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TomHorn
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Posted - 2007.11.26 15:46:00 -
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Hi all
Id like to start by introducing myself, im TomHorn and ive been playing eve now for about 4months. This is my only character at the moment.
I make my money in eve by npc trading in a badger ii with 13000capacity at the moment, and sometimes setting it up for mining, so im not a big isk earner.
Currently my main goal is to complete my learning skills, 4completed logic is now being trained to lvl 5 13 days to go.
So im looking for someone interested in an investment opportunity for us both to make money.
Im looking for an investment of 1billion isk as a bankroll to play poker at eve online hold'em(chat channel)
Ill be looking to play only 1v1 games for 100mill isk down to 11mill isk which is the minimum game there
I may look to play in ring games of 5players or less winner take all, but ONLY if the investment is going well. I will nearly 100percent of the time be playing only 1v1
Profits will be paid on the last day of each month with 70percent to the investor and 30 percent to myself
If at anytime the investor wishes to have his capital returned just email me or convo me in game and money will be returned at once with profits made.
Id like to be dealing with just one investor, or a group of friends who have some surplus isk, but decided amongst themselves who is in charge of the billion isk investment.
That person will be the one i report to about the investment, and will be the person responsible for also withdrawing the investment just to keep things easy.
The only place i can direct you for character reference for me is eve online hold'em and you can question some of the bankers there dragon rose,selene d'celeste,arii smith,kiaeddz,datamine,mike vader,curzon dax
This is a high risk unsecured investment, but has a high potential for great profits.
So im looking for investors who have steel in there balls!!!
lets make some money my friends
convo or email me in game
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.26 16:07:00 -
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Can you provide a screen-name at a major site? That way we can check OPR / shark-scope and see if you're a winning player in tournaments.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.26 17:48:00 -
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the limitation to only one sponsor made one of my eyebrows refuse to stay down - putting the gist back into logistics |
Lake
The Praxis Initiative
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Posted - 2007.11.26 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: FastLearner Can you provide a screen-name at a major site? That way we can check OPR / shark-scope and see if you're a winning player in tournaments.
I suppose it shouldn't surprise me you're in to online poker...
What's to prevent him from choosing a name that's been doing well and pretending that it's him?
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.26 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lake
Originally by: FastLearner Can you provide a screen-name at a major site? That way we can check OPR / shark-scope and see if you're a winning player in tournaments.
I suppose it shouldn't surprise me you're in to online poker...
What's to prevent him from choosing a name that's been doing well and pretending that it's him?
That's as simple as asking him to sit at a table on that site (or join it as an observer on sites where observers can be IDed).
As with any IPO it's desirable for some demonstration of ability in the area the IPO is for. With Poker there's pretty easy ways to establish that for tournaments. For cash games it's a bit trickier - would have to find someone with a PT database showing a bunch of his hands in: which is way too much work.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.26 19:11:00 -
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The OP is asking for some spending money he can use here. I dunno what the stuff FL is referring too is (some sort of other poker tournament of some sort?).
Anyway, Curzon, Seleene etc won't endorse the OP in any way, the most they will be able to say is if he plays on the tables, and possibly they might have seen his play styles, tactics, skills.
If I could pick anyone to test his competency as a poker player it would be Ionia. I don't think I have met a better Hold'em player before that Ionia. And yes, we have played in those servers tens of times (I was a broker there until recently)
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.26 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic The OP is asking for some spending money he can use here. I dunno what the stuff FL is referring too is (some sort of other poker tournament of some sort?).
Anyway, Curzon, Seleene etc won't endorse the OP in any way, the most they will be able to say is if he plays on the tables, and possibly they might have seen his play styles, tactics, skills.
If I could pick anyone to test his competency as a poker player it would be Ionia. I don't think I have met a better Hold'em player before that Ionia. And yes, we have played in those servers tens of times (I was a broker there until recently)
What I was talking about was whether he played poker for real cash on "proper" poker sites. If so, then his competence could be assessed from stats - as there's a few different sites around which allow for checking on players' records.
The tournaments described in the topic you link are single-table tournaments: which are commonly known as "Sit'n'gos" on RL cahs poker sites (as they aren't scheduled - you just sit down and when enough people are in the game "gos"). Again, there are sites to check stats for these - IF the OP actually plays poker for RL cash on the major online sites.
When judging someone's poker ability I'd rather look at hard stats than take someone else's opinion.
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TomHorn
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Posted - 2007.11.26 21:04:00 -
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Id like to thankyou all for looking at my investment idea, i have my first investor, i didnt ask him if i could disclose his name so i will keep it confidential.If he wishes to post and announce himself that is up to him.
