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Posted - 2007.11.15 00:04:00 -
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I'm getting more and more interested in the market and seem to be doing pretty good at not selling too high or too low. Just being patient seems to be the key, for me at least.
Q: /help? I just can't figure out what's the difference between Heavy Nos II, and Heavy Diminished System Drain I. The attributes are exacly the same, except that the named module only requires LvL 3 skills and uses significantly lower CPU and PG. (only diff is meta level 4 vs 5), didn't think that was such a huge market factor for a module.
Which one do you think is more expensive? The Heavy NOs II is 3, to 6 times the price, of the Heavy Diminished System Drain I. !!?? (3-6mil vs 1-3mil) Heavy NOS II needs LvL 5 skill, and uses more power and CPU than the Heavy Diminished System Drain.
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Soren
PAK
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Posted - 2007.11.15 00:24:00 -
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There's a large supply of heavy dim nos.. just don't buy heavy nos II, it's price will drop to compete, or heavy dim price will raise if demand exceeds supply..
Of course there's the people that don't even check stuff like that and just buy the t2. ☠-->-->--
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Estate
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Posted - 2007.11.15 00:53:00 -
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This was the case for a long time on Beta something-or-other Shield Power Relays. The beta version was as good as the T2 (if not better requirement-wise), yet they were dirt cheap for a long time. Eventually the prices balanced out and the two are pretty close to each other.
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.15 09:03:00 -
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Beta CPR's and SPR's, 'Hypnos' signal distortion amps, Reinforced Rolled Tungsten armor plates, Phased Muons sensor dampeners, PWNAGE target painters, best-named ECM, Balmer Series tracking disruptors, Local Hull istabs, Fleeting webs... a lot of best-named T1 is strictly better than T2. And often cheaper, to boot.
Yet people love that little yellow "II".
MP --
Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral compression! |
Treelox
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.11.15 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Yet people love that little yellow "II".
maybe im wrong, cant check atm, and I dont use it. Isnt T2 more durable in regards to HEAT VS the named T1's? If it is this might be a mitigating factor aswell.
Of course MP is right, a lot of people just get excited with the yellow "II" tag, and are blinded to anything else. --
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Hanoi Hana
Mitsubishi Group
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Posted - 2007.11.15 11:08:00 -
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For myself, I'm much happier when making a simple load-out to just buy all T2 gear, instead of loading five meta levels worth of items to find the one that is on par with T2. Unless I forsee fitting problems, I will never do this and I will just stick with what I know is high-end.
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Tarsyris
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.15 14:51:00 -
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As said some named items are strictly superior to T2. This is especially important for Nos though since it has fairly high fitting and skill requirements. Diminishing nos is both cheaper and much easier to fit, generally meaning that you are gimping your setup by not using it.
The price discrepancy is there because it drops often enough to have a steady supply, whereas T2 price is somewhat bottom lined by invention prices.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.11.15 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Selene D'Celeste This was the case for a long time on Beta something-or-other Shield Power Relays. The beta version was as good as the T2 (if not better requirement-wise), yet they were dirt cheap for a long time. Eventually the prices balanced out and the two are pretty close to each other.
pre revII didnt all t1 sprs have a 20% recharge rate? and with revII the betas got the 24% recharge rate.
and i would say the difference is there is a bpo for heavy nos II where diminishings are only from rats.
I still dont like meta 4 having the same stats and better fitting then meta 5
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.15 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Yet people love that little yellow "II".
maybe im wrong, cant check atm, and I dont use it. Isnt T2 more durable in regards to HEAT VS the named T1's? If it is this might be a mitigating factor aswell.
I honestly don't know, either, but surely that doesn't affect 1600mm plates, for instance, where the far-superior Rolled Tungstens have been cheaper than T2 for as long as T2 has been out!
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I still dont like meta 4 having the same stats and better fitting then meta 5
The pirate factions were heavily-involved in the creation of t2, at least if the storyline inside the Sansha 10/10 is to be believed. Regardless, the meta levels are the way they are because CCP decided you can't use a higher-meta-level component to invent a lower-meta-level T2 module/ship (directly contradicting their original devblog about invention, which mentioned using a Navy Caracal to invent a Cerberus, but oh well). I'd very strongly oppose any change to the current system (i.e., the one wherein some best-named modules are better than T2). The current system adds spice to ratting, knowing you should go to certain areas to get certain prized mods, even if you never encounter a faction spawn.
MP --
Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral compression! |
Word
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Posted - 2007.11.15 23:40:00 -
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Thanks for the sanity check overyone, appreciate it.
I did check for thermal damage numbers on and off line and they're the same too.
I stumbled on to this when buying the T2 Nos and then noticed that I needed LvL 5, so I searched for a back up and found the cheaper Diminished and then after getting LvL5, loaded up the T2 Nos and wondered, eehhh, watz up? LOL...
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Estate
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Posted - 2007.11.16 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
pre revII didnt all t1 sprs have a 20% recharge rate? and with revII the betas got the 24% recharge rate.
I believe this was the case as I don't recall them being quite as awesome back then. All I can say is that I wish I had saved more than the nice batch I did when they were upgraded =D
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