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ardik
TunkbwahCorp
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ithur'Iul Yes damn Goonies are destroying the game, CCP should ban them all TBQH, furthermore
Actually i think it would be the best for everyone if CCP put a waiver of some sort on the application to goonswarm that by joining the corp then your forum account on eve-o would not allow you to post in caod.
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Shakuul
Caldari O RLY corp YTMND.
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Why would society have to cave in to obnoxious, annoying, loudmouth ******s who have no respect for other's property or play/lifestyle while due to peer presure feel somewhat uber and speshul? It's like living near a footbal stadium and having your house wrecked every weekend due to the hooligans... "hey, you don't HAVE to live there!"
The "this is just a game" thing doesn't fly, you're still dealing with people. There is a difference between being killed (this is a pvp game afterall) and being bombarded with utter annoying circlejerking crap.
Unfortunately for you, CCP won't ban people because they irritate you personally. They ban people for breaking the rules, not for bothering you. You can be very obnoxious before you break any rule.
All of the real world analogies don't work. This is the internet, not where you live, not some alley you have to walk down to get wherever, not the mall. You pick and choose the threads you read, and you can skip the spam filled ones with zero effort.
I think Dark Shikari or someone posted a forums tool that lets you ignore players (so their posts don't appear). If you are really so irritated, surely you would be willing to put forth minimal effort and use this tool to block them.
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Estephania
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:14:00 -
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I don't think Eve forums ever witnessed industrial amounts of trash being thrown around before Goons joined the game. Since their conflict with BoB started they decided to fight also on forums. They filled COAD with tons of useless spam, myriad smart-*** one-liners moronic pictures and other nonsense, imported straight from the murky pits of SA forums. They've spammed CCP with threadnoughts about things that prevented them from outblobbing the enemy, they've threatened to thrash CCP reputation on independent gaming forums if CCP won't give in to their blackmail attempts.
That is the new power of Eve, they think they are better than BoB, they tell us they are a breeze of fresh air into the game. To me it looks like the wind from local sewer pits. I'm surprised accounts were not perma-band for all the mess they created on forums. Now they complain about biased moderation, while in the past ppl were banned for much lesser things.
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Torco
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:16:00 -
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let's just all ally up and declare war to the goons and kill em fast.
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Raem Civrie
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Raem Civrie on 14/11/2007 12:23:44
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Keep using the cool words like pubbies, poast, moar, furthermore and every "omg bandwagon new word so we can all be cool and laugh at others for not using it" stuff, it makes you special.
I'm not a BOB alt and as stated earlier; I don't give a rats a$$ about either BOB nor Goons. The way BOB acted in the past towards others was obnoxious, annoying and to be perfectly honest disgraceful, and that includes the character assasinations. Yes this is a PVP game with no limitations, yes you can use every means neccesary but there's still some lines one shouldn't cross.
And while I understand that Goons are the accumulated and somewhat focussed anger towards BOB in general and their past behaviour and that it makes it easy for a lot of EVE players to use an alt to fulfill their agendas I'm not quite sure that the cure is better than the illness.
personally, I'd rather much see both the illness as the cure fall into a black hole and never be seen again.
You seem to be taking this very personally. Did a goon kill your hamster or something? Also, good job on criticizing me for using shared mannerisms. It complemented your point perfectly.
So you're angry, fine. Whatever. It doesn't make you right to the exclusion of everything else. Many goons are annoying gits (esp. hippo), but there's alot of cool people as well (like Vando). I sense alot of negative energy about you that you need to take care of. I recommend herbal tea and some positive energy crystals. ---- All roads lead to Catch |
000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:22:00 -
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I know goon members that are jerks.
I know BoB members that are jerks.
I know goon members that are great.
I know BoB members that are great.
Please note that what u read on these forums is but a small percentage of the playerbase. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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Sarah McTeef
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
I know goon members that are great. I know BoB members that are great.
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Dramaan
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:27:00 -
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op your post get -100 of 10. If you want to alliance like goonswarm to go away you have to bore them to death don't give them targets or reply to post they are writing on the forums but this not gonna happen it will always be target for a goon and they always will find a target to destroy or pick on maybe 1 of target is you or me who knows who next they will simply go where is funnest place to be.
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr The Wild Hunt
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:29:00 -
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You're evading the point and try to look cool while doing it. I'm not angry as such, I don't care who "killed my hamster" as this is afterall a PVP game. While there was a driving force behind it you don't see me saying anything negative about my previous adversaries like RAZOR and friends.
It's very simple; loudmouthing, annoying people who feel they can do whatever the hell they want regardles of the effect on others (or rather purposely being of destructive nature) annoy me, both IRL as anywhere else. Whatever the reason, whatever the justification they might feel there is for it.
You're not dumb Raem, you know exactly what I mean. Understand though that I do not at all agree with the OP, but that doesn't mean I'm ok with how one of the most vocal entity in EVE acts and behaves on the public forums.
