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Eastaquoy Kid
Gallente Harray Hunters
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Posted - 2007.11.07 14:08:00 -
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I was doing a level III mission which was based in 0.4. I had completed two rooms and was breezing through the third when a human (and I use the word loosely) warped in, scrambled me and demanded 80 mill. I offered 20 so he said eject from the ship or I pod you. I thought sod this I am not giving him my Domi so I self destructed, I was down to 50% hull by now and a friend had joined him. I escaped with my pod and no kill mail was sent so I assume he did not get the kill or the ship, just the cargo and the slots. I know I should have warped out when he first appeared but was self destructing a blow to the pirate. I hope so.
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Frel
Gallente Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2007.11.07 14:14:00 -
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Screw that, sounds like he had you beat anyhow. Destruct, denies them what they really wanted. Your ransom. Which they prolly would not have honored anyhow.
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Saietor Blackgreen
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:27:00 -
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Purely roleplay dispute. Think of what your character would do in such situation, do it, have fun of it.
If we speak pure game terms, then you've chosen the most reliable way - you could pay ransom and still be destroyed after, thus losing even more.
Speaking in meta-game "honor" terms is totally irrelevant, because 1) its EVE and 2) its a game. You are supposed to be ruthless and competitive, just the same way as you dont spare the life of opponent's queen in chess for some kind of "respect for women" :)
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Eastaquoy Kid
Gallente Harray Hunters
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:32:00 -
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Thanks guys. I'll bail out fast the next time but I was going to make a bundle if I had finnished the mission. That's what you get for being greedy.
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Strife Phoenix
Acerbus Vindictum Nex Super Vos
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:37:00 -
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That I cannot understand.. The only thing you denied him was the killmail and tbh they aren't worth that much. I would have engaged him and at least try to put up a fight. If you are lucky and win then good for you, if not you had fun, he got a killmail but no money except the modules that he still got to pick up since you willingly left your wreck there.
Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia! |
L0st S0ul
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:55:00 -
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I had a storyline end mission to do 0.4 the other day, I scouted ahead with a condor and all was clear, changed to Drake and jumped in, only to find a corp on gate.
They gave chase for a few jumps but I lost them, had they caught me and demanded money I would have put up a fight and self destructed if they got better of me.
People keep telling me "Fly what you can afford to lose" -----------------------------------------------
Come on you apes, you wanna live forever?
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Frel
Gallente Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:59:00 -
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50% hull left is not the ideal time to be making decisions anyhow.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2007.11.07 16:04:00 -
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If they were "reputable" pirates (e.g. Veto), I might have paid the ransom. Otherwise, I would have tried my best to fight them. If you lose, you lose. It's only a ship. I would never self-destruct any ship. ------------
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Eastaquoy Kid
Gallente Harray Hunters
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:14:00 -
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I guess I just panicked. Never been in PVP before. Next time I'll fight back, wasn't worried about the Domi just mad about losing standing for failing the mission.Couldn't have paid the ransom anyway as I only had 50 mil
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Casaja DTir
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:45:00 -
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failing a mission? why fail it, they are good for a week. You might lose the extra bonus if its not complete in a set time frame but you can always go back to it after the guy logs off. IMHO dont ever quit a mission, you never know when it might just work out for you. like a corp mate can help in a day or something.
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Enve'la
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Casaja DTir failing a mission? why fail it, they are good for a week. You might lose the extra bonus if its not complete in a set time frame but you can always go back to it after the guy logs off. IMHO dont ever quit a mission, you never know when it might just work out for you. like a corp mate can help in a day or something.
That is all well and good unless it's a collect mission where you have already killed and/or lotted the spawn that drops the mission item. Once a mission objective is completed, the mission will not respawn. You could still get lucky and buy the mission item from the market though. |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.08 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Eastaquoy Kid I was doing a level III mission which was based in 0.4. I had completed two rooms and was breezing through the third when a human (and I use the word loosely) warped in, scrambled me and demanded 80 mill. I offered 20 so he said eject from the ship or I pod you. I thought sod this I am not giving him my Domi so I self destructed, I was down to 50% hull by now and a friend had joined him. I escaped with my pod and no kill mail was sent so I assume he did not get the kill or the ship, just the cargo and the slots. I know I should have warped out when he first appeared but was self destructing a blow to the pirate. I hope so.
