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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:53:00 -
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This is a great idea for the smaller corporations out there that don't have the resources for an external forum. Hopefully, this will help them get better organized and enjoy the game more.
+1 On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:54:00 -
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Hey, ex-Viking dudes!
You can make this into a small money sink (which, you know, EVE needs more of...).
Currently I pay 80M ISK a month for a forum system my corp can use. It has a lot of functions, but is difficult to administrate.
Some things your system does not appear to do:
1. More sub-forums for members, divided along topics. I'd like two Off-Topic in-corp rooms for instance, one for English off-topic and one for Danish off-topic, and forums for discussing specific topics such as fittings, corporate defence strategy (who we can provoke into war-deccing us so we can get a little PVP experience, e.g.), finances (corp income and expenses). I'd also like a clear (icon-based, i.e. a flag graphic) indicator for each indivdual sub-forum, indicating which one language is appropriate to use in it. 2. A sub-forum for Associate Members, meaning those who have requested membership of my corp but who need to prove themselves first, before they get actual membership. Plus a few people who don't want membership but whom we still trust quite a lot (I've set my personal standing to these two guys to +10). Note these guys are members of other corps but I'd like them to have posting access to one of my corp's many sub-forums. 3. Another sub-forum for less safety-sensitive activities. I occasioanlly run some mining ops in high sec (for Danish-speaking players only), and while I want all corp members and everyone from item #2 above to know about this, there is a further list of people (who are also not members of my corp) who should also have posting acces to this (the Mining Ops) forum.
So, your 3-way-split simply isn't ambitious enough. I want more. Currently I'm paying for "more", but if you can give me my "more" for a reasonble price, I'd be very happy. (Note that that reasonable price could well be a bit more than 80M ISK /month; I'm quite willing to pay for an easy-to-use interface.)
edit: Expanding on item #1 above, some corps may want to have some sub-forums where multiple languages are allowed, e.g. I can easily envision a Scandinavian corp where in most forums all of Danish, Norwegian and Swedish is allowed. So the corp's forum boss needs to be able to enable multiple flag icons. (I've also clarified item #2 above slightly.) |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
23
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:57:00 -
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Orisa Medeem wrote:Guys, please consider implementing forum pools.
What is a forum pool?
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
887
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:59:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Orisa Medeem wrote:Guys, please consider implementing forum pools. What is a forum pool? It is like poll with a clerical error
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islador
Frontier Explorer's League The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.31 18:19:00 -
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I love that you guys are finally putting up corp forums, that is just awesome! I am impressed, but sadly what is really needed is alliance forums, so I hope you guys are willing to expand there next.
The role based access is awesome as well, but roles are heavily limited in EVE, and many corps, mine included, use titles more then roles. The current forums are functionally useless for my corp for this very reason, but I love that you're going in this direction. |
FeralShadow
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
47
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Posted - 2012.01.31 18:26:00 -
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Awesome, I like. Any excuse to go to fewer websites during my daily routine.
Also: <(^_^<) (^-_-^) (>O_O)> |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
292
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Posted - 2012.01.31 18:30:00 -
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Maxwell Albritten wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote: Don't worry - they will... and I could as well be that 13 year old girl. What is wrong at being 13 and girl anyway? Are you racist?
Confirming I'm racist against 13-year-olds (regardless of gender). Ageism. They make names up for anything these days. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
721
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Posted - 2012.01.31 18:31:00 -
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A few questions: - Does this mean that you fixed the whole forum-post-eating thing? - Can we click-drag to reorder the forums so that the ones I want to see are at the top? - You should be able to delete your corp forums. -_- - You should be able to create additional forums for things like corp fittings.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
306
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Posted - 2012.01.31 18:35:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Did I overlook something? Let me know if you've got further questions and I'll check in later. Right now my stomach is trying to convince me it's dinner time and It's making some pretty solid arguments. ....no. I think you answered every previous question. A+ on the communication CCP... All GëíGêçGëí Ships | GëíGêçGëí - sñÜpüÅpü«sÑçsªÖpü¬péópéñpâåpâá | <-- Links to ShowInfo in-game
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
399
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Posted - 2012.01.31 18:47:00 -
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Nice, will you add a killboard next? Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
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islador
Frontier Explorer's League The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:03:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Nice, will you add a killboard next?
oh dear god yes, a CCP global killboard, that would be nuts. Set it up so it eats off a master API, parses out rat kills and concord kills into separate boards and auto-classifies everything's location for two hours. Tie in the regional market API for where it was killed, along with a separate column for the Jita market values. I don't know if CCP has a running contract price API yet, but tying that in for faction items would be bloody awesome. That whole thing would be incredibly awesome. |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
1643
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:03:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Nice, will you add a killboard next?
