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ZerKar
Caldari Zen'Tar
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Posted - 2007.11.23 08:37:00 -
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All I would say is that now you know the true character of your "Friend". Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. You should have acted all appricative about the good fight, lured him into a false sense of security that you were still his friend, and then paid him back in full for his back stabbing tretchery. After all, that would have been the proper reward for his dishonor. +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...!
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Anvalor
Gallente Germania Inc. D0GMA
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Posted - 2007.11.23 08:48:00 -
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Of course it is only a game but i have one question for you guys who think they would attack everyone, even friends. Lets say you have a brother or a really good RL friend and he was trying to get the money together for a carrier which took him quite some time. Would you betray him just for fun or for the killmail ?
Or what about if you earned the money hard over some time and your RL friend betrays you ingame. Would you just laugh about it and say its a game? I think you would if you have much money but what if you do not have much money. Would you still laugh about it and just start from scratch again ?
I am not talking about in game friends that you meet a few times. I am talking about RL friends.
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.23 10:14:00 -
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If he purposely placed himself on the opposite sides, yes.
Then again, why would a RL friend enter a enemy alliance / corp if he didn't expect to be shot on sight ? I wouldn't "trick" him though, by that I mean that if I run into him using game mechanics, I'll shoot. But I won't use the fact that I know him to set a trap for him.
Eve is a game, that means that real life stuff should be kept outside of the game.
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RaTTuS
BIG Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.11.23 10:34:00 -
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As Overur Says at the FanFest
'Can't we all be friends'
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2007.11.23 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria It IS just a game though. ... Are you saying you wouldn't shoot your friend if you were playing Counterstrike?
Game or not, you invest real time into it.
Tell me, how much time does it cost you to get the best weapon in Counterstrike? How much time in Eve?
Now please explain to me how the two are the same.
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Originally by: Neth'Rae If you are going to kill someone, and then you warp in and you see some guy you know and he tells the others to stop shooting and start repairing your ship, what the hell are you supposed to do, you don't just abandon the plan
I suppose I'd say "thanks" and "Sorry guys, but I'm afraid we're on opposite sides. Don't take it personally.", instead of laughing in their face and taunting them. Which seems to be what that so-called "friend" did. -------------------------------------------------- I'm a rich person. How I know? I can afford to be a miner. |
Jallem Sims
Minmatar Exploring Blind
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Posted - 2007.11.23 12:07:00 -
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i read the op.. and all the threads.....
tbh... i think the neut jump in is a bad trick.... but then thats what NBSI means. You had 2 CARRIERS out!! if any neut red turned up in local with carriers or anything large flying around that cost lots of money, get it safe! its a simple rule right?
You were kind and good for your actions as any friend would be, but you will have to accept that the tactic worked... and it was a good one! for maybe he knew he could exploit it? If you see him again and he is neut or red.... you will probably shoot him and then gf each other afterwards, maybe share setups and joke how long you have been planning your revenge :P
its a good game, you meet good people, and we all use good tactics to beat each other.... thats why its a game. YOu will have to give him a sly pat on the back and call him names for such a underhand trick(tactic).
sorry you lost carriers... they are expensive, but you will probably make them safe next time around when you see local change from any other color than blue!
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.11.23 12:29:00 -
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I was scouting for a toxin gang that blew up darth soon after I left celes. I still feel bad, bloody 0utbreakers egging me on! Wasn't my fault!! [Balance] The Caldari problem. |
Gefex
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Posted - 2007.11.23 12:36:00 -
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It's the ability to do things like this that make EVE great.
Plus I bet the Carriers dropped nice loots
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.11.23 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gefex It's the ability to do things like this that make EVE great.
Plus I bet the Carriers dropped nice loots
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Kao Lei
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Posted - 2007.11.23 12:44:00 -
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In Lowsec, I'm always carefull when an old friend shows up in my belt. I won't attack him but I take into account he might shoot anyway. Better be safe then sorry.
On the other hand, when I'm in a gang and we jump in on some friends of me, I'm not gonna call the attack off but I also won't help killing them (unless it's a 2-3 man gang, then I'll call it off).
In this case, as he was the only one that warped in on the carriers, he could have said to his cap fleet that the targets warped off before he could drop the cyno. I can only say that the friendship between you two means something to you but not to him. I guess that's EVE though.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.11.23 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 23/11/2007 13:05:32 It's a videogame. You have no friends. You have temporary allies at best.
Odds are you won't talk to 99% of these people when you stop playing EVE or move corp. EVE RELATED CONTENT |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.23 13:54:00 -
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I am sorry to hear your frustrations, el toppolino. ;(
Friends stabbing friends are kind of the sad but this game promotes that kind of social behavior. The way I see it, I don't really think you can make friends in this game. Today you are their friend, tomorrow you are their victim.
The theme of the game is you need enemies, not friends. Kind of the sad but it is the truth. :s --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.23 14:09:00 -
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Ok, so the OP is gatecamping in low sec with 2 carriers and a dread. Along comes a guy he hasn't spoken to for ages and several caps are dropped on the carriers.