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Rauxes
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:37:00 -
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something awful, blah blah blah, here on eve, umm forums, something awful, blah... snide, quip, something awful, eve, blah blah, forum community, something awful, blah blah blah, quip, enter concensus quip, something awful, blah, rabble, internet, forum, blah blah, bee, neckbeard, poast, fat, blah blah
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Raem Civrie
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Zhada You're evading the point and try to look cool while doing it. [...] You're not dumb Raem, you know exactly what I mean. Understand though that I do not at all agree with the OP, but that doesn't mean I'm ok with how one of the most vocal entity in EVE acts and behaves on the public forums.
You're still making the mistake of assuming a complete central management, and a social design. What you're seeing here is what happens when alliances *don't* limit their member's posting.
I wasn't even aware you ever fought goons, nor did I care. You just seemed to take it so very personal, like if some goon had literally burglarized your home - replete with ninja costume and a hacksaw - went into whatever room contained the hamster cage and gutted the creature in a grisly animal pantomime of Jeffrey Dahmer's exploits before leaving a basket full of hair products and deodorant.
Basically, you make it very hard to respect your position because of how extreme you present it. Try calming down, thinking it through, then criticizing. ---- All roads lead to Catch |
Dramaan
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Dramaan on 14/11/2007 12:45:27
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada You're evading the point and try to look cool while doing it. [...] You're not dumb Raem, you know exactly what I mean. Understand though that I do not at all agree with the OP, but that doesn't mean I'm ok with how one of the most vocal entity in EVE acts and behaves on the public forums.
You're still making the mistake of assuming a complete central management, and a social design. What you're seeing here is what happens when alliances *don't* limit their member's posting.
I wasn't even aware you ever fought goons, nor did I care. You just seemed to take it so very personal, like if some goon had literally burglarized your home - replete with ninja costume and a hacksaw - went into whatever room contained the hamster cage and gutted the creature in a grisly animal pantomime of Jeffrey Dahmer's exploits before leaving a basket full of hair products and deodorant.
Basically, you make it very hard to respect your position because of how extreme you present it. Try calming down, thinking it through, then criticizing.
I agree let them post on the forum what they want this is what you guys are about. To have fun is your goal right to have fun expense of others. Hope newer gona put leach on your posters that who'd be awful.
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Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 14/11/2007 12:51:20 maybe thats the answer then...just boycott their threads and ignore them..
on another note maybe its because they are so big with 5000+ members, and very much involved in the game that its not actually spam just the sheer numbers posting..
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Xaroth Brook
Minmatar Doomcraft Mech Ops Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 14/11/2007 10:54:37
Originally by: Barbaro55a Yawn, be a big boy and don't take it personaly. You may not liek Goon, but i'm fairly sure some people wont like you either.
If you don't like reading goon thread then stop, their not forcing you.
It's like 35 zitted youngsters sitting outside the mall, shouting profanities and crap at anyone passing. So you pass by and you get 'greeted' with tons of idiotic remarks, plastic cups thrown at you and whatnot, but HEY: don't take it personal, it's not like you HAVE to listen to them, or HAVE to walk down that alley...
people invented baseball bats for those kind of people....
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:57:00 -
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Thing is if the goons spent as much effort and time fighting as they do posting crap the war would have been over months ago.
Originally by: MOTOK0 A bit like the second coming of jesus only with screaming and tears and whine threads.
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr The Wild Hunt
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Posted - 2007.11.14 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 14/11/2007 13:04:26
Originally by: Raem Civrie You're still making the mistake of assuming a complete central management, and a social design.
When someone else would post that it would be ok, but coming from you it's midly amusing :)
I'm not ranting nor frothing at the mouth (although looking at my post I agree it might seem that way), I just can't stand the type of behaviour and disregard of other people the vocal part of the Goons show on the forums, nor the dumbed down "hahaha lulz fofofo". Just as I can't stand crap talking/acting morons IRL where WILL act/voice my opinion on it.
The basic thing is that both BOB, goons and all their alt corps, alt spies, your spies, all the hidden agendas and all the controlling crap **** me off while I try to play a GAME. I understand that to a point it's all part of said game but it controls and affects just about everyone and they all act on it be it consciously or not.
For a new player who wants to venture out into the game there's no way of escaping this crap. As I stated a while ago; it really feels as just about every somewhat important/large corp is infested with 30% bob alts and 30% goons alts (although they are effectively controlled by someone else) in controlling positions while the remaining 40% doesn't have a frickin clue what's going on and simply tries to play the game, while they're being used and milked.
But that's a somewhat different story alltogether, simply put; I don't like how the majority of the goons behave on the open PUBLIC forums, saying "hey, that's what happens when you give them that freedom" doesn't change anything :)
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Dramaan
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Posted - 2007.11.14 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 14/11/2007 12:51:20 maybe thats the answer then...just boycott their threads and ignore them..
on another note maybe its because they are so big with 5000+ members, and very much involved in the game that its not actually spam just the sheer numbers posting..