An official EVE killboard is a much discussed topic over here. No promises whatsoever, but it is being looked into and discussed as part of our plans moving forward. Along with a lot of other things of course.
Don't quote me on that. Ok who am I kidding, there's even a button for quoting me on that. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
721
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:15:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Nice, will you add a killboard next? An official EVE killboard is a much discussed topic over here. No promises whatsoever, but it is being looked into and discussed as part of our plans moving forward. Along with a lot of other things of course. Don't quote me on that. Ok who am I kidding, there's even a button for quoting me on that.
You mean this button? Also: if you implement an official KB, please allow people to opt out. :)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
186
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:16:00 -
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WH and Incursions forum sections Someone had to ask Devpost icon at the top of page so the F5 key does not get warn out refreshing the dev post search. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
399
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:48:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Also: if you implement an official KB, please allow people to opt out. :)
-Liang Sure if both the killer and the killed is opted out why not, but if either is subscribed the kill should show up. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
325
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:55:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:I am truly confused by this. It seems to me a neat, but functionally useless feature.
There is FAR to much emphasis placed at CCP on the whole "Corp" concept. It is my understanding that the vast majority of corps sit at around the 10 member mark and never get any bigger. There are lots of explanations as to why this may be so, but I am pretty sure that the reason they don't get larger isn't a lack of forum options. The fact is that corp communication isn't generally an issue, and by the time it does become an issue, it isn't corp communications you are worrying about, but rather Alliance and Coalition communication!
The issue is this, if you are a corp that is using the CCP forums, you are going to have a harder time when you join an Alliance or Coalition. You can't share those CCP forums with your Alliance, you can't allow access to portions to blues or your Coalition members and worse, it locks all your data into a nice proprietary CCP owned data store and you can't easily access it. It is a good idea, but doesn't seem thought through.
The reality here is that we need tools to help communicate to the people we play with, and CCP doesn't seem to realize that "Corp" isn't the end all and be all of that definition. What I would like to see is a standard permissions system. Use the user as the user object, Alliance/Corp as your first groups (make it so you have custom groups as well) and adopt a rights model like Exchange with various user roles and permissions. I want to be able to share my cache of fits with more than just the people in my corp.
This goes much further.. I want ways to integrate Jabber into EVE.. I want ways to integrate TeamSpeak and Mumble. A competent alliance will have Forums, Jabber, TeamSpeak/Mumble all tied into an auth system that assigns permissions based off API and checking against standings. That is just the BASICS. I really want CCP to realize that there is significant out of game IT resources required to create and maintain a functioning Alliance in EVE, I would like to see CCP dedicate some resources to reducing that over-head.
I don't see this as helping as it replaces a fully functional, if complex and difficult, system, with one that is crippled in the very ways I need it most (Auth and sharing info outside of just the corp level). I applaud the effort, I just think it could be better spent finding ways to make all those services play together better, and more easily integrate with EVE.
CCPs corporation forums isn't meant to replace external alliance/corporation tools. It is meant as an easy alternative for new/small corporations which do not have the resources/manpower to make the external tools work. It's effectively free hosting, except most likely more secure. And if someone DOES hack your forums, they have effectively also hacked CCP - which means that alliances/corporations which resort to this sort of metagaming risk getting themselves banned from the game.
And you CAN transfer CCPs corp forums over to your external forums. All you have to do is write a script which crawls your CCP provided corp forums and exports the forum posts in a format of your choosing. How do you think Chribba gets EVE-search to work? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3040
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:02:00 -
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Okay
What if I posted a link of a post to somewhere, can anyone else outside the corp see it or would that be secured?
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
108
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:05:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Nice, will you add a killboard next? An official EVE killboard is a much discussed topic over here. No promises whatsoever, but it is being looked into and discussed as part of our plans moving forward. Along with a lot of other things of course. Don't quote me on that. Ok who am I kidding, there's even a button for quoting me on that.
