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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.02.01 12:55:00 -
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Janus Nightmare wrote:As an aside... there used to be rules about griefing noobs. Do those no longer apply? They're still there, and they still apply. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.02.01 13:34:00 -
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Janus Nightmare wrote: If players join this game thinking they're going to be coddled and helped along until they're ultra-mega-power-boomship is ready for them, then they're playing the wrong game to begin with.
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Alaric Faelen
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.02.02 08:11:00 -
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It is true that Eve is pretty brutal to new players. It's a lot thrown at you, some of it needlessly complicated, and often the pay off for putting up with it isn't worth it.
But you have to understand it only gets worse. You learn the rules as you go, but the ability for other people to do massive damage to you only ever increases as you move along in the game. You think can flipping sets you back, wait until 150 ships blob your moon mining operation and cost you billions- all well within their rights too. It's just high end can flipping.
What you think is griefing is just the ground floor of the PvP nature of Eve. It's a microcosm of the larger game you're aiming toward. Just like solo mining in high sec is the ground floor of industrial giants, can flipping / war decs are the ground floor of piracy and alliance dominance of whole systems. It's part of a progression, get used to it.
It's also as I said before- the problem is anyone expecting reward for zero risk. One must be balanced with the other. Too many people expect to be well rewarded for zero-risk gameplay. If the rewards were as modest as the risk that people seem to be willing to tolerate, they'd have a case.
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
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Posted - 2012.02.02 08:38:00 -
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Alex Sinai wrote:I do understand an attempt to push players to other then High sectors. But with recent "buff to gankers" strategy all you do is pushing them out of the game.
You do realize that the current state of eve, caters to highsec carebears more then ever before in eve history? Concord is stronger and faster. Game mechanics have been changed to save you from RR chain ganks etc,
What is this "buff to gankers' strategy and when will CCP start using it? I havent seen a ganker buff in.... literally ever. |
Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:11:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alex Sinai wrote:
It's not the point of the post where they are in High sec. The point of the post is simple. Can flippers and gankers in High sec are bad for the game. They make people leave more effectively then anything else in the game.
Welp, I'M STILL HERE. Sheesh. Maybe affects 5% of noobs........... Maybe America is the only place with 'Freshman Hazing". That's all it is. And one does NOT quit school because of 'hazing'. No backbone whatsoever. And looking for sympathy on these Forums is a Fool's Errand.
Damn Krixtal when did you become the Dark Lord of Mining. The dark side is strong in this one...
Sadly this immediate 'Hazing," might have something to do with Eve's pathetic growth numbers, and yes not breaking half a million in over seven years is pathetic. Of course it might also have something to do with recycled gameplay and sniping high school politics. I for one think another couple hundred thousand real players might be a good thing instead of what I imagine are 50 plus thousand pulses attached to god knows how many alts.
And yes Kirxtal, lots of kids leave school in the United States due to social pressures and general bullying, etc...
Concorde should pod and we would see flippers being selective about targets instead of epeen stroking in the faces of noobs. |
Gazmin VanBurin
The Tower Of Nevaurus The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:27:00 -
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I like how most carebears assume that new players are joining the game to be like them. let met tell you a short story
I was camping a 0.0 gate solo in a rupture when a thrasher jumps in on me and emediatly locks me up and starts to shoot me. While I was planing on trying to kill him as he ran, he didn't run which trew me off.. was he trying to get me to agress for an alt of a fleet? well I burn off the gate and kill him because hell im just in a rupture and im aglie. he had no back up, and only a half decent fit, i convoed him and asked why he attacked, and he said "because if I take the offensive I can posibly kill bigger ships" he was less than a month old, he had lost a good 50 thrashers, but had actualy killed a good 30 other ships from friggs to a few cruisers, some decently fit.
I trained tha newbe to pvp and gave him ships and isk when ever i could spare some, he was my newbe hero, he came to this game looking for a harsh space battlefield where he could kill people not npcs, and he found it. why do carebears what to take that away from some one who generaly loves this game for what it is? |
Jensen Blayloc
Galtech Alloy and Nanotech Group
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:49:00 -
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I am having a hard time staying awake reading this so I will just skip to my point..
Here is an idea..
If the can isn't yours, LEAVE IT THE #$%^ ALONE. |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:11:00 -
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Gazmin VanBurin wrote:I like how most carebears assume that new players are joining the game to be like them. let met tell you a short story
I was camping a 0.0 gate solo in a rupture when a thrasher jumps in on me and emediatly locks me up and starts to shoot me. While I was planing on trying to kill him as he ran, he didn't run which trew me off.. was he trying to get me to agress for an alt of a fleet? well I burn off the gate and kill him because hell im just in a rupture and im aglie. he had no back up, and only a half decent fit, i convoed him and asked why he attacked, and he said "because if I take the offensive I can posibly kill bigger ships" he was less than a month old, he had lost a good 50 thrashers, but had actualy killed a good 30 other ships from friggs to a few cruisers, some decently fit.