The only dodgy thing in this scenario is the camping of low sec gates with capital ships
The dominix pilot in question here, makes a habit of looking for them. He didn't just happen to a have a cyno fitted, and dropped it because you shot at him. You were scouted, and they sent the bait cyno in.
There is no question of honour here. If a member of gang refused to shoot a target because "it was his freind" I would kick him from gang and call him a soppy fool
You can chat and kill each other
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.11.23 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hanno Mir Isnt this exactly what Eve is about? Backstabbing your friends, scams and stealing things, its all part of the game isnt it? You've known him for three years but that cant stop him from wanting to play the game the way he does.
You are wrong. EVE is not all that about. These are just open routes IF you wish to follow. Above all in EVE there is a reputation following you (your character anyway).
@Cailais That was a contract undertaken by GHSC. Nothing more and nothing less. They executed a well thought plan just like in real life every merc company would do. Same thing MC is doing (only through a different angle). And they got paid for it by their client.
Don't compare it with this incident.
@Kao Lei Better than sorry.
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Minmatar Citizen 4521577
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Posted - 2007.11.23 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Treean EvE is not counterstrike. Comparing the two is akin to comparing apples and oranges. Death means nothing in counterstrike as you respawn instantly with no penalty. EvE is very different. It's more like sabotaging a friend's career because it gets you ahead.
It's only a career!
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.23 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/11/2007 14:46:53
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: Cadela Fria It IS just a game though. ... Are you saying you wouldn't shoot your friend if you were playing Counterstrike?
Game or not, you invest real time into it.
Tell me, how much time does it cost you to get the best weapon in Counterstrike? How much time in Eve?
Now please explain to me how the two are the same.
Quite simple..the point of both games is to kill each other. I know counterstrike is not a good comparison to EVE if you go into their technical details, but it comes down to the same principle, killing each other regardless of your real life relationship.
The amount of time invested is irrelevant. It's what you do with that time that matters.
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el toppolino
Caldari Fury Corporation FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.11.23 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: el toppolino on 23/11/2007 17:02:15 who said we were gate camping doh doh....it was more like we got attacked and send in the carrier to help...attacked by 12 blinkys. the domi friend was wondering around for caps i am pretty sure. as i said i would do the same. but if i would meet him in low sec the least thing i would think of is dropping the cyno on him. even more when you get remote repped and told in local we dont attack...we just acted friendly and the return is the extreme opposite. thats the sad part.
so bottom line what i would think in this moment is:
hm ok blinky caps -> old friend -> not hostile to me -> nogo
but thats me/us
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2007.11.23 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria Quite simple..the point of both games is to kill each other.
Is it? CS, probably yes. But Eve? It is one of a many possible goals, yes, but neither the only nor the ultimate one.
Quote: The amount of time invested is irrelevant. It's what you do with that time that matters.
Earning money to acquire a big ship? Is that so meaningless that a careless "it's only a game" can make up for it? I'm not saying that destruction (in this game) is bad. But why pretend it doesn't matter? -------------------------------------------------- I'm a rich person. How I know? I can afford to be a miner. |
Armoured C
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.11.23 17:42:00 -
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you should always be ready to kill your friends incase they annoy you in a fleet so then you can just shoot them :)
this is understandable of your situation but you have to remember it a game and in low sec / 0.0 it every man, dog and corp for himself in the end
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el toppolino
Caldari Fury Corporation FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.11.23 18:14:00 -
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i can thear it anymore...like 50% of the answers have the opinion:
- dont trust anybody - its a game give a **** on relationships - and other crap
this could mean you kinda accept that normal social behaviour is not existing in online gaming, the famous second person of yourself in the virtual world that can do anything without consequences. so short answers of those 50% should be: its your fault as you trusted in a person you fool.
thats resignation and i cant accept that. eve is a game but its the most intense game when it comes to realtionships, your name in the game, the e-pen, all that stuff.
i see a things matching this basic thought ( its all your fault dont point on others) theory in RL also:
a lot of ppl also think in economy you can do whatever you want if it helps your business. you might get called a good business man cause you have success. but those who dont forget the social part and have a bit of moral and public responsability earn my respect. ingame and RL.
those you accept it forget maybe what social is and jsut accept the bad part of human mankind. your loss.
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Armoured C
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.11.23 18:15:00 -
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agreed .... wait i think so @.@ confused
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.23 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: el toppolino i can thear it anymore...like 50% of the answers have the opinion:
- dont trust anybody - its a game give a **** on relationships - and other crap
this could mean you kinda accept that normal social behaviour is not existing in online gaming, the famous second person of yourself in the virtual world that can do anything without consequences. so short answers of those 50% should be: its your fault as you trusted in a person you fool.
thats resignation and i cant accept that. eve is a game but its the most intense game when it comes to realtionships, your name in the game, the e-pen, all that stuff.
i see a things matching this basic thought ( its all your fault dont point on others) theory in RL also:
a lot of ppl also think in economy you can do whatever you want if it helps your business. you might get called a good business man cause you have success. but those who dont forget the social part and have a bit of moral and public responsability earn my respect. ingame and RL.
those you accept it forget maybe what social is and jsut accept the bad part of human mankind. your loss.
wether you "accept" it or not, it is a fact just because someone is friendly does not mean they won't blow you upI won't say trust no one, because there ARE plenty of trustworthy people, and they outnumber the untrustworthy by far (you just dont see a million posts a day about how that one guy you passed in .3 didnt blow you up) but you DO have to be careful who you trust, in real life or EvE
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Snake Doctor
MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.11.23 18:30:00 -
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I dunno--- I attack WCPistolPete daily, and he's IN my corp.
