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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group PURGE.
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Posted - 2007.11.08 08:42:00 -
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Heres the situation,
Player A goes to a popular site and buys 10x GTC's to sell. He then goes on the EvE-O forums and finds a buyer. He agrees to sell all 10 for 3.5 billion. He uses the secure payment method. Two weeks later he has the 3.5 billion removed from the account. A GM said the ISK used to buy his timecards was bought.
Theres no way this is right! Can anyone give any feedback!?? GMs/Devs feel free to comment!
<3 Treb
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group PURGE.
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Posted - 2007.11.08 08:43:00 -
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**Additions:
It's all 100% logged and legetimate with EvE Secure GTC Payment Method.
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Ess Erbe
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.08 08:45:00 -
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Petition it, escalate, escalate, escalate. Have a *very* well thought out and written petition.
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Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.08 08:45:00 -
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Actually it's like buying a 2-nd hand car and finding out that car was stolen and the seller had ran away. Sucks, but it's life. Want to be safe, earn you ISK in game, without GTC shortcuts...
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.08 08:46:00 -
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Petition it and eventually escalate.
CCP standard procedure is to first seize the brought isk (even if passed to ainnocent third party) then if the third party is found not guilty return them.
As you used the secure trade method you should have no problems.
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Empire marketslave
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Posted - 2007.11.08 08:47:00 -
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after reading several threads like there there is always somethig that is left out.
the GM dont just willy nilly take isk out of someones account unless they have a suffient reason. or maybe even a suspious transaction.
do you buy something "too good to be true'
but if this is true you should get your time codes back to resell to restore order back to the economy of eve
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.11.08 08:50:00 -
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Did you sell to people with gold-farmer names? :/
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Jeanne Bart
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Posted - 2007.11.08 08:53:00 -
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What always concerns me here is the prospect of double dipping.
Have CCP taken 3.5 bill from you *and* the buyer?
And unlike with the car analogy, the GMs have the ability to return the GTCs to the seller by cancelling the old codes and issuing new ones to you.
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group PURGE.
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Posted - 2007.11.08 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: Trebor Notlimah on 08/11/2007 08:55:25
Originally by: CCP kieron The player this happened to needs to submit a petition to the GM team with a request for a review. The forums are not the proper venue for this matter.
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Theres a flaw in the system CCP runs and people should know about it. You claim your GTC trading method is 'safe and 100% secure.' After three weeks or petitions, my pilot finally got his ISK back, well kinda. A GM did not refund 700M of the 3.5 Billion ISK that was taken from him. The GM explained that there was no 'server log' showing the transaction. I've seen the screenshots of the transactions and it's bullcrap. Now the pilot was grateful to get his ISK back but he was still 700M in the hole. He's real soft-spoken so he dropped some MORE CASH TO BUY MORE GTC's to get him back to even. In short, you screwed one of my favorite people and my best pilot out of three weeks of gametime & 700 Million ISK that he paid for with CASH.
CCP & Secure GTC Trading FTL
<3 Treb
edit: my math skills ftl too...
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Darth Nerf
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Posted - 2007.11.08 08:53:00 -
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To the OP: I'm curious, were the GTC's 30d or 90d ones? If they were 30d ones you agreed to sell them for 350m a pop. That's 100m more than the max price I have seen. Perhaps your reason right there, and props to CCP for monitoring GTC-transactions I say. Otherwise I could just offer a 30d GTC to a isk farmer for 1.2bill.....
Originally by: Li Flying Everyone, I was only 220 million ISK If your card 220 million to sell my words
3 I ~ Thank you all to the
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group PURGE.
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Posted - 2007.11.08 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Nerf To the OP: I'm curious, were the GTC's 30d or 90d ones? If they were 30d ones you agreed to sell them for 350m a pop. That's 100m more than the max price I have seen. Perhaps your reason right there, and props to CCP for monitoring GTC-transactions I say. Otherwise I could just offer a 30d GTC to a isk farmer for 1.2bill.....
I believe they were 10x 90 Day GTC's sold in bulk for 350M each. He cut the guy a deal since he was buying all 10 at one time.
<3 Treb
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Presidente Gallente
Pirate Hunters Inc Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.11.08 09:02:00 -
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Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 08/11/2007 09:03:38
Originally by: Trebor Notlimah Heres the situation,
Player A goes to a popular site and buys 10x GTC's to sell. He then goes on the EvE-O forums and finds a buyer. He agrees to sell all 10 for 3.5 billion. He uses the secure payment method. Two weeks later he has the 3.5 billion removed from the account. A GM said the ISK used to buy his timecards was bought.
