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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.11.22 22:40:00 -
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Mega and Hype volumes are over 500km3 per ship, assembled. Every other BS in the game is less. That means only one of those per carrier run, if they're assembled, while I can move twice as many of any other race, including the Abaddon or Maelstrom.
Additionally, this starts to make a big difference when you start moving quite a few ships for corp ops etc. 450km3 for a Tempest is significant when you can fit another 100km3 of ships in the hold along with the two BS.
All the Gallente ships are nerfed volume-wise on Sisi now. The Ishtar and Lachesis were 85km3 assembled on TQ, and now are 115km3 (or something around there) on Sisi. This does indeed make a difference. The difference between fitting a recon in the hold along with 2x BS, and not.
Every Gallente ship that is of any significance (recons, command ships, battleships, hacs) are all more expensive volume-wise to transport than any of the other ship types.
I'm sure if I bothered to check, T1 cruisers, frigs and BCs would also require more volume than the others.
When I'm trying to haul a gangs worth of hacs and cs and recons to go kill some mission runners somewhere, these little differeces of 20-30km3 or so per ship start to add up, so that istead of everyone having 2x cruisers to choose from, they only have one. Unless of course everyone brings a Falcon.
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zacuis
Great Big Research
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Posted - 2007.11.23 00:43:00 -
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u didnt get the memo?!! this is the kill gallente patch.
come on they were way too overpowered any way !
sarcasm anyone ?
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2007.11.23 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus Mega and Hype volumes are over 500km3 per ship, assembled. Every other BS in the game is less. That means only one of those per carrier run, if they're assembled, while I can move twice as many of any other race, including the Abaddon or Maelstrom.
Additionally, this starts to make a big difference when you start moving quite a few ships for corp ops etc. 450km3 for a Tempest is significant when you can fit another 100km3 of ships in the hold along with the two BS.
All the Gallente ships are nerfed volume-wise on Sisi now. The Ishtar and Lachesis were 85km3 assembled on TQ, and now are 115km3 (or something around there) on Sisi. This does indeed make a difference. The difference between fitting a recon in the hold along with 2x BS, and not.
Every Gallente ship that is of any significance (recons, command ships, battleships, hacs) are all more expensive volume-wise to transport than any of the other ship types.
I'm sure if I bothered to check, T1 cruisers, frigs and BCs would also require more volume than the others.
When I'm trying to haul a gangs worth of hacs and cs and recons to go kill some mission runners somewhere, these little differeces of 20-30km3 or so per ship start to add up, so that istead of everyone having 2x cruisers to choose from, they only have one. Unless of course everyone brings a Falcon.
maybe they should put gallente ships dronebays in line with the other races maybe reducing the size of there dronebay would give them smaller mass?
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Tarsyris
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.23 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Fanjita
maybe they should put gallente ships dronebays in line with the other races maybe reducing the size of there dronebay would give them smaller mass?
Wow, that's a pretty dumb post even by EVE-O standards.
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2007.11.23 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tarsyris
Originally by: Fanjita
maybe they should put gallente ships dronebays in line with the other races maybe reducing the size of there dronebay would give them smaller mass?
Wow, that's a pretty dumb post even by EVE-O standards.
i was following the same vein as the original post
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.11.23 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: Tarsyris
Originally by: Fanjita
maybe they should put gallente ships dronebays in line with the other races maybe reducing the size of there dronebay would give them smaller mass?
Wow, that's a pretty dumb post even by EVE-O standards.
i was following the same vein as the original post
What did your family think when your mother married her brother?
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Vrenth
Gallente 23rd Armor Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.23 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: Tarsyris
Originally by: Fanjita
maybe they should put gallente ships dronebays in line with the other races maybe reducing the size of there dronebay would give them smaller mass?
Wow, that's a pretty dumb post even by EVE-O standards.
i was following the same vein as the original post
What did your family think when your mother married her brother?
roflmaofailmoretrollz
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2007.11.23 01:51:00 -
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If this is intended and no some bug that'll be fixed its pretty insane. But honestly insanity is more the rule when talking about recent changes.
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Chi Quan
DEFCON. Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.11.23 02:32:00 -
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some ppl get irony, some don't....
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IMinYOURforums
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.23 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: zacuis u didnt get the memo?!! this is the kill gallente patch.
come on they were way too overpowered any way !
sarcasm anyone ?
So you're saying they weren't overpowered? Hmm.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.11.23 09:22:00 -
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Is there a direct link between a ship being efficient in its role and its volume?
