anyone who actually plays this game knows that the majority of the tools we're given for this sandbox either suck like exhumers, are completely imbalanced like tech 2's, are broken like public labs, or they have ridiculous timesinks on them like mission running.
The only thing that actually works properly in this game as it should is the star map and planetary management but don't go telling me that in planetary management I am supposed to wait three minutes before I can even transfer anything from the storage to anywhere else, that's just poor game design.
And yet here you still are , complaining and being an ass.And you call others morons because they don't mind a little grind.
Ironic. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.01.28 10:36:00 -
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Ethino wrote:"I agree with the core points re:new players (but then new players have pay for the older players' subscriptions via PLEX) but the article discredits itself by over-exaggerating the problem.
bolded the important part
new players selling PLEX for ISK is a pretty important contribution towards retaining veteran players
(and veteran players are a huge asset to the game because they give it a tangible history, they create the 3rd party websites & apps, they lead the fleets and alliances, ... and often they just aren't starry-eyed enough to pay RL money for "EVE Online - A Bad Game")
And like all good MT models it is not necessary to sell PLEX for ISK as a new player. I got into my first battlecruiser just fine (way before I had the proper skills to fly it) without selling GTCs (and back then tutorials didn't hand out ISK as they do today, the epic arc didn't even exist). It is just terribly convenient to sell 1-2 PLEX for ISK and get asap into a +4 clone, get away with losing ships without having to worry about cost, buy skillbooks whenever you feel like it, ... |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
200
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:02:00 -
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In the 'old days' you had no PLEX etc so you automatically had no other choice then to do what needed to be done.
Now if you want to compare old and new payers one thing that has not been mentioned yet is one of the biggest issues is the way people play and look at mmorpgs these days.Everything needs to be easy , everything needs to have as little grind as possible and for the love of god we all want to be max level or somewhere near ASAP.In the 'old days' you where glad you could play such a Massive online game , it was all new , all shiny and all great.This isn't a single player game wich you just launch and starts shooting the guns right away , this is an MMORPG.
So the question is , do the new player have no choice as they NEED to be on the same level as the vets or does the new type of mmorpg player not WANT to do just the same as we oldies had to do.
Yes you're not on the same lvl as a vet but you have a crapload of more tools and choices at hand then we did , have more starting skills etc.And don't tell me new players can't make isk because i know a handfull of people who started trading a year ago wtih only a few hundred mille and now can buy a few titans and moms for themselves if they wish.There still is enough isk to be made but you have to take the time for it and YES do some 'work'. |
Valei Khurelem
243
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:07:00 -
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Quote: And yet here you still are , complaining and being an ass.And you call others morons because they don't mind a little grind.
Ironic.
No, I call others morons because they seem to think that doing tedious, repetitive and poorly thought out tasks in a game is fun, the only irony here is that people like you run around convincing yourselves that all the time you spend grinding in EVE Online isn't completely worthless and if you spent the amount of time you did playing this game on something else not only would it be more fun but you'd have actually achieved something in life rather than just being forced to do another grinding session yet again as CCP release more content.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
274
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:18:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote: And yet here you still are , complaining and being an ass.And you call others morons because they don't mind a little grind.
Ironic.
No, I call others morons because they seem to think that doing tedious, repetitive and poorly thought out tasks in a game is fun, the only irony here is that people like you run around convincing yourselves that all the time you spend grinding in EVE Online isn't completely worthless and if you spent the amount of time you did playing this game on something else not only would it be more fun but you'd have actually achieved something in life rather than just being forced to do another grinding session yet again as CCP release more content.
Tedium is a matter of opinion.
Fun is subjective.
Football is repetitive in that it simply consists of a series of repetitive plays to move a ball down a field, yet many find it fun.
Thus eve is either fun or it isn't based on the person. If it's not fun then don't play it, if it is fun then play it.