Theres no way this is right! Can anyone give any feedback!?? GMs/Devs feel free to comment!
<3 Treb
Is that just theory or what actually happened?
I can't imagine that CCP will take ISK from a legal GTC selling away from BOTH accounts.
The system of selling GTC is profit for CCP. I would not wonder if special CCP +GTC½ staff is bying for ISK to keep that side-business going on. If they remove the ISK for a legal GTC deal by their own system than this is a case for a lawyer. Because 10 30d GTC are round about EUR 100,00 which is a lot of rl money for 2.2 Billion ISK at the end. If CCP really punish the legal ISK buyer by their own created GTC system then this is wrong and the whole system is crap because noone will buy GTC at the end anymore.
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Malarki X
Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.08 09:30:00 -
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I belive it was a burocratic error - some guy in CCP saw 3,5 bil transfer and started screaming bloody murder. Removing ISK from legitimate seller because person that bought it was indeed a Chinese farmer.
Well - what the hell are we suppose to do when selling GTCs ? Ask for theire personal photos of them with familly, ID card, piece of paper stating they are not Chinese farmers together with that days news papers?!?
I would suggest next time CCP get theire fact straight or ban farmers on sight.
As far as weird names go, what if my toon was: Marko Marulić - famous Croatian writer. However Im sure that a strange name for someone ...
Its not our job to decide who is farming and who is not. Let CCP handle that. I will sell my GTCs to whoever convos me first.
As far as the subject of GTC selling vs farming goes - game mechanics is here and some of us use it. I have IRL money, someone has in game money, we both want to exchange and we do this via CCP laws wich clearly state GTC selling can occur. You cant afford to sell GTC-s ? BooHoo, not my problem.
In no way can this be sellers fault. If he was indeed using secure method - he or she did NOTHING wrong. CCP burocrat siting in his chair, not realy caring about anything and cursing his dull burocratic life ( Im a burocrat so ... yeah I know its a pain ^^ )just clicks - take away ISK, , ISK buyer ...
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.11.08 09:37:00 -
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As far as weird names go, what if my toon was: Marko Marulić - famous Croatian writer. However Im sure that a strange name for someone ...
That's a name and not dgdghsdjhsdfhdf and/or word salad designed to look like a name.
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NoNah
Unseen University
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Posted - 2007.11.08 09:41:00 -
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In my eyes, get him to post here, with the story and with the details. Right now, it's barely hearsay.
My point is, believe it or not, but my trust in the GM's is slightly more than a random post from a guy on the forums who's got a friend who claims to buy isk through a legal version but not an illegal. And you don't even have all the details but are forced to guesstimates at points.
No offense, but these kind of posts come in bundles, I've yet to hear cases of GM's failing this hard, every single time it's been a mistake on the players side or simply withheld relevant information. I'm not saying they don't do mistakes, but they rarely do severe ones and are even more rarely incapable of resverting what they did wrong if they did.
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Malarki X
Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.08 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: SoftRevolution
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As far as weird names go, what if my toon was: Marko Marulić - famous Croatian writer. However Im sure that a strange name for someone ...
That's a name and not dgdghsdjhsdfhdf and/or word salad designed to look like a name.
Still - if you sell it legitimatley, its not youre fault his an ISK farmer.
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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:05:00 -
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Hi Trebor,
Thank you for allowing me to comment.
I will eat my hat if your friend used the official secure ETC trading system.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova I will eat my hat if your friend used the official secure ETC trading system.
Nelson voice: "Ha-Ha!"
Pwnd. Don't get burnd when using illegial ways - or if you are stupid enought to GET burnd, don't come and whine it off the whorums!
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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Darth Nerf
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova Hi Trebor,
Thank you for allowing me to comment.
I will eat my hat if your friend used the official secure ETC trading system.
Hi Nova! Is it safe for me to sell a 30d GTC for 1.2 bill using the official secure ETC trading system?
Originally by: Li Flying Everyone, I was only 220 million ISK If your card 220 million to sell my words
3 I ~ Thank you all to the
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Wanna Kill
Caldari Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Notlimah Edited by: Trebor Notlimah on 08/11/2007 08:55:25
Originally by: CCP kieron The player this happened to needs to submit a petition to the GM team with a request for a review. The forums are not the proper venue for this matter.