\o/ I hope this will include all past kills as well, as eve-kill seems to have lost a lot of my old ones after a database problem :( also a feed option for those that wish to host our own killboards just so we can add fancy themes that highlight how awesome we truely are (please god nobody go look at mine...).
As for opt out, like someone else said, as long as it's both parties. However, I'd like to see old killmails kept and simply hidden if both parties are opted out. This way if one party opts in at some point in the future all their old mails won't be lost to time.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
729
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:21:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Also: if you implement an official KB, please allow people to opt out. :)
-Liang Sure if both the killer and the killed is opted out why not, but if either is subscribed the kill should show up.
I would have argued for an 'or' relationship, personally - or perhaps the entire burden to fall on the killer.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
1771
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:42:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Also: if you implement an official KB, please allow people to opt out. :)
-Liang Sure if both the killer and the killed is opted out why not, but if either is subscribed the kill should show up.
All it has to do is accept kill/loss mails from sources who have given permission for it just like in the current system. With PvP kills the end result is exactly what you want, since almost all killers will likely want to boast about any kills they scored. It's just that not everyone wants to participate in every aspect of an official KB system or wants every embarassing NPC death to go on public record. It therefore makes sense to make the official KB system an opt-in system, so people who want to be a part of it can click a button and have all their kills and losses automatically recorded there.
The people who don't want to participate, only get automaticly posted through the mails of the people who opted-in and don't have to ragequit over CCP taking options away from them in an effort to cater to griefing psychopaths(You know people will go there). Point being not retaining the current choices will just needlesly aggrevate some people and retaining those options doesn't hamper the function of an official KB. |
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Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
45
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:09:00 -
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Hilarious. Let's see how many worthwhile corps and alliances are prepared to let CCP see their dirty secrets.
Answer. None. |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
45
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:14:00 -
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JUST WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR!
A corp forum I can get banned from Eve from if I decide to use a racial or homo erotic epiphet. Yeah, no thanks. I like my N-words and my F-words. CCP don't. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:14:00 -
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So this will allow CCP to spy on their player base so that they can finally get an idea what is happening in their own game. (Hint: Winners don't talk about RMT on a CCP sponsored forum).
That said, DUST members in EvE corps, this could get interesting. |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
45
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:22:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:So this will allow CCP to spy on their player base so that they can finally get an idea what is happening in their own game. (Hint: Winners don't talk about RMT on a CCP sponsored forum).
That said, DUST members in EvE corps, this could get interesting.
But they promise not to, so it's ok. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:39:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:Jas Dor wrote:So this will allow CCP to spy on their player base so that they can finally get an idea what is happening in their own game. (Hint: Winners don't talk about RMT on a CCP sponsored forum).
That said, DUST members in EvE corps, this could get interesting. But they promise not to, so it's ok.
They promised that their forum staff wouldn't be reading it. They didn't say anything about marketing. Not saying this is a bad thing. CCP is probably the only major actor in the EvE universe that is not running a spy network at this point.
On the other hand there is a definite plus side that it keep corps forums clearly in game. That drastically reduces the possibilities about RL complications from metagaming. I think that is a very good thing. |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
45
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:45:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Zowie Powers wrote:Jas Dor wrote:So this will allow CCP to spy on their player base so that they can finally get an idea what is happening in their own game. (Hint: Winners don't talk about RMT on a CCP sponsored forum).
That said, DUST members in EvE corps, this could get interesting. But they promise not to, so it's ok. They promised that their forum staff wouldn't be reading it. They didn't say anything about marketing. Not saying this is a bad thing. CCP is probably the only major actor in the EvE universe that is not running a spy network at this point. On the other hand there is a definite plus side that it keep corps forums clearly in game. That drastically reduces the possibilities about RL complications from metagaming. I think that is a very good thing.
It just reminds me of the PL forum dump where Mazz "MAD AS ****" Mazziliu was getting people's RL details then promising not to use those details for anything unless she deemed it important enough.
Yeah let's all try to work out how important something has to be in Eve before you think it's ok for a crazy internet girl to threaten your children. |
Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
74
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:21:00 -
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Funny that people think that CCP couldn't spy on their eve-mails, chat channels and what else already from a server side should the need arise. Or that they think themselves so important that CCP would care enough to keep tabs on them.
You decide if it's; pride, stupidity or just being paranoid ?