Check and Mate. |
Valei Khurelem
246
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:20:00 -
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Not really no, mainly because when you have to do these actions, you have to do them for hours, upon hours, upon hours, upon hours in order to make any progress, in fact sometimes you have to even have to wait days or even months before you get to where you want to go in EVE and most people will actually paying money for this game so why should we have to just let our account run out because of crappy game design?
So no, it's not check and mate, it's pretty much, get a life and stop trying to force everyone else to go through the same bullshit you've gone through.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
289
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:21:00 -
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Ethino wrote:Just finished reading this article on evenews24 and i have to say that it's 100% true. Even if new players want to get into this game is pretty damn harsh to establish yourself into the game without pulling 1-2 plexes from the beginning.
[url]http://www.evenews24.com/2012/01/27/jesters-trek-strangled-in-the-crib/[/url]
It has never been easier to get started in Eve than now, it has never been easier to make isk at even low sp than now. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
63
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:25:00 -
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Ya know, PLEX haven't always been in the game. You young whipper snappers have it way to easy. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
289
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:29:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Ethino wrote:Just finished reading this article on evenews24 and i have to say that it's 100% true. Even if new players want to get into this game is pretty damn harsh to establish yourself into the game without pulling 1-2 plexes from the beginning.
[url]http://www.evenews24.com/2012/01/27/jesters-trek-strangled-in-the-crib/[/url] It has never been easier to get started in Eve than now, it has never been easier to make isk at even low sp than now.
I just read most of that article and its a bunch of crap tbh. If a low sp guy came ot me and said he wanted to join, seemed legit and carried himself well, then I would pay for his skill training, we would make sure he had ships, assist him in ratting for his own isk, replace the ships he loses via the srf, advise he starts slow and flies tackle to get used ot fleet mechanics. As he grows in corp we offer to buy him his capital skills, eventually he is skilled and because our rating space is easy isk he has already saved up teh billion isk he needs. Since most of the flies in fleet are covered under srf or very cheap saving is easy.
Or, you could go and join the forces of elite pvp and do all teh above alone and without help. Of course, being as we are part of the CFC though that pilot will have been fed so much propaganda and drivel about how the CFC scam and backstab he wont want to approach us, he will go and join our enemies, providing us with more targets, and when he loses his ships, well he can always go and rat in a drake until he can afford anew one right? Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
200
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:29:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Not really no, mainly because when you have to do these actions, you have to do them for hours, upon hours, upon hours, upon hours in order to make any progress, in fact sometimes you have to even have to wait days or even months before you get to where you want to go in EVE and most people will actually paying money for this game so why should we have to just let our account run out because of crappy game design? .
So yet again then why are you even playing this game , why are you wasting that oh so precious time of yours on this forum?
Anyone with half a decent brain can get the grind level down fast.Stop blaiming others with your kiddy loud mouthed attitude for your faillure at making easy isk.
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Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
274
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:35:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:get a life
"Get a life" used.
Argument invalidated. |
Julyan Fox
Fission Inc. Fusion Alliance
14
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:41:00 -
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The progression in EVE is pretty well balanced actually. True you don't make much ISKs when you just start the game. Simply because you don't know the ways to make more.
But I don't think miners need to wait for isks to get their next ship upgrades as soon as skills allows them, same for missioners.
Then once you know what the game has to offer... well trust me when I say a fresh new solo pilot in a t1 frigate can make 1+ billion isks a month just by logging 5-6 times for 5min a day. And it doesn't involve trading. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:42:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Ya know, PLEX haven't always been in the game. You young whipper snappers have it way to easy. secure GTC trades were introduced in 2007 iirc and trading GTCs for ISK had been going on long before that. |
Valei Khurelem
246
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:50:00 -
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Quote:So yet again then why are you even playing this game , why are you wasting that oh so precious time of yours on this forum?