I think that's the real question.
I thought the volume stuff was only about racial standard... Should gallente ships be even bigger?
That's a big hit on the defined carrier role, it's the only thing that cares about ship volume. I has been said before that the carriers ship maint bay was increased : cool. Don't take it away by making ships bigger! -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.11.23 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Eleana Tomelac Is there a direct link between a ship being efficient in its role and its volume?
I think that's the real question.
I thought the volume stuff was only about racial standard... Should gallente ships be even bigger?
That's a big hit on the defined carrier role, it's the only thing that cares about ship volume. I has been said before that the carriers ship maint bay was increased : cool. Don't take it away by making ships bigger!
Gallente ships across the board were increased in their size of assembled volume, with the exceptions of the battleships, but these were basically halved for all four races, except that the Gallente BSs wern't reduced as much as the other three races.
Every single Gallente ship has a much larger volume per ship type/class than the other three races, to the point that it's actually making a big impact on what ships and how many I can fit in my carrier's ship bay.
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Chi Quan
DEFCON. Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.11.23 10:50:00 -
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so what other reason could this have but to limit the export/import of gallente ships?
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James Duar
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.23 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: James Duar on 23/11/2007 10:54:04 This is a stupid beyond all reason change. In terms of assembled ship sizes, the only sensible choice I can really see is to make all assembled ships of the same class have exactly the same size, especially since this is just a number which affects how many fit in a ship bay.
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Face Changelette
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Posted - 2007.11.23 11:10:00 -
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Fantastic. Another reason not to get involved with carriers. DEPSITE BEING FULLY FKIN TRAINED....
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Trass
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Posted - 2007.11.23 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Trass on 23/11/2007 11:20:23
Originally by: IMinYOURforums
Originally by: zacuis u didnt get the memo?!! this is the kill gallente patch.
come on they were way too overpowered any way !
sarcasm anyone ?
So you're saying they weren't overpowered? Hmm.
Best race in game is Minmatar. they have best Recon, best Hac, best Cov-Ops and soon best BS (Typhoon, with new torps), not mentioning Interceptors or AF's (even best Frigate: Rifter or Crusier: Stabber). Minmatar weapons dont need cap, they have smallest mass, highest speeds and lowest alligning times. Best resists on shield (great for nanoships with shield extenders).
Gallente werent overpowered, before gallente nerf-patch changes, Minmatar was better. After that patch, gal will be in same place vs minmatar as amarr.
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Chronos VIII
Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.23 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Trass Edited by: Trass on 23/11/2007 11:30:15
Originally by: IMinYOURforums
Originally by: zacuis u didnt get the memo?!! this is the kill gallente patch.
come on they were way too overpowered any way !
sarcasm anyone ?
So you're saying they weren't overpowered? Hmm.
Best race in game is Minmatar. they have best Recon, best Hac, best Cov-Ops and soon best BS (Typhoon, with new torps), not mentioning Interceptors or AF's (even best Frigate: Rifter or Crusier: Stabber). Minmatar weapons dont need cap, they have smallest mass, highest speeds and lowest alligning times. Best resists on shield in t2 ships (great for nanoships with shield extenders).
Gallente werent overpowered, before gallente nerf-patch changes, Minmatar was better. After that patch, gal will be in same place vs minmatar as amarr.
Sorry trass but this is bull****. Gallente were overpowered and they are still a very very good race to fly compared to the other races. I seriously doubt that minmatar is the best race ingame atm as well. Recon: I agree, rapier/huginn are pure pwn. On the other hand a lachesis/arazu is pretty useful in gangs. Battleship: You gotta be kidding. The mega is the ultimate solo pwn mobile, so is the domi. Hac: Debateable.The vaga is awesome for hit and run tactics, but the ishtar/deimos are very good dps ships. Inties: Taranis > all imo. Chronos
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.11.23 12:42:00 -
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Guys you're getting off topic...
The question is why they should be bigger, we don't care what ship is better, it will get nerfed at some point. Increasing volume of some ships over others is just saying to people using carriers to move ships : Do not use gallente ships in 0.0!
Why? -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.11.23 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: zacuis u didnt get the memo?!! this is the kill gallente patch.
come on they were way too overpowered any way !
sarcasm anyone ?
just shows how extremely overpowered they have been allowed to be
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.11.23 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: Tarsyris
Originally by: Fanjita
maybe they should put gallente ships dronebays in line with the other races maybe reducing the size of there dronebay would give them smaller mass?