Just remember that if it's not blue, it might kill you.
..Even if it is, turn your tank on.
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el toppolino
Caldari Fury Corporation FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.11.23 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Doctor I dunno--- I attack WCPistolPete daily, and he's IN my corp.
Just remember that if it's not blue, it might kill you.
..Even if it is, turn your tank on.
next post will speak for the scammers.. they are ok its your fault when you fall to them.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.11.23 19:52:00 -
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Clearcut, he's not a friend anymore, just add him to the ****list and get him next time.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Yuki Santara
Caldari Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu
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Posted - 2007.11.23 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: el toppolino i can thear it anymore...like 50% of the answers have the opinion:
- dont trust anybody - its a game give a **** on relationships - and other crap
this could mean you kinda accept that normal social behaviour is not existing in online gaming, the famous second person of yourself in the virtual world that can do anything without consequences. so short answers of those 50% should be: its your fault as you trusted in a person you fool.
thats resignation and i cant accept that. eve is a game but its the most intense game when it comes to realtionships, your name in the game, the e-pen, all that stuff.
i see a things matching this basic thought ( its all your fault dont point on others) theory in RL also:
a lot of ppl also think in economy you can do whatever you want if it helps your business. you might get called a good business man cause you have success. but those who dont forget the social part and have a bit of moral and public responsability earn my respect. ingame and RL.
those you accept it forget maybe what social is and jsut accept the bad part of human mankind. your loss.
I also don't agree with many of the replies. However, social behaviour is based on reputation, both in the game and in life. Just see how much success Google had with their "don't be evil" mantra, suddenly every company wants to be the cute and fluffy one (heck the entire Caldari State is based on these grounds). If you are careful, you can still trust people when you have a good reason to trust them. You just shouldn't trust everyone by default.
The suspect will have to face the consequences of his actions, namely less trust put into him by you or anyone else who witnessed the situation.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.11.23 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: el toppolino i can thear it anymore...like 50% of the answers have the opinion:
- dont trust anybody - its a game give a **** on relationships - and other crap
this could mean you kinda accept that normal social behaviour is not existing in online gaming, the famous second person of yourself in the virtual world that can do anything without consequences. so short answers of those 50% should be: its your fault as you trusted in a person you fool.
thats resignation and i cant accept that. eve is a game but its the most intense game when it comes to realtionships, your name in the game, the e-pen, all that stuff.
i see a things matching this basic thought ( its all your fault dont point on others) theory in RL also:
a lot of ppl also think in economy you can do whatever you want if it helps your business. you might get called a good business man cause you have success. but those who dont forget the social part and have a bit of moral and public responsability earn my respect. ingame and RL.
those you accept it forget maybe what social is and jsut accept the bad part of human mankind. your loss.
Trust people only as far as they have something to gain by being trustworthy or something to lose by being untrustworthy.
Now you did identify a couple of those things (your name in the game, respect blah blah) but you're making two errors in expecting that to be the thing that motivates everyone. Even if people do subscribe to similar notions of honour or whatever they might have quite different notions of that. In fact I'd say most people had pretty self serving concepts of honour that made them look good and other people look bad. You're also assuming that people have such a thing to begin with.
Doesn't sound to me like your "friend" gives two ****s what you think of him
And like I was saying... it's only a computer game. People might not particularly give a **** what people think of them provided they win. There are no moral victories.
I threw in my comment about "You have no friends ingame" because I'd hate you to think you were investing your time in actual friendships with people just because you knew people to say hello to ingame. EVE RELATED CONTENT |
el toppolino
Caldari Fury Corporation FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.11.23 23:05:00 -
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yes and no.
if i flew with somebody long and know him long.. there is no need for me to kill him only cause he is juicy in a particular moment. i am not dreaming or wearing pink glasses. there are enough ppl out there for me to kill before i lay hands on somebody i know for long just because he is juicy and cause its only a game. also i wuld think twice when i see the poor soul repping my armor lol. thats my view. there is truth in most answers some are sad but true. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) Fury Website |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.23 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 23/11/2007 23:19:48 el toppolino, come on say it out. :)
I want to hear it, I know you want to say it. Hehehe, come on, don't be shy, say it out.
I know you have been grieved but kind of the sad, this is a griefers' game and it promotes grieving. GrieVe-online, oh the pun. :)
Honestly, would you say you have been grieved in this situation? Anyway, in the future you won't trust anyone anymore. It is kind of the sad because when there is no trust, there are no friends and the game goes downhill. :s
My 0.01 ISK. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.11.24 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Stop posting -
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