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Theres a flaw in the system CCP runs and people should know about it. You claim your GTC trading method is 'safe and 100% secure.' After three weeks or petitions, my pilot finally got his ISK back, well kinda. A GM did not refund 700M of the 3.5 Billion ISK that was taken from him. The GM explained that there was no 'server log' showing the transaction. I've seen the screenshots of the transactions and it's bullcrap. Now the pilot was grateful to get his ISK back but he was still 700M in the hole. He's real soft-spoken so he dropped some MORE CASH TO BUY MORE GTC's to get him back to even. In short, you screwed one of my favorite people and my best pilot out of three weeks of gametime & 700 Million ISK that he paid for with CASH.
CCP & Secure GTC Trading FTL
<3 Treb
edit: my math skills ftl too...
I find it sad that you are speaking for him, please, get him here so we can get the actual story. Your personal vendetta against CCP doesn't really add to your credability :popcorn: ----------
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.08 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Notlimah I believe they were 10x 90 Day GTC's sold in bulk for 350M each. He cut the guy a deal since he was buying all 10 at one time.
<3 Treb
If he sold to one person who spammed his post with
1x dsfke 1x ryighkg 1x reiotuhdfhg 1x sdfiojheh
etc...
Then I don't really feel bad for him. Seller beware as well as buyer, I say. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets. |
Kayna Eelai
Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.08 12:55:00 -
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i am kinda displeased reading such posts over and over and over.
if this continues... what will be next? some guy buys ISK on ebay, he buys loads of minerals and builds capital ships. i spend loads of money on those ships and somedays i log in, they are all gone and i get a note of: "they were build with ebay isk, so we had to remove em from game"
CCPs arguments are bull****. if they want to remove ebay ISK from game, fine, but at the same moment give back what those ISK where used for.
in this case: if they remove 3.5B isk from some1 who sold GTC, before even removing the ISK, give him back the GTC.
this is like 3rd world phone companies. they charge you triple and say nothing. maybe u wont even complain and they make benfit. and if you complain, they make you go to a bureaucratic hell, so maybe you even give up before you get your money back.
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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.11.08 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai i am kinda displeased reading such posts over and over and over.
if this continues... what will be next? some guy buys ISK on ebay, he buys loads of minerals and builds capital ships. i spend loads of money on those ships and somedays i log in, they are all gone and i get a note of: "they were build with ebay isk, so we had to remove em from game"
What on Earth are you talking about? Where do you hear this nonsense? This has never happened and will never happen. The rest of your post is based on this silly statement and falls apart.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.08 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova
Originally by: Kayna Eelai i am kinda displeased reading such posts over and over and over.
if this continues... what will be next? some guy buys ISK on ebay, he buys loads of minerals and builds capital ships. i spend loads of money on those ships and somedays i log in, they are all gone and i get a note of: "they were build with ebay isk, so we had to remove em from game"
What on Earth are you talking about? Where do you hear this nonsense? This has never happened and will never happen. The rest of your post is based on this silly statement and falls apart.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.08 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai
Removed. Please be cordial to a GM at all times - Valorem
then tell the GMS to be cordial in first place... and to learn2read.
GMS are not jesus, they are not allknowing and they can mess up stuff more times than they should.
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.11.08 13:21:00 -
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Good to see Nova coming here to tell it how it is. People are posting so much heresay about the ISK transfers at the moment it's getting silly.
If your mate used the approved method, of course the ISK won't be taken away. There's always the "yeah, erm, but I thought it was ok to do it that way" or something that we don't get told by the OP.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.11.08 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Malarki X
Originally by: SoftRevolution
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As far as weird names go, what if my toon was: Marko Marulić - famous Croatian writer. However Im sure that a strange name for someone ...
That's a name and not dgdghsdjhsdfhdf and/or word salad designed to look like a name.
Still - if you sell it legitimatley, its not youre fault his an ISK farmer.
It is your fault because you're obviously helping a money laundering operation :/ Not saying that's what happened here, but if you know you're selling to a farmer then you should really see this one coming.
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Carlise Aragon
The Eve Killboard Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.08 13:40:00 -
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it sucks when this kind of stuff happens but sadly its the nature of the game
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Khanox
0utlaws
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Posted - 2007.11.08 13:45:00 -
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Why would someone buy isk illegally then use that isk to buy time cards?
Am I missing something?
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.08 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Khanox Why would someone buy isk illegally then use that isk to buy time cards?
Am I missing something?
because he could then trade those time cards for LEGIT isk?
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