They have there own forums and so they use so no is not that they are not so good to organize there members but if they want to have fun whit and play around of lot the members they recruiting have to be on the forums for while and they some times scam meberes or even pod them only to have fun and that what they are looking for in eve to have fun is this way they show us the humor they have.
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.11.15 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 15/11/2007 15:30:04
Originally by: Shakuul Unfortunately for you, CCP won't ban people because they irritate you personally. They ban people for breaking the rules, not for bothering you. You can be very obnoxious before you break any rule
what about racism and anti-semitism? goons spread their message of race hate all over the place and it doesnt take alot of searching to turn up evidence of it in the form of forum posts,screenshots,recordings of their directors speaking and ill wager that anybody that has ever fought goons has killed a ship named with the impolite version of negro only recently on caod it seems to be vietnamese that were the target of their jokes and CCP appears to do nothing about it more than deleting posts
i agree with the op its time bans started gettign handed out and based on ip/account details not just on the character involved CCPs lack of action on this issue is a clear message that they condone this obnoxious behavour
i would suggest to the op (or anybody else) that of you are truely offended by any of this and you feel that goons are spoiling your game then tell people about it,spread it around that this group of people promoting their vile veiws in a game called EVE and that CCP are doing nothing about it
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Ren Surkova
Down In Flames
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Posted - 2007.11.15 15:44:00 -
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these forums would be the same repetitive, catchphrase infested sewer with or without goonswarm, at least all the drama they generate adds some variety
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.11.15 15:51:00 -
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The goons use racism as a tool to offend people because they know it works, Just think of New zealand "mongrel mob" in the gangs origins they picked up on the fact that fascist symbology offends people so they adopted it but the group in many ways was the total opposite of National socialist doctrine but they liked the way it angered people.
Originally by: MOTOK0 A bit like the second coming of jesus only with screaming and tears and whine threads.
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Xaen
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.15 15:58:00 -
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Because creating a whine thread in the wrong forum is sooooooo much better. -- Support fixing the EVE UI | Suggest Jita fixes
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.15 16:06:00 -
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To me it doesn't matter whether it is Goons, Bob, SWA, whomever. These forums are full of so much crud it is appalling (I cam from Bioware's forums, they make everyone be nice)....
Make a Forum ban == an In Game ban and enforce civility on the forums. Freedom of speech sure, as long as it is done with respect.
Just because the GAME is supposed to be a dark and dangerous place doesn't mean we all need to be jerks in public....
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
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Domania
F.A.D.E
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Posted - 2007.11.15 16:08:00 -
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Goons on the forums?!? Since when?
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.11.15 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Taurequis on 15/11/2007 16:25:19 Hi,
up until about 10 minutes ago where the captaingorden guy posted ga.y por.n on the corps and alliances discussion while trynig to get permabanned i was fine with goonspam.
Now if id been at work i'd have been fired by now for viewing that picture.
Fortunalty i'm at home, unfortauntly my friends 7 year old son was in the room.
Goons. I know you think its your right to trash the forums. But come on. Your just ruining it for the rest of us.
Taur
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.11.15 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Taurequis Edited by: Taurequis on 15/11/2007 16:25:19 Hi,
up until about 10 minutes ago where the captaingorden guy posted ga.y por.n on the corps and alliances discussion while trynig to get permabanned i was fine with goonspam.
Now if id been at work i'd have been fired by now for viewing that picture.
Fortunalty i'm at home, unfortauntly my friends 7 year old son was in the room.
Goons. I know you think its your right to trash the forums. But come on. Your just ruining it for the rest of us.
Taur
You should be fired for spending your time at work on the Eve forum in the first place.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Zolofine
M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.15 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie I sense alot of negative energy about you that you need to take care of. I recommend herbal tea and some positive energy crystals.
I recommend some good fvcking tbh...
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.15 16:35:00 -
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If there whining and foot stamping annoys you, use that caod cleaner tool. They do there own things, have there own community and look down there noses at the eve community.
Just ignore them if they annoy you dude
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.15 16:42:00 -
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hey guys whats going on in this thread
yeah goons are pretty awful ayep ayep
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.11.15 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani hey guys whats going on in this thread
yeah goons are pretty awful ayep ayep
sup mittens
Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
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FiNAL FiGHT
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Posted - 2007.11.15 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dramaan
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 14/11/2007 12:51:20 maybe thats the answer then...just boycott their threads and ignore them..
on another note maybe its because they are so big with 5000+ members, and very much involved in the game that its not actually spam just the sheer numbers posting..
They have there own forums and so they use so no is not that they are not so good to organize there members but if they want to have fun whit and play around of lot the members they recruiting have to be on the forums for while and they some times scam meberes or even pod them only to have fun and that what they are looking for in eve to have fun is this way they show us the humor they have.
fun is one thing....THIS GOON POST is not.
some of us would prefer not to see such things.
I'm scarred, and you can't make me un-see that.
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