Hard to say what I would have done but I would never have offered money. That kind of thing only encourages piracy much as paying a ransom encourages kidnapping. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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Destiny Calling
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.08 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: Destiny Calling on 08/11/2007 09:16:06
Originally by: Eastaquoy Kid I was doing a level III mission which was based in 0.4. I had completed two rooms and was breezing through the third when a human (and I use the word loosely) warped in, scrambled me and demanded 80 mill. I offered 20 so he said eject from the ship or I pod you. I thought sod this I am not giving him my Domi so I self destructed, I was down to 50% hull by now and a friend had joined him. I escaped with my pod and no kill mail was sent so I assume he did not get the kill or the ship, just the cargo and the slots. I know I should have warped out when he first appeared but was self destructing a blow to the pirate. I hope so.
What would your in game character persona do, would he fight to the end or eat humble pie.
If you don't play in character, and you really should then its a scale of economies.
By self destructing, your ship is vapourised, no modules survive, the attacker does not receive a killmail and I believe whatever insurance you have is void.
Now to an effective pirate, a ransom should be the first offer as thats were the money is.
If you refust the ransom, then he may kill you and take your loot.
By self destructing it is a blow to the both of you, you have lost your ship and he has lost his prize, less he has salvagers fitted like 'ittle pierats
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Eastaquoy Kid
Gallente Harray Hunters
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:56:00 -
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I did get the insurance so I don't think I lost anymore than had I fought and lost, except face, but he lost the kill mail and the ransom
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Eastaquoy Kid
Gallente Harray Hunters
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:00:00 -
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Oh! on another point. If the pirate had kill all the NPC in the room and it was the last room would I have got a mission complete as I had killed some before he appeared. If so I should have waited to see if I got a mission complete before turning the mission in. I was not in a position to complete with no ship at the time. never thought about letting the mission time out.
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Destiny Calling
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Eastaquoy Kid I did get the insurance so I don't think I lost anymore than had I fought and lost, except face, but he lost the kill mail and the ransom
I strongly disagree that you should receive insurance for self destructing your ship, same goes for some suiciding in highsec, but there both two different stories.
Anyhow, if you mission objection was for all those NPC's to be killed, then it doesnt matter who kills them, as long as there all dead you can complete the mission.
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b0ing
Sequential Digits
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue ...I would never have offered money. That kind of thing only encourages piracy much as paying a ransom encourages kidnapping.
...you are wrong. Here is why:
Whether you give them ISK or they just kill you, they will still be PVPers. You can't not pay someone and expect them to, as a result, say "PVP sucks. Let's mine veldspar in empire."
So by not paying you teach them that no one accepts ransoms and it is a waste of time. So they just blow you up.
Do you want pvpers flying around insta ganking you, or would you like them to web you, scramble you, jam you, get you to 50% hull, then take far less ISK from you than what you'd lose if they destroyed you? (Not to mention the time it would take you to get a new ship).
PVPers with ransoming (mercy) in mind are a much easy to swallow thing (and cooler) than PVPers with instaganking in mind.
So PAY THE RANSOM unless you have reason to beleive they are not going to honor it.
Also.....
Did you actually see them in your mission and not warp out when you had time to? If so, that was 100% something you'd know was a wrong move to make if you were more experienced with EVE. Maybe I misunderstood you there.
Concerning the rest, what you did (assuming you could not have killed them) was perfect! By self destrucing your ship not only do you deny them the killmail, but also ALL of your EQUIPED MODULES AND CARGO are 100% destoryed. They get nothing at all, unless they can salvage your wreck. Also, you still get full insurance.
So it's not just a roleplay choice. If you KNOW you cant make it, but you also have 2 minutes to wait for the self destruct timer, do it! (Unless you know you cna pay the reasonably priced ransom and they will let you go)
BTW.. you can cancle self destruct, so there is nothnig wrong with turning it on if you know you are trapped. Just make sure you quickly explain to your attackers that you want to pay the ransom and yuour self destruct is enabled but you are not trying to stall for time to pay no ransom AND deny them their kill. You have to be quick, and use diplomacy etc.
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