It's very simple, I have this thing called money, I spent it on subscription, I have a legal right to complain if my product sucks so unless you're going to give me the 38.85 I paid because I know CCP won't then you can gtfo, that said I doubt someone like you would understand very much since apparently there are a ton of botters in 0.0 alliances who grind ISK for you so you can easily buy PLEX without having to pay for anything.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Pinaculus
Hole Busters
139
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Posted - 2012.01.28 12:01:00 -
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There are so many ways for a newish player to make ISK in this game that it hardly bears bringing up. I mean, there's a free guide called.. "ISK The Guide!"
And any corp that required that I already have 50m SPs and a few billion in ISK is wanting to be an "Elite" corp. There are other corps that welcome newer players, especially if that newbie has real PVP interest.
I think this is an example of Jester seeing everything through bittervet eyes. Like most writers, his material tells us more about him than it does about his subject. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Factor Fett
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:10:00 -
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Cryten Jones wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:Obsidian Hawk wrote:in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets. IT'S A GAME YOU MORON! WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO WORK HARD IN A GAME Because the challenge IS the game!!..... you moron ! Concise +1, Because THE CHALLENGE IS THE GAME! |
J Kunjeh
348
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:14:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote: And yet here you still are , complaining and being an ass.And you call others morons because they don't mind a little grind.
Ironic.
No, I call others morons because they seem to think that doing tedious, repetitive and poorly thought out tasks in a game is fun, the only irony here is that people like you run around convincing yourselves that all the time you spend grinding in EVE Online isn't completely worthless and if you spent the amount of time you did playing this game on something else not only would it be more fun but you'd have actually achieved something in life rather than just being forced to do another grinding session yet again as CCP release more content.
You do realize that the entire existence of ALL kinds of video games is predicated on doing the same pointless bullshit that you do in Eve? That no video game has any redeeming qualities and they're all a waste of precious time which cause you to waste your life doing something that won't help advance you or your fellow human beings in any way whatsoever....right? Ok, just wanted to make sure. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4590
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Posted - 2012.01.28 13:17:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:It's very simple, I have this thing called money, I spent it on subscription GǪand that just leads back to the question of GÇ£why?GÇ¥ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
947
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Posted - 2012.01.28 14:04:00 -
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Thread cleaned from off topic and inappropriate posts. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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foxnod
BOAE INC GIANTSBANE.
4
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Posted - 2012.01.28 14:37:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:So yet again then why are you even playing this game , why are you wasting that oh so precious time of yours on this forum? It's very simple, I have this thing called money, I spent it on subscription, I have a legal right to complain if my product sucks so unless you're going to give me the 38.85 I paid because I know CCP won't then you can gtfo, that said I doubt someone like you would understand very much since apparently there are a ton of botters in 0.0 alliances who grind ISK for you so you can easily buy PLEX with ISK without having to pay for anything. so yeah, I think I'll just stay here annoying you vets who think you're special just because of how long you've played the game.
Then vote with your wallet and don't let the door to your captain's cubicle hit you on the way out. |
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Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
306
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Posted - 2012.01.28 17:57:00 -
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I liked how it called PvE a horrible grind. It's only a grind if you don't want to put in the work. I'm going to hang out in F&I for awhile...less crazy there right now. |
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam Amarr Empire
97
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:17:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote: And yet here you still are , complaining and being an ass.And you call others morons because they don't mind a little grind.
Ironic.
No, I call others morons because they seem to think that doing tedious, repetitive and poorly thought out tasks in a game is fun, ... if you spent the amount of time you did playing this game on something else not only would it be more fun but you'd have actually achieved something in life rather than just being forced to do another grinding session yet again as CCP release more content.
Quote:It's very simple, I have this thing called money, I spent it on subscription, I have a legal right to complain if my product sucks so unless you're going to give me the 38.85 I paid because I know CCP won't then you can gtfo,
So let me get this straight... You call others morons for doing grinding sessions that, according to you, they're forced to do. When someone asks why you still pay for, in your opinion, such a terrible game that forces you to grind, you tell them to gtfo. Who's the moron?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.01.28 22:33:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Or, you could go and join the forces of elite pvp and do all teh above alone and without help. Of course, being as we are part of the CFC though that pilot will have been fed so much propaganda and drivel about how the CFC scam and backstab he wont want to approach us, he will go and join our enemies, providing us with more targets, and when he loses his ships, well he can always go and rat in a drake until he can afford anew one right? They might believe in the free rifters/thrashers, but definitely not in all the reimbursements. Blackbirds are definitely amazing to use since you can stop people from shooting their big guns at your friends.