Wow, that's a pretty dumb post even by EVE-O standards.
i was following the same vein as the original post
What did your family think when your mother married her brother?
you should seriusly get a perma ban for this comment!
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.11.23 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
mother + brother comment
Personal attacks are not allowed in forums. You will get most likely warning or ban for it so if I would you I would remove it before mods stumble upon it.
As far general ship size goes then it seems indeed a bit gimped that there is only 2 ships you can squeeze in only one, but then again we dont need same ships with just different skins.
Solution is very simple tho for you problem. Carry gallente + some other race smaller battleship. And there you go ... 2 battleships in the hold. If it's 'for corp op' as you claim then you will need to do many trips anyway.
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Minmatar Citizen 4521577
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Posted - 2007.11.23 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: Tarsyris
Originally by: Fanjita
maybe they should put gallente ships dronebays in line with the other races maybe reducing the size of there dronebay would give them smaller mass?
Wow, that's a pretty dumb post even by EVE-O standards.
i was following the same vein as the original post
What did your family think when your mother married her brother?
It was relieved knowing that it was impossible that he'd turn out as much as an idiot as you. WTF is up with personal attacks.....
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shemesta
Minmatar S.A.S Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.11.23 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 4521577
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: Tarsyris
Originally by: Fanjita
maybe they should put gallente ships dronebays in line with the other races maybe reducing the size of there dronebay would give them smaller mass?
Wow, that's a pretty dumb post even by EVE-O standards.
i was following the same vein as the original post
What did your family think when your mother married her brother?
It was relieved knowing that it was impossible that he'd turn out as much as an idiot as you. WTF is up with personal attacks.....
It was overly dumb, the OP was talking about VOLUME not MASS anyways. So, yeah, even by EVE-O standards--that was really dumb. And if my mother were as ugly as his, the only one willing to marry her would be her son.
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Eka Maladay
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Posted - 2007.11.23 19:29:00 -
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I suppose when people get upset personal attack will happens.
Not saying that personal attack is the proper method to handle this but this change is obviously upsetting as it pretty much spell "unfair".
I would like to see a list of volume for ships myself and the percentage of increase over other race in the same ship class, but if it is anything over 5% it is definitely unbalanced.
Saying drone space have something to do with volume is just utterly moronic. How about give us some launcher hard point and missile bonus? How about give us some speed bonus and Capacitor bonus?
Gallente in average have more drone and favorite blaster but have a low long range/ mid range dps. That is how Gallente fight. If this create unbalance it means the gaming method need to be changed. IE, correct the on-off flaw of web range (having something be 100% below 10km and 0% on 10.1km is just wrong) increase scramble range and lock range to make 20 - 40 km encounter possible, make gate jump spawn out to 18 km instead of 12 km from gate, etc etc. NOT changing the individal race to make them suffers even though they do exactly what they where designed to do.
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SIR PRIME
Minmatar An Tir
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Posted - 2007.11.24 12:37:00 -
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Ummh unless they changed things in the last 2 weeks amarr are in the same situation after sisi so might want to cross check those stats.
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zacuis
Great Big Research
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Posted - 2007.11.24 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Buyerr
Originally by: zacuis u didnt get the memo?!! this is the kill gallente patch.
come on they were way too overpowered any way !
sarcasm anyone ?
just shows how extremely overpowered they have been allowed to be
dude i have 4 accounts 1 trained in each race and i for one think gall is not over powered. this patch has made repeated nerfs to gallente. this is just one of them it goes to far they are nerfing them to death. i didnt actually fly my gall toon all that much as it was i think ill barly touch him now
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James Duar
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.25 08:08:00 -
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Hey guys, this has nothing to do with the relative power of each race and everything to do with the completely random nerf this is - racial battleships of the same tier should have the same volume.
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Delta3000
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.11.25 11:06:00 -
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EVE Online. "Dragging racism, kicking and screaming into the 21st Century and into your internet."
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente Imperium Forces United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.25 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Delta3000 EVE Online. "Dragging racism, kicking and screaming into the 21st Century and into your internet."
Pure win! :)
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Jimbob McKracken
Caldari The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.25 15:22:00 -
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Caldari ships are made of tinfoil beneath their shields yet have a higher mass than gallente ships, even though the gallente have more armour than the US tank division.
Maybe the armor doesn't fold well inside the carriers space folding hanger thingo's
or something..........
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