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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.11.19 14:08:00 -
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Salvage <> Yours
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.20 10:55:00 -
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I hate mission runners.
You've been coddled long enough.
Boo hoo someone stole my salvage. GOOD.
Level 4's should all be in lowsec so pirates can curbstomp you, you single-player-MMORPG playing wastes of disk space.
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.20 22:54:00 -
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Lazy and Greedy is a good description of the human condition.
Human beings want the most for the least, this is universal.
In Eve players feed on each other.
If you mine, ppl can come rob you.
If you rat, ppl can kill you.
Why should it be different working for an Agent?
If all Level 4's were in lowsec, it would be balanced.
I don't think having your income level drop from time to time is a huge burden to bear, considering the highsec mission runner faces NO other risk.
I am content to say that thievery is THE risk faced by highsec mission runners.
Just as every profession has a loss, so should yours.
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.20 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Estephania If you think missions are risk free and mission-runners are swimming in riches they earn without any risk, I pointed you to activities which are even more risk-less, more profitable and don't even require you to be logged on.
Such as?
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.20 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Estephania
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Estephania If you think missions are risk free and mission-runners are swimming in riches they earn without any risk, I pointed you to activities which are even more risk-less, more profitable and don't even require you to be logged on.
Such as?
Read above: T2 production, Datacore farming, Trading (even classic trading is relatively risk free if you're not stupid, not to talk about station trading).
Problem with your mentality is that you see mission-runner as your equal and thus are offended by his gameplay style which allows him to earn good ISK relatively risk-free. You are not even thinking about those "godlike" players who produce masses of T2 staff or have hundreds of buy/sell orders open, or farm datacores from 5 alt accounts and have many many times more ISK than mission runners, and earn it ABSOLUTELY risk-free.
Read my response to you above.
"Risk" includes periods of not making as much money, due to economic downturn or whatnot.
Which is pretty much what wreck theft is.
You're not actually "losing" anything you're just making less than %100 optimal.
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.20 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Estephania General impression is that ppl who defend thieves are thieves themselves, or just plain hate mission runners for some reason (envy may be). Their logic is: if it's bad for mission runners then it's a good thing.
No.
You don't get it.
Crime is a valid profession in Eve.
It's not considered "griefing" or something abnormal, taking things that don't belong to you is part of the game, like shooting haulers in highsec or wardeccing people to demand extortion.
Go to the "Crime and Punishment" forum where crooks of all sorts gather to share ideas and teach newbie crooks.
Could be a newbie thief salvaging a 3 year old mission carebear's wreck.
My point is that Crime is not some abnormal condition that needs to be "fixed."
Crime is a normal part of Eve gameplay.
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.20 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Estephania
So, their risk is virtually an out of game one, as economic downturn in Eve can occur only because CCP has decided to buff or to nerf something and module they produce becomes more/less popular. They have ZERO risk in game. Yet there's no public outcry about this. They are above risk vs reward equation.But mission runners are suddenly a center of attention. Why? Because you'd be slightly envious about your neighbor's new job where he earns a bit more than you, but you don't even think about Bill Gates billions. I know it's a RL example and it's bad, but it describes the situation pretty good I think.
Yeah you caught me.
I'm envious of highsec mission runners and Bill Gates.
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.20 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai
i mission and rat in 0.0 come and get me if u have balls.
oh, what? you're a lame lowsec gate camping and blobbing wannabe piewate? Boo hoo, this is my careface about opinions from noobs like you: -_-
Smacktalk noted. See you in space.
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.20 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Estephania Edited by: Estephania on 20/11/2007 23:45:45 Missions, mining and datacore farming have about the same level of being uncompetitive, uninteractive and unlimited and they are primary methods of earning ISK, other activities redistribute ISK.
Miners get robbed.
Dunno much about datacores. Isnt that mission running also?
Not saying mish runners shouldn't be able to earn anything. Just saying that theft adds a social dynamic to it.
Put it this way.
If total mission income is %100, and salvagers take %20 of that, you still have not actually lost anything. You just make %80 instead of %100.
Are you such a small person that you can't stand it when someone else drinks from your income stream from time to time?
I think ppl are just neurotic "zomg you looted my wreck how dare you!"
I leave wrecks to rot all the time. Ppl can steal em I don't care.
If you don't salvage or loot, you do the missions faster, earn more LP, etc I believe the income level comes out to be similar either way.
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.21 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Estephania
Actually I want criminal flagging because insta-popping those salvaging destroyers would be so nice. Waiting for the salvager to come for the revenge in his PvP ship, to meet him in my HAC/Recon - priceless.
Careful what you wish for.
Miners wished for something similar.
Before they just lost their ore.
Now they lose their ships too.
This adds fun to the crime profession, and attracts more people to it.
A chance to kill a CNR mission runner? Do you know how many people would sign up for that even without a profit motive?
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.22 16:07:00 -
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Mining. Industry. Trade. Ratting. Salvaging.
All deal with supply/demand issues. Not being able to find enough roids, or rats, or customers.
All professions in Eve deal with competition for finite resources. Except...
Mission Running : Infinite resources with no competition.
I'm okay with this BUT
I don't think its too much to ask that Mish Runners deal with competition for resources from other salvagers.
I think the Salvaging profession has brought a little balance to Mission Running.
Mission Running has always been an instanced solo game.
Now its becoming more of a "multiplayer" event where you actually sometimes come in contact with other players.
I believe this is a positive change.
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