Ratting is rather exciting in Dek, though. What with the gankers coming to make me into their next killmail(s). |
P42ALPHA
DEAD-ON
35
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Posted - 2012.01.28 23:11:00 -
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foxnod wrote:2bhammered wrote:foxnod wrote:2bhammered wrote:Obsidian Hawk wrote:in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets. I am a vet and I am bitter, I wish was I noob with a game offering me instant gratification, if only Yes, let's make eve just like the other 397,268 MMO's that do the instant gratification thingy. Oh wait; that would run off it's core customer base and they'd close the servers in 3 months tops. I have a better idea. All the whiney children go play one of the thousands of other games that cater to their ADD mentality. I agree with you, of course. I am just bitter because eve takes it to the extreme sometimes. Playing on a weekend for half a day to hopefully if lucky get into a pvp fight by zerging or getting blobbed gets old, back in 2006 pvp was better. Can't put my finger on why, but eve is a lot more boring today than back in the day. Perhaps it is because I am a bitter old vet, who knows, but even after +years break this game is still old and seem to head to worse places. Maybe it also makes it worse by the fact that my SP and other peoples SP is too much today. The gapis too great. Same with the ISK gap. All MMO's seem to suffer when they become old, or too old. Same with WoW and others. I would disagree about the SP issue. I just spent a 10 month stint in highsec. What I saw in there was new players asking about pvp/nullsec/lowsec and being told by the all the washouts that..... 1. You need 50mil SP to compete 2. That you'd be a slave to some RMT overlord 3. That it takes billions of ISK to compete in any form of PVP The washouts from null/lowsec are the ones who are causing these problems and they should've been run out of EVE years ago. We've brought in newer players into our alliance and they work fine. The number one thing in EVE is attitude. If you have a rotten attitude then you'll never go anywhere; if you have a good attitude you'll be able to get into 70% of corps alliances in your first year.
That is the first time I have seen someone put there fingure on the word that describes those kind of ppl. "Washout" very very suiting.
"All hail Wang ... the little fella in Command. When 'trouble' starts to spread, I'm sure he will rise to the occasion."
Azahni Vah'nos (Best reply ever) |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
201
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Posted - 2012.01.28 23:49:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Thread cleaned from off topic and inappropriate posts. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.
Because asking someone to be polite on the forums and not use offensive language while not using it yourself IS on fact inappropriate.
uhuh ... |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
103
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Posted - 2012.01.29 00:14:00 -
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Xearal wrote:Lol OP.
Seriously.. getting money in this game isn't all that hard. And while a new player can be a bit overwhelmed with things, if they join a good corp with people that will teach them the ropes, then things are fine. You do NOT need all of those fancy ships you're talking about.
A newbie in a rifter is a scary prospect if he knows what he's doing, especially if he has 20 veteran friends with him. A Drake will do level 4s just fine if you really want ot mission. A cane or drake works fine in incursions until you can afford a shinier ship for it.
Learning how to be self sufficient and make money in Eve is something that every player should learn early on. Finding somethign they like doing and makes money which pays for further advancements and projects they want to undertake.
As for 100M in 100 days.. that's bloody easy. I made my first billion in my first month, 6 months later, I had an income of several hundred million a month. Nowadays it's close to 2B and soon expanding upwards to 3-4B when my next project starts up.
I'd like to know how you did that. I get the feeling your projects don't involve you working a whole hell of a lot.
Related to that, and old Corpmate of mine used to say something along these lines, "Members in Corps are just members." "They need to pay taxes and fund the Corporation;" "You don't pay them for work, and they don't have rights." "How the hell do you expect to make any money?"