I trained tha newbe to pvp and gave him ships and isk when ever i could spare some, he was my newbe hero, he came to this game looking for a harsh space battlefield where he could kill people not npcs, and he found it. why do carebears what to take that away from some one who generaly loves this game for what it is?
To be fair, nerfing can-flipping somehow wouldn't have any effect on whether your little story could happen or not.
The only thing that killing can-flipping would do is impede on the legitimate tactic of taking things which don't belong to you when they're not secured.
This is a game where thievery and piracy are actively allowed and encouraged. They are part of the game. Can flipping is at the heart of this. If you don't like it, then find a game that does NOT have player allowed piracy.
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Gazmin VanBurin
The Tower Of Nevaurus The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:40:00 -
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wouldn't directly effect that persons first piracy and pvp experiance no, but I have known others to start with can fliping before piracy, and nerfing it would take away that step for their underhanded life style progression, if you see my point. |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:57:00 -
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Alex Sinai wrote:Alexandra Delarge wrote:Terrible CEOs ruin the experience of new players. Join a better corp. Terrible mechanics ruin the experience of new players. Join a better game. How in the world terrible CEOs stay CEOs in corps in EVE. Obvious troll.
Some newbs don't know that their CEO is terrible because they have no experience of what it is like to be in a decent corp run by a good CEO. Terrible CEOs prey on the newbs ignorance because older players, who can tell the difference between a good and a bad corp, will not join.
90% of the new players complaining about hisec war decs are in ****** little corps run by morons. There are 1000's of new players who joined a good corp, got war decced and had fun while learning a valuable lesson. If a CEO cannot offer his newbs protection from big bad meanies in hisec then he shouln't be in charge of a corp in the first place.
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Wacktopia
Noir.
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Posted - 2012.02.02 20:39:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Janus Nightmare wrote: If players join this game thinking they're going to be coddled and helped along until they're ultra-mega-power-boomship is ready for them, then they're playing the wrong game to begin with. +1
+1 Apparently we're getting censored now. |
Duck Mouth
Nebula Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2012.02.02 23:19:00 -
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Alex Sinai wrote:
Very creative and thinking post. Shows so much intellect.
EVE is by far not harsh and totally not PVP environment. EVE is a walk in the park with BLOBS that by mistake or intention somehow called PVP. Just take a good look around. The rest not deserve any comment.
EVE is a PvP environment. And it is not dominated by blobs unless you are doing ns/ls roams or warfare. obviously you got ganked 1v1 to a guy in a frigate because you're a noob and don't know how to properly mine.
Wacktopia wrote:Velicitia wrote:Janus Nightmare wrote: If players join this game thinking they're going to be coddled and helped along until they're ultra-mega-power-boomship is ready for them, then they're playing the wrong game to begin with. +1 +1
+1
when you sign up for EVE Online, you have to click past a page that says "EVE IS HARD" |
Alaric Faelen
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.02.03 00:42:00 -
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All the newb mewling strikes me a funny now that my job title is 'Pirate Scum' and I have just as big of a whine about NOT being able to kill people. The war dec mechanic is broken. Any corp can shed a war dec with no penalty to them and no gain to the pirates they 'surrendered' to. (yeah- if you surrender, why don't you actually lose anything? And if we 'won' then why don't we benefit?)
The only newbs getting ganked in belts mining are dumb and lazy and sit in market hub belts. I'm a pirate, and let me tell you that Eve is just too big for me to fly to every belt in every high sec system nearby hoping to catch some newb in a Retriever humping roids. But I sure can swing by the belts in a market hub while I'm there anyway.......
I'm not a very good pirate, so my security status still allows me in high sec. But anyone that is dedicated to space crime isn't even going to be able to move in high sec before very long. If a can flipper scares you, best quit Eve now before you run into a truly dangerous pirate.
Can flipping is a newb activity. There is nothing in it for actual players. It's just a newb hoping another newb will be dumb enough to give up a KM for e-peen purposes. I've never heard a gang of actual, adult, dedicated players ever suggest flipping cans on newbs. People will sit around bubble camps and gates for hours on end- and no one says "this is boring, let's go flip cans in newb systems." You'd be laughed back into an NPC corp.
It might all seem dramatic to a newb- but believe me newbs, it all teaches you the game mechanics you need to know. It really isn't that long before you are simply past worrying about such things- or you might even find yourself on the other side, a bad guy yourself.... It's a steep learning curve, but it's fairly brief. |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2012.02.03 17:34:00 -
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Interestingly you want to see all the Ninja activity going on around the SOE arc.
Plenty of players flauting their epeen in that system, bad mouthing and dueling to see who is top honcho.
Whilst at the same time simply preying on newbs just out of the tutorial missions. Likley an early exposure to realities, but its the way that they claim to be so amazing PvP experts as a result.
Local in Arnon is awash with epeen "smacktalk". Still it's one step up from the banable can flipping activity in the tutorial systems I suppose. |
A'Brantox Foson
16
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Posted - 2012.02.03 17:47:00 -
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This thread is everything eve isn't, except of course the bits where it is. |
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