He didnt mention when we played our 1v1 game in the poker channel that he had seen my investment idea. That was a good away as any to find out if i was worth investing in. Id like to thank him once more for investing in me.
Profits will be posted on here at the end of each month and paid out to investor at the end of each month. starting from 31dec07
Not accepting anymore applications for investment until current investor withdraws his capital.
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TomHorn
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Posted - 2007.11.28 14:40:00 -
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We now have a new investment opportunity "The one off Game Plan" please check it out
convo or email me if you are interested or post your requirements on here for your game and i will do my best to get back to you as soon as possible
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.28 15:10:00 -
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You either lost all of player 1's money, or there wasn't a real player 1 and you artificially created him to boost your operation. Either way this is an epic fail
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TomHorn
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Posted - 2007.11.29 12:52:00 -
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Yesterday i edited the title of my post, i woke up with a new idea i thought id share with you and wanted to state on the title that i was not looking for a billion investment any more because the plan has a backer. I edited it to say the 1 billion isk investment was now closed. I choose the wrong words. I should of said the investment is [sold out] for the time being.
Id like to apologise for any misunderstanding
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TomHorn
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Posted - 2007.12.19 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: TomHorn on 19/12/2007 19:00:54 Edited by: TomHorn on 19/12/2007 18:58:13 Due to the festive period no more financial investments will be made until the first week in January starting Monday 31 dec 07.
From the 26Nov07 to the 18Dec07 the 1bill investment plan has shown 10.35 percent growth making profits of 103,500,000 isk dec07
70 percent going to the investor 72,450,000isk
72,450,000isk has been sent today as profits to the investor for december.
As the full 1billion isk investment was made buy one investor he has recvd the full 70 percent profits to himself.
A 30percent handling fee charged by me for handling the investment has been recvd by me totaling 31,050,000 for dec07
Update on the 1 off game plan, there has been no interest at all to present in this plan. Profits above relate to the 1billion isk investment.
Finally id like to wish everyone who contributes to the the market discussion forum a Merry Christmas and Best Wishes for the New Year
Kind regards TomHorn
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.12.19 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic The OP is asking for some spending money he can use here. I dunno what the stuff FL is referring too is (some sort of other poker tournament of some sort?).
Anyway, Curzon, Seleene etc won't endorse the OP in any way, the most they will be able to say is if he plays on the tables, and possibly they might have seen his play styles, tactics, skills.
If I could pick anyone to test his competency as a poker player it would be Ionia. I don't think I have met a better Hold'em player before that Ionia. And yes, we have played in those servers tens of times (I was a broker there until recently)
I'm pretty sure I was regularly beating Ionia. And I can provide PT databases or PP HH files from my days at PartyPoker if you want 'em.
But then again, I'm not asking for investor money to play poker. That this guy is, without any of that, is... unique.
MP --
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Confuzer
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.12.20 11:00:00 -
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Only 100 mil profit in such a long time? I can make much more of 1 bil with 10 minutes a day "playtime"... ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved. |
TomHorn
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Posted - 2007.12.20 13:25:00 -
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Just recvd an email from my investor today id like to share with you all
Im copying what he said to me.Im not very good with computers so i dont know if it would of been possible to take the email and post it on here. Also there a little bit that i wouldnt want to show so thats another reason for copying what he said.
20.12.07 Hi Tom thanks for the report,and of course the dividend too.it's not a bad return. Iv'e had a think and for you to expand, i think you would need to open it to more people. Although it gave you an instant start, i'm not sure you having just one investor (and a non-publicity seeking one at that) is best for the growth of your plans. So if you want to up the momentum,see what alternative funding you can find. If you are liquid enough, id like to cash out now, or as soon as you can arrange it.
Good luck with things mate hope you carry on enjoying EVE.
Ive only missed out a line of the email to keep his identity anonymous as he wished.
1billion isk has now been returned.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.20 14:32:00 -
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man I am so sick of hidden backers. Well it's not so much that I am sick of them, I am just sick of people thinking they can secure their service by saying it had a previous backer.
Hell, maybe it did Maybe Nucon really does have 2 real exchange corps Maybe DragonRiderTAO has a lot of wealth growing Miss Fiona also reported many clients
I think if people are going to use this "I have lots of customers/backers/supporters/employees/whatever" then we need a person in place who can verify that there is indeed a backer and provide basic information (age of char, time in corp, size of corp, sec status, post count etc).
