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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:02:00 -
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I know a bunch of highsec carebears that are looking to become nullbears and would like to rent some space.
But naturally they would like to do this with a solid alliance that is not about to buckle or buckle under the flimiest of attacks
Obviously the Goons are not about to fail anytime soon since Mittans the mighty owns the CSM
and
the Russians are not about to fail anytime soon as the rent has to be paid.
But apart from those two are there any others that could be a failure cascade that my highsec friends need to worry about.
My thanks for your thoughtful answers I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Klezmer
In Praise Of Shadows
5
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:04:00 -
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CAOD -----> |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
311
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:06:00 -
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You get far more truthful answers in here I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
283
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:07:00 -
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horus just joined ncdot, i'd start evac now if I were them |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8255
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:19:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote: Obviously the Goons are not about to fail anytime soon since Mittans the mighty owns the CSM
Your conclusion is correct (that Goonswarm is not about to fail), but your reasoning is flawed.
Goonswarm will not fail because its core membership comes from an out of game community which does not care even a little bit as to the in-game space guild's reputation or status. In short, Goonswarm will not fail because the people who play in it are playing EVE to play in Goonswarm, with other Goons. Goonswarm has not always had The Mittani on the CSM, and it has endured rises to and falls from power all the same. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:24:00 -
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Well, null is a giant NAP right now. It has been for a while. Your biggest threat may be other blues actually.
However, Your friends my be in a little over their heads right now. If handled wrong you will lose everything. I mean this in the best possible way. Really.
You need to be able to gather that kind of info already if you plan a big move. The meta game, contacts and scouting are a few important options. Talk with ther people who rent because I'm almost certain there's more to this than you know. The life of a renter is crap. The life of an industrial renter is the worst.
Think it through. Do some research and learn how to gather intel. Collapses can be sudden, but often the writing is already on the wall. You need to be able to read that wall. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
284
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:25:00 -
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Pavel Bidermann wrote:Well, null is a giant NAP right now. lol wut |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
553
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:31:00 -
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Pavel Bidermann wrote:Well, null is a giant NAP right now.
Karn Dulake wrote:the Russians are not about to fail anytime soon as the rent has to be paid.
/o\ |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:32:00 -
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Since there really haven't been any actual wars in quite a while, that may be you smallest concern. Ganking is a much bigger concern.
Therefore, the people you would be renting from are your biggest threat. They will know what you have and where you are. They definately don't like you. Boredom is the biggest enemy in EVE as a whole and its a huge problem in null specifically. More than a few pilots feel that shooting renters makes for a relaxing afternoon. Nobody will care that you're unhappy with that either.
I have known too many people who have rented in null, lost everything and later just split up. Its quite sad because there were some really good people involved and for many of them it was a catalyst for unsubbing. In most cases like that it happened over time. The negative impact was never resolved.
So there it is. Boredom, betrayal, and elitism will be your greatest enemies. Do intel first, if you must go. |
John Caesse
Madeix Industries
111
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:35:00 -
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Pavel Bidermann wrote:Well, null is a giant NAP right now. It has been for a while. Your biggest threat may be other blues actually.
Huh, I guess all these sov wars in the north, east, south, and recently southwest are just massive overview glitches.
Or you don't know what you're talking about.
I'm gong with the latter. |
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
311
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:36:00 -
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Pavel Bidermann wrote:Since there really haven't been any actual wars in quite a while, that may be you smallest concern. Ganking is a much bigger concern.
Therefore, the people you would be renting from are your biggest threat. They will know what you have and where you are. They definately don't like you. Boredom is the biggest enemy in EVE as a whole and its a huge problem in null specifically. More than a few pilots feel that shooting renters makes for a relaxing afternoon. Nobody will care that you're unhappy with that either.
I have known too many people who have rented in null, lost everything and later just split up. Its quite sad because there were some really good people involved and for many of them it was a catalyst for unsubbing. In most cases like that it happened over time. The negative impact was never resolved.
So there it is. Boredom, betrayal, and elitism will be your greatest enemies. Do intel first, if you must go.
Thanks for the advice. They are on it. The only thing that i said to them was dont rent from the Goons. The Russians might be a better option as if they just leave them alone and let them the system rent then there might be a Zaporozhets in it for the alliance CEO.