He was right in one respect; you can't make money running a corporation like that, but you can make money collecting taxes and buying products off your workers for next to nothing and reselling them. That was how he figured things should work. I disagreed of course, and still do. TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
230
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Posted - 2012.01.29 00:28:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Not really no, mainly because when you have to do these actions, you have to do them for hours, upon hours, upon hours, upon hours in order to make any progress, in fact sometimes you have to even have to wait days or even months before you get to where you want to go in EVE and most people will actually paying money for this game so why should we have to just let our account run out because of crappy game design?
As I posted above: balls.
I did some mining (because in the rookie chat they tell to do so) then I read the forums and learned about being smart.
If you are smart you don't need "hours upon hours upon hours" of anything because you do it right.
So my 50M I grinded in 2 months of mining became 1.2B in 1 month (May 2009) and now I have enough money I don't even need to play to make more. I made billions while being unsubbed from Aug to December, beat that! (bought stuff low before quitting, dumped in December high).
Oh, I was still unable to fit a T1 Rifter (I needed PDU etc) yet I was already in Dark Rising doing PvP. I jumped to 0.0 thru a Titan when I could barely fly a Rupture cruiser. Video about this available on Youtube.
YOU are your limit.
Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:So yet again then why are you even playing this game , why are you wasting that oh so precious time of yours on this forum? It's very simple, I have this thing called money, I spent it on subscription, I have a legal right to complain if my product sucks so unless you're going to give me the 38.85 I paid because I know CCP won't then you can gtfo, that said I doubt someone like you would understand very much since apparently there are a ton of botters in 0.0 alliances who grind ISK for you so you can easily buy PLEX with ISK without having to pay for anything. so yeah, I think I'll just stay here annoying you vets who think you're special just because of how long you've played the game.
Flakeys earn more money than you'll ever see in your dreams without any need for bots or anything. Learn the game.
Nyx in hi sec: http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7929/highsecnyxforsale.jpg |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
54
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Posted - 2012.01.29 00:36:00 -
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foxnod wrote:Is it just me or does it seem like there's more of an entitlement mentality since CCP got rid of the learning skills?
I think the entitlement mentality started creeping in as more players from other MMOs started playing. When I started reading the forums in 2007 I didn't see this level of entitlement and it wasn't here in 2009 when I finally subbed my trial. It's really become apparent to me over the last year or two as things like Incarna have attracted new players. perhaps not ones that will do well in the game either.
If you expect instant gratification in this game, I have news for you, it's not going to happen. Tough! |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
54
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Posted - 2012.01.29 02:06:00 -
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Weeble Tauri wrote:This is my first EVE character.
I have never bought a PLEX for ISK, and within 3 months I was funding this, and another character, by buying PLEX in game.
Did I do it wrong?
Top man, hope you're enjoying the game mate. |
Connaght Badasaz
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
26
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Posted - 2012.01.29 02:22:00 -
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J Kunjeh wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote: And yet here you still are , complaining and being an ass.And you call others morons because they don't mind a little grind.
Ironic.
No, I call others morons because they seem to think that doing tedious, repetitive and poorly thought out tasks in a game is fun, the only irony here is that people like you run around convincing yourselves that all the time you spend grinding in EVE Online isn't completely worthless and if you spent the amount of time you did playing this game on something else not only would it be more fun but you'd have actually achieved something in life rather than just being forced to do another grinding session yet again as CCP release more content. You do realize that the entire existence of ALL kinds of video games is predicated on doing the same pointless bullshit that you do in Eve? That no video game has any redeeming qualities and they're all a waste of precious time which cause you to waste your life doing something that won't help advance you or your fellow human beings in any way whatsoever....right? Ok, just wanted to make sure.
I have to agree, all these games have pointless bullshit. When the new and shiny wears off, you are doing the same thing. Some folks enjoy it, some not so much. |
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