Until that time, it's just someone talking BS to try and make themselves look more legitimate. (note to op, you are just unlucky enough to be on the end of my rant over the way some players are dealing with things in this industry. You may or may not be legit and you may or may not have a private backer. Until such time as the backer comes forward, or a trusted person verifies their existence then no-one should invest/loan/deposit on that merit.)
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jongalt
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Posted - 2007.12.20 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic man I am so sick of hidden backers. Well it's not so much that I am sick of them, I am just sick of people thinking they can secure their service by saying it had a previous backer.
I think if people are going to use this "I have lots of customers/backers/supporters/employees/whatever" then we need a person in place who can verify that there is indeed a backer and provide basic information (age of char, time in corp, size of corp, sec status, post count etc).
LOL. let me guess - that person should be you?
-jg.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.20 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: jongalt
Originally by: Ricdic man I am so sick of hidden backers. Well it's not so much that I am sick of them, I am just sick of people thinking they can secure their service by saying it had a previous backer.
I think if people are going to use this "I have lots of customers/backers/supporters/employees/whatever" then we need a person in place who can verify that there is indeed a backer and provide basic information (age of char, time in corp, size of corp, sec status, post count etc).
LOL. let me guess - that person should be you?
-jg.
Hardly. I could probably pick 30 regulars in this channel who would be able to do the job. It isn't exactly hard nor is it something that requires the utmost trust (we are talking about saying who finances your operation, not where an unused Dysp moon is located).
I have enough on my plate as it is, but I would still like someone to take on a role such as the above.
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jongalt
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Posted - 2007.12.20 15:52:00 -
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i can see reasons why having a trusted "trust-underwriter" would be attractive. for exactly the reasons you mentioned previously.
the problem i have - and this may be "academic", albeit i think, no less valid to consider - trust is by its nature subject to doubt. otherwise its not "trust", but something else.
all forms of "Drama" (in the traditional sense, not the judy garland diva sense) revolve around the problem of "trust" and its betrayal. its a very basic, human "problem". its not something one can "solve" in the way one solves for x, or in the way one creates a formal, documented legal contract. (at least, i dont think so.) people break contracts all the time. human relationships arent equations or aspects of equations - unless you are sociopathic and see people as "objects" to be used or manipulated - or you see relationships as a calculation, rather than something that is cultivated naturally.
but anyway, im derailing tomhorn's thread - and not for the better.
-jg.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.12.20 16:00:00 -
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Growth shows wealth to those who seek it. How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.20 16:02:00 -
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To the guy above, did you reply to someone else's post?
I would never suggest that a person's previous business dealings are a sure-fire way to instill trust. However one cannot verify prior business dealings without either the business partner coming forward or being named privately, not to ensure the person is trustworthy, but to ensure they did have a business relationship with said person as previously stated.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.12.20 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic To the guy above, did you reply to someone else's post?
I would never suggest that a person's previous business dealings are a sure-fire way to instill trust. However one cannot verify prior business dealings without either the business partner coming forward or being named privately, not to ensure the person is trustworthy, but to ensure they did have a business relationship with said person as previously stated.
Your statement is confirmed. How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
FastLearner
Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.20 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic man I am so sick of hidden backers. Well it's not so much that I am sick of them, I am just sick of people thinking they can secure their service by saying it had a previous backer.
Hell, maybe it did Maybe Nucon really does have 2 real exchange corps Maybe DragonRiderTAO has a lot of wealth growing Miss Fiona also reported many clients
I think if people are going to use this "I have lots of customers/backers/supporters/employees/whatever" then we need a person in place who can verify that there is indeed a backer and provide basic information (age of char, time in corp, size of corp, sec status, post count etc).
Until that time, it's just someone talking BS to try and make themselves look more legitimate. (note to op, you are just unlucky enough to be on the end of my rant over the way some players are dealing with things in this industry. You may or may not be legit and you may or may not have a private backer. Until such time as the backer comes forward, or a trusted person verifies their existence then no-one should invest/loan/deposit on that merit.)
It's particularly dubious when the supposed backer has the same lack of understanding of using apostophres as the person they supposedly backed.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.20 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: FastLearner It's particularly dubious when the supposed backer has the same lack of understanding of using apostophres as the person they supposedly backed.
The backer hasn't come forward thus far (a silent party) hence the point of my post. Unless you were insinuating that I was the supposed backer due to my apostrophe deficiencies, in which case I would not understand why I would be putting a whine thread in a situation that I myself caused.
I am so foncused.
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jongalt
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Posted - 2007.12.20 16:55:00 -
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i understood it to mean tomhorn fabricated the email since their "writing sytle" seemed similiar.
its possible its another variation of the spanish prisoner or bogus escrow - or a prelude to a pigeon drop.
if one wanted to interpret it as a scam - and had the time.