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:43:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Pavel Bidermann wrote:Well, null is a giant NAP right now. lol wut
I do miss the wars. I made alot of isk on them. A lot (your 'sweet Jesus' meme here) I was just a one man/two account corp at the time too. Yuo couldn't build ships and ammo fast enough. My most memorable sale was 20 BCs and 7 BSs in LESS than 10 minutes. that's not counting in the fact that everything else I had up for sale was gone too. I put it up on the market and insta-wallet blink. Not to one person either. All individual sales. There was no ship that wouldn't sell either. The crappiest frigate on the market? they were buying it. God yeah.Good days, long gone.
I started in EVE because of them, the wars and the player stories. It seemed interesting. Ah, the glory days of old. Those days are gone too and that's sad. now I'm just a bitter old guy talking about how we didn't have shoes to wear either. You kids have it soft! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
284
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:57:00 -
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Pavel Bidermann wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Pavel Bidermann wrote:Well, null is a giant NAP right now. lol wut I do miss the wars. I made alot of isk on them. A lot (your 'sweet Jesus' meme here) I was just a one man/two account corp at the time too. Yuo couldn't build ships and ammo fast enough. My most memorable sale was 20 BCs and 7 BSs in LESS than 10 minutes. that's not counting in the fact that everything else I had up for sale was gone too. I put it up on the market and insta-wallet blink. Not to one person either. All individual sales. There was no ship that wouldn't sell either. The crappiest frigate on the market? they were buying it. God yeah.Good days, long gone. I started in EVE because of them, the wars and the player stories. It seemed interesting. Ah, the glory days of old. Those days are gone too and that's sad. now I'm just a bitter old guy talking about how we didn't have shoes to wear either. You kids have it soft!
hey guys i make a lot of isk with my main |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8259
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:11:00 -
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There are ongoing wars right now in Null Sec space. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:12:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Pavel Bidermann wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Pavel Bidermann wrote:Well, null is a giant NAP right now. lol wut I do miss the wars. I made alot of isk on them. A lot (your 'sweet Jesus' meme here) I was just a one man/two account corp at the time too. Yuo couldn't build ships and ammo fast enough. My most memorable sale was 20 BCs and 7 BSs in LESS than 10 minutes. that's not counting in the fact that everything else I had up for sale was gone too. I put it up on the market and insta-wallet blink. Not to one person either. All individual sales. There was no ship that wouldn't sell either. The crappiest frigate on the market? they were buying it. God yeah.Good days, long gone. I started in EVE because of them, the wars and the player stories. It seemed interesting. Ah, the glory days of old. Those days are gone too and that's sad. now I'm just a bitter old guy talking about how we didn't have shoes to wear either. You kids have it soft! hey guys i make a lot of isk with my main
Not any more. Sub expires in a few days. My other accounts too. Like I said, those days are gone.
I used to use a lot of the isk getting other players started or through various hurdles in the game. I funded lots of new people and funded several corp start-ups. Sometimes I'd just lend a hand. EVE is supposed to be a social experience in one way or another. When I would be in NPC corps, like now, I would sometimes sit in new pilot areas and answer basic questions or direct pilots to better qualified groups or people in order to help them on their way. That was always a pretty good day.
I tell you what though. Answer one person on those channels and get ready because the flood gates open right up! "What's the difference between a MWD and AB?" "How do I open a cargo contiainer?" "I shot a CONCORD ship and was instantly in a station. Why?" "How do I become a Diplomat" " Why do people use T2s? The meta 4 seems better." and on and on....... |
Rory Orlenard
University of Caille Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:17:00 -
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What exactly is it that you NEED, that you MUST HAVE from null to insure your corps/alliance continues to exist. Usually the answer is nothing.