Anyway we need these forums because I don't really see how you're going to connect on regular a phpBB-forum server with a gaming console unless it has a web browser that actually works, not to mention that CCP will likely have to have a some kind of control over in game interactions. With a joined forum CCP can provide an in game system for accessing forums for DUST players, not to mention that starting corps benefit from the forums as well. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
306
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:24:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:......
Did I overlook something? Let me know if you've got further questions and I'll check in later. Right now my stomach is trying to convince me it's dinner time and It's making some pretty solid arguments.
Posts editable by anyone in the corp, for say a sign up sheet. Interested members can add their name to the original post, rather than forcing the OP to read through a bunch of replies to fill out the sign up sheet.
In fact this plus suggestions from others implies that whenever someone starts a thread, they be given a few options:
[ ] This is an announcement, and no one may reply to it [ ] Only directors may reply [ ] Anyone may reply (default) [ ] Anyone may reply, anyone may edit the original post
CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Riffix
Synergistic Arbitrage
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:39:00 -
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I think this is a good addition! Myself and others have been suggesting it for years! I don't think this type of system is good for just small corps either. I spent a lot of time in a major alliance/coalition and one of the biggest pains of being part of it was having to deal with the different authentication schemes and tools, many of which just existed to verify you were a member of said alliance. Having a system that uses the same authentication scheme as the game does, complete with ties to in-game roles, is really ideal for many situations. Not to mention it takes the burden of hosting and sometimes coding off of the players. Many other tools exist on the net to do these things but players shouldn't have to rely on them to have a successful game-based experience.
CCP Guard wrote: - Letting non-corp members into the forum is a suggestion some have mentioned. It won't be possible in the first version but I can see why that would be a nice option to have. Currently this is very much tied to corporation roles as they are what's used to determine access, but our web devs are crafty and I have a whip so we'll see what happens later on. - Alliance forums are possible with some moderation to the framework we've already built and may become reality later if there's enough interest. - Many have mentioned more flexibility in regards to roles, who can do what and where. That's definitely something we can play with once the forums are out and we've had time to learn what is needed and what is wanted, as well as what we can do. - Customizable channels or custom channels. Again, something that we can look at later when we know more. It's one of the options we discussed and decided to ponder upon later.
I think interest will be tied to the features offered. For alliance forums to work it has to be flexible to allow for the way alliances run. Some have NAPS with each other and share information/contracts at some level, others are part of coalitions. Being able to allow the leaders to dictate exactly who has access is very important and should take this into consideration. Players need to be able to dictate who can do what in their forums as well as who else can manage them. Tying them into in-game roles, even if some need to be created, is the best logical choice.
CCP Guard wrote: - Stickies and polls. Stickies will be possible and I'll see about polls.
These would be nice too.
All in all this is a great start already but you will need to be serious about the features and flexibility if you want interest/usage to be serious as well.
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Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
625
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:55:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Hey all! Nice feedback so far and some good suggestions overall. Looks like this new thing will be welcomed into the world.
- Letting non-corp members into the forum is a suggestion some have mentioned. It won't be possible in the first version but I can see why that would be a nice option to have. Currently this is very much tied to corporation roles as they are what's used to determine access, but our web devs are crafty and I have a whip so we'll see what happens later on.
- Alliance forums are possible with some moderation to the framework we've already built and may become reality later if there's enough interest.
- Many have mentioned more flexibility in regards to roles, who can do what and where. That's definitely something we can play with once the forums are out and we've had time to learn what is needed and what is wanted, as well as what we can do.
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- Stickies and polls. Stickies will be possible and I'll see about polls.
#1 Whip FTW #2 Let me express ALOT of interest in alliance forums! #3 Roles are everything. We need many not just for forums but a change in game to a modular system as well. (Tho thats another topic)
CCP Guard wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Nice, will you add a killboard next? An official EVE killboard is a much discussed topic over here. No promises whatsoever, but it is being looked into and discussed as part of our plans moving forward. Along with a lot of other things of course. Don't quote me on that. Ok who am I kidding, there's even a button for quoting me on that.
YEP!
This would really help! The nine thousand other KBs are often inaccurate or delayed. This would be of GREAT help.
Liang Nuren wrote:
You mean this button? Also: if you implement an official KB, please allow people to opt out. :)
-Liang
I don't agree with an opt out. EVE is a one server game where losing your ship matters. It needs to show.
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