-jg.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.20 17:15:00 -
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I have 56 super secret squirrel backers. Of course I wont be releasing their information for fear that Ricdic will poach them. If you wish to be my 57th backer please send 666,666,666isk to my wallet to begin the process. --
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.20 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
Originally by: FastLearner It's particularly dubious when the supposed backer has the same lack of understanding of using apostophres as the person they supposedly backed.
The backer hasn't come forward thus far (a silent party) hence the point of my post. Unless you were insinuating that I was the supposed backer due to my apostrophe deficiencies, in which case I would not understand why I would be putting a whine thread in a situation that I myself caused.
I am so foncused.
I was referring to certain rather striking similarities between the OP's posts and that of the supposed backer in the quoted mail.
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TomHorn
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Posted - 2007.12.21 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: TomHorn on 21/12/2007 12:31:14 Hi all
Thankyou for all your comments.
After the first and only month of this plan i sent a report to the investor, about results and where id like us to eventually take the plan.
I thought 72,450,000isk profit for 1month for a passive investment wasnt a bad return. But to be honest i dont really know.Ive tried myself a few weeks back to invest in some shares and a bond but failed to purchase them due to them selling out.So personally ive never had any profits from a passive investment so i cant compare. But the hardened veterans of the MD community im sure know if its a good return or not for a passive investment. I was thinking most passive investments probably get you between 2-20mill a month but i dont know. Anyway for plans that gave out dividends in Dec07 i would hope mine was in the top 10.
To help you understand the investors email to me, what i said to him apart from posting results, about where i wanted us to take the plan was
i I was looking for an increase in the investment of 1bill 700mill isk to take the financial investment to a total of 2bill 700mill, where id start each month by looking to play the 50mill games at the begining of each month. The increase in bankroll was needed so i could play these games from the start of the month at what i considered an ave risk to the financial plan, any games under 50mill would be considered low to very low risk for the plan
ii I was looking for an increase in the investment of 4bill 250mill isk to take the financial investment to a total of 5bill 250mill, where id start each month by looking to play the 105mill games at the begining of each month. The increase in bankroll to do this once again was so i could play these games from the start of the month at what i considered an ave risk to the financial plan, any games under 105mill would be considered low to very low risk for this size investment.
profits on these games 50mill would be 35mill to the investor minus rake
100mill games would be 70mill to the investor per game minus rake
this is what i was advising him where i think the plan should go.
I said this obviously depends on three things
i your financial situation ii how much isk you want to place in passive investments iii how much isk you want to trust in myself
I told him i wouldnt ask for more investment again only this once, and if he wanted to at any point in the future take up any of these options to take the plan where i think we should be looking to take it just contact by email or convo me and we would go ahead and sort it out.
I told him i was quite happy to carry on as before with the 1billion investment.
Last month i started out by playing 28mill games, then i played mostly 11mill games and played a few 25mill games at the end. These size of games to the size of the investment i considered was ave to low risk to investment.And i believe we didnt have a bad start to the passive investment with profits to the investor of 72,450,000isk at the end of the first month.
Where am i at the moment regarding EVE ======================================
Well im still completing my learning skills,still npc trading,after that im going to complete my trading skills thats the plan for me.Dosent sound like alot but its amazing how long thinks take. Eve isnt about doing things quick its a massive game and ive barely scratched the surface, and im enjoying it.
ive made my first BILLION ISK infact ive got slightly over 1bill isk.
Ive been playing EVE pretty hard for the last 4 and a bit months, what are my options this is what im thinking about over the festive period.
MY OPTIONS ==========
i learning skills, npc trading, trading skills,ask for another finacial invesmtment of either
2bill 700mill to target the 50mill games or one for,
5bill 250mill to target the 105mill games.
OPTION
ii learning skills,npc trading,trading skills, afk auto pilot setting up orders etc, go back to playing poker online for a few months, going between the two things.
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TomHorn
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Posted - 2007.12.21 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: TomHorn on 21/12/2007 12:33:39 This is what im thinking about over the festive period.Good luck all flysafe
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.21 14:24:00 -
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If you walked into a bank and asked for a 50k loan so you could use it to support a gambling habit what do you think would be the answer. Whats more, you would tell the flabbergasted bank teller that you will make your repayments with profits deriven from your gambling spree.
What's more, if your gambling spree turns sour (which it will) you have no alternate income to subsidise and repay your bank. Your full-time job is gambling.
My father thinks he is a great gambler, but it's only maybe one in every 10 times that he walks out with more than he walked in with. (he doesn't use borrowed money though)
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