If you want to go to null because you want to - thats different. You can pay rent and insure the people who are stronger and richer then you remain that way or you can go weaken them. Seems standing on your own would be more interesting and challenging, there must be ways to pvp and conduct economic and physcological warfare in null without renting. |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
282
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:19:00 -
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Pavel Bidermann wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Pavel Bidermann wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Pavel Bidermann wrote:Well, null is a giant NAP right now. lol wut I do miss the wars. I made alot of isk on them. A lot (your 'sweet Jesus' meme here) I was just a one man/two account corp at the time too. Yuo couldn't build ships and ammo fast enough. My most memorable sale was 20 BCs and 7 BSs in LESS than 10 minutes. that's not counting in the fact that everything else I had up for sale was gone too. I put it up on the market and insta-wallet blink. Not to one person either. All individual sales. There was no ship that wouldn't sell either. The crappiest frigate on the market? they were buying it. God yeah.Good days, long gone. I started in EVE because of them, the wars and the player stories. It seemed interesting. Ah, the glory days of old. Those days are gone too and that's sad. now I'm just a bitter old guy talking about how we didn't have shoes to wear either. You kids have it soft! hey guys i make a lot of isk with my main Not any more. Sub expires in a few days. My other accounts too. Like I said, those days are gone. I used to use a lot of the isk getting other players started or through various hurdles in the game. I funded lots of new people and funded several corp start-ups. Sometimes I'd just lend a hand. EVE is supposed to be a social experience in one way or another. When I would be in NPC corps, like now, I would sometimes sit in new pilot areas and answer basic questions or direct pilots to better qualified groups or people in order to help them on their way. That was always a pretty good day. I tell you what though. Answer one person on those channels and get ready because the flood gates open right up! "What's the difference between a MWD and AB?" "How do I open a cargo contiainer?" "I shot a CONCORD ship and was instantly in a station. Why?" "How do I become a Diplomat" " Why do people use T2s? The meta 4 seems better." and on and on.......
What the total *****? And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
91
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:20:00 -
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Guess the NAP dude missed that RA/ -A- are fight as usual.
Solar/UAxDeath are having a pretty decent civil war, and god damn near 3/4 of the maps are involved along with null merc...with wardecs, Goons just made WN a non-entity, and are trying to decide if they can take Raiden on.
There is some non-agression, but we didn't kill 10,000 ships this month roaming. |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:25:00 -
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Rory Orlenard wrote: What exactly is it that you NEED, that you MUST HAVE from null to insure your corps/alliance continues to exist. Usually the answer is nothing.
If you want to go to null because you want to - thats different. You can pay rent and insure the people who are stronger and richer then you remain that way or you can go weaken them. Seems standing on your own would be more interesting and challenging, there must be ways to pvp and conduct economic and physcological warfare in null without renting.
Well, if you want to go it alone then I would point you to the barren wastes we know as Providence. Its the absolute worst space, but you can work with CVA and eventually you could get your own place. Working with CVA can be....challenging, at times.
There is no absolute safety in EVE. If you have been in high sec at all you should be aware of this. High sec is very dangerous.
Don't take anything nice. Leave it safed up someplace in high sec. Always be ready to evacuate. Don't trust your enemies and trust your allies less. SCOUT! Constant intel. Screen your applicants well. Do not form a democracy in you corp. Contribute to the alliance your in, but stand your ground on what you need. If they don't like it, it wasn't goingto work anyway but at least you have a little dignity. The odds are greatly stacked against you. Never forget that. If it looks like a trap, is. If it looks like its safe, its a trap. Have fun! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
284
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:28:00 -
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But if Pavel leaves who will tell the newbies in NPC corp chat such nuggets of wisdom like 'there are no wars in 0.0 atm, everyone is NAPd"?
he will be missed |
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Alaric Faelen
Aquila Venatici
63
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:29:00 -
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Any alliance that is essentially one obsessive player with isk and enough SP to impress newer players. Usually someone with a half dozen accounts and 20 alts.
Any alliance where the FC's see pilots as ships and not characters (ie, just call for BC blobs, regardless of what you actually fly well). These people basically just see other players as BC sized drones.
Corps/Alliances don't function like it in practice. They are much more like the Mafia- in that you are expected to go out on your own time and earn your own income, yet kick up 'tax' to the bosses. In exchange you get to operate in that area, possibly some kind of minor support from the top (other goons on the payroll, escort, refining skill, etc) but only if it supports the boss in the end. However, in addition to having to be 'isk independent' as so many corp recruiting ads say, but also have to come to the aid of the bosses when needed too.
In the end that often means that other than (maybe) helping you make them money, corps/alliances in Eve aren't "employers" in any meaningful sense. Rather just a meeting place for like minded players.
In my limited time, most alliances I've seen are a fairly random collection of corps almost totally unrelated to one another. Most corps tend to be microcosms of that model as well. |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:30:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Guess the NAP dude missed that RA/ -A- are fight as usual.
Solar/UAxDeath are having a pretty decent civil war, and god damn near 3/4 of the maps is involved along with null merc...with wardecs, Goons just made WN a non-entity, and are trying to decide if they can take Raiden on.
There is some non-agression, but we didn't kill 10,000 ships this month roaming.
Yes, ther's plenty of canned hunting going on.Goons bravely invaded unoccupied botting space while taking a break from attacking unarmed industrials. The other wars are so active the maps vurtually are ablaze with movement! lol! The drainage ditch by the road in front of me has more movement. In a word, stagnation. If there was less movement, the server would have to be offline. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
554
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:39:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Karn Dulake wrote: Obviously the Goons are not about to fail anytime soon since Mittans the mighty owns the CSM
Your conclusion is correct (that Goonswarm is not about to fail), but your reasoning is flawed. Goonswarm will not fail because its core membership comes from an out of game community which does not care even a little bit as to the in-game space guild's reputation or status. In short, Goonswarm will not fail because the people who play in it are playing EVE to play in Goonswarm, with other Goons. Goonswarm has not always had The Mittani on the CSM, and it has endured rises to and falls from power all the same.
GSF will not fail yet beacause the existence of GSF is worse than it disbanding... or something like that |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:39:00 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote:Any alliance that is essentially one obsessive player with isk and enough SP to impress newer players. Usually someone with a half dozen accounts and 20 alts.
Any alliance where the FC's see pilots as ships and not characters (ie, just call for BC blobs, regardless of what you actually fly well). These people basically just see other players as BC sized drones.
Corps/Alliances don't function like it in practice. They are much more like the Mafia- in that you are expected to go out on your own time and earn your own income, yet kick up 'tax' to the bosses. In exchange you get to operate in that area, possibly some kind of minor support from the top (other goons on the payroll, escort, refining skill, etc) but only if it supports the boss in the end. However, in addition to having to be 'isk independent' as so many corp recruiting ads say, but also have to come to the aid of the bosses when needed too.
In the end that often means that other than (maybe) helping you make them money, corps/alliances in Eve aren't "employers" in any meaningful sense. Rather just a meeting place for like minded players.
In my limited time, most alliances I've seen are a fairly random collection of corps almost totally unrelated to one another. Most corps tend to be microcosms of that model as well.
And you need to have corp activities. If you don't the members will drift apart socially, become bored and leave. Mix it up a bit, but plan it the best that you can. The plan will go all wierd at some point, but its important to work together. Keep people communicating. Groups have he same issues at every level. Boredom, change in RL status, change of personal goals etc. Be ready for that. Also, be ready for the idea that you went through all the trouble of making this deal just to get there and everybody hates it. It happens. |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:44:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:[quote=Pavel Bidermann][quote=Nicolo da'Vicenza][quote=Pavel Bidermann][quote=Nicolo
What the total *****?
could you use that word in a sentence?
What's YOUR point? I honestly don't follow what you're saying here. |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
16
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:46:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:IObviously the Goons are not about to fail anytime soon since Mittans the mighty owns the CSM Awww, are you seriously jelly of someone elses E-fame? |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
317
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:47:00 -
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Pavel Bidermann wrote:Since there really haven't been any actual wars in quite a while,
"I do not know about it" is not the same as "it's not happening". |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:49:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Karn Dulake wrote: Obviously the Goons are not about to fail anytime soon since Mittans the mighty owns the CSM
Your conclusion is correct (that Goonswarm is not about to fail), but your reasoning is flawed. Goonswarm will not fail because its core membership comes from an out of game community which does not care even a little bit as to the in-game space guild's reputation or status. In short, Goonswarm will not fail because the people who play in it are playing EVE to play in Goonswarm, with other Goons. Goonswarm has not always had The Mittani on the CSM, and it has endured rises to and falls from power all the same. GSF will not fail yet beacause the existence of GSF is worse than it disbanding... or something like that
It tough to remember all the political indoctination quote you have to learn. Stiff upper lip m8. You'll do fine. |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 19:00:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Pavel Bidermann wrote:Since there really haven't been any actual wars in quite a while, "I do not know about it" is not the same as "it's not happening".
Perhaps compairing them to old school wars? Plus, there seems to be quite a bit of complaing about how boring null has gotten, along with how much unoccupied space there is, omg there's nothing but bots for sytem after system, etc. There's no secret there.
The time I spent in null was some of the worst time I had in EVE. God, nothing seemed to happen. Anywhere. Got so bad some alliances invaded into Provi fopr something to do. If you're looking for good times in Provi, your game is hurting! |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.01.30 19:09:00 -
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It doesn't really matter to me anymore what goes on. It's your game now so.. ENJOY! I will probably check on the game from time to time, but I notice that I'm doing that less now too. Hard to break the habit of intel gathering after years of doing it every day. Every day..... guess I'll actually finish some projects around the house. The Mrs. might get used to that though. |
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