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ddr800
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: ddr800 on 28/11/2007 23:12:41
Quote: Star base structures outside the forccefield now receive a 99% resist bonus on their structure HP while the Tower is online. General structure hit points have been reduced so they are easier to destroy once the Star base is destroyed.
I can deal with this it means if you lose it makes it not a total pain for the winner to take over the moon or to clear an abandoned one, I was like great job or at least till I read a bit further you tried to sneak this crap in but not on my watch.
Quote: When a starbase tower is destroyed all structures dependant on that tower can now be unanchored by any pilot, note that this destroys all items located within that structure.
So what your saying here is this isnÆt about fixing the issues with players abandoned moons and others being unable to take them over this purely is pvp and pirate driven. If this was about just making it so someone can't hold a moon and force someone to shoot down the guns for hours you fixed that by reducing the hp and shield of an inactive and or not present control tower, but had to go further to cater to pvp pos pirates.
I agree the issues with abandoned pos guns in space is an issue however, creating a pirating career path should not have been its resolution and obviously caters unfairly to these players giving a huge advantage and forces everyone in empire to be on full alert and add guns to there pos. Honestly pvp should be about fun and for a reason, while greed might be a motive in some pvp situations where pos are involved it shouldnÆt be the only reason and you just did that.
I rightful call this the stupidest move this company has done since its creation, how long do you think it will take before bots are doing pos take downs vs pos empire stations with no guns? Please ask yourselves these questions; please think though your choices to many good ideas with out forethought are bad with 6-12 labs and 460-960m to be stolen wow thatÆs not going to invite bots no not at allà.
I ask all the players that agree the first nerf was enough to solve the problem with abandoned pos structures and the second one is just stupid and made to cater to pirates to sign my petition to have ccp return to its senses and remove the secound nerf unless we want pos take down bots running in empire? 24/7.
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lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:13:00 -
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POS take down bots
Uhm no, it's a fine nerf. It makes POS removal a little more worthwhile. ---
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Ask Unbeatable
Gallente HighTech Marines Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:17:00 -
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I like it, though the second one kinda makes the first one meh
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Geren Basbar
Helios Incorporated Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Geren Basbar on 28/11/2007 23:19:12 I fail to see the problem with this. Capturing POS structures sounds fun :)
What's wrong with putting guns on a POS? A POS without guns sounds like a.... carebear POS or something. You ought to put some stabs on it too.
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Athanasios Anastasiou
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Athanasios Anastasiou on 28/11/2007 23:19:53
Originally by: lofty29 POS take down bots
Uhm no, it's a fine nerf. It makes POS removal a little more worthwhile.
Didn't you hear about the belt piracy bot?
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Clinically
Gallente Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:20:00 -
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/notsigned
Excellent update, so much wasted time shooting guns after a tower is taken down, bout time this got implemented.
To the OP, if a player doesn't put guns on their POS then they are an absolute idiot and deserve to loose it.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Geren Basbar A POS without guns sounds like a.... carebear POS or something. You ought to put some stabs on it too.
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lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Athanasios Anastasiou Edited by: Athanasios Anastasiou on 28/11/2007 23:19:53
Originally by: lofty29 POS take down bots
Uhm no, it's a fine nerf. It makes POS removal a little more worthwhile.
Didn't you hear about the belt piracy bot?
I heard about the plex running bot. ---
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 28/11/2007 23:26:39 This is one of the most needed changes to go into the game for a long long time.
Here is a recent example from HED-GP.
RA siege a bob tower and destroy it. There are now mods everywhere. They petition to have the modules removed. 3 hours later they leave[which they would have never been able to do in that time otherwise]. Some time after that a GM comes in and removes the modules. Bob anchors a tower in its place.
What should have happened was that RA, having the tower down should have been able to put up a tower of their own, but they cant because of the anchored modules taking so long to destroy and being unable to be unanchored. Now that the modules are able to be removed easily it fixes this and means:
1. You can siege towers for profit
2. You dont have to stick around for hours and hours waiting for a GM to come and remove modules so you can put a POS up.
3. Less work for our overworked GMs.
If you cant defend your POS's why did you put them up?
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Commander Prishe
Caldari The LoneStar Corp Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:26:00 -
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What has your thread title got to do with the content of your post?
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ddr800
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: ddr800 on 28/11/2007 23:50:19 [ quote]2. You dont have to stick around for hours and hours waiting for a GM to come and remove modules so you can put a POS up
The first update already fixed the problem the guns are having there hp reduced and there resistances reduced by 99% when the tower pops, the second change just cater to greedy or lazy people. And was unnecessary.
Well sadly nobody sees beyond there own pockets in the near future good luck I see about a 30% decline in pos owners and about 25% increase in prices in the market as whole with in 3 months of this update due to that change, lets be honest Carebears make your stuff and if you annoy them enough they will stop making it, reality already dictates being there are not enough research and copy slots in empire to support this games economy screwing with the pos owners that support it is a big winner for ccp, ~claps~
Not like my pos doesnÆt have guns but it insures at the war decree I am unanchoring and docking it and selling it all and giving you the big fat one finger victory salute and you can spin on it all day because thatÆs all you will get. I suggest all empire poses to do the same unanchored upon war decrees of pos greed take down teams. We are going to see a few thanks to ccp genius.
Again not surprised that the responses nobody but lamer play all out pvp games anymore, so anything that makes thievery or bad acts easier is a shoe in with the majority of the players that are thugs and criminals. Most other games donÆt tolerate the things tolerated here so all the bad has centered it self around eve and I am not surprised every one wants another way to take the hard work of another unjustly.
Sure make one hit kill blasters I am sure all the pirates will love that too sounds like a great ideaà
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Asestorian
Domination. Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:51:00 -
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So wait, let me get this straight. Once a POS tower is destroyed, the modules around it are easier to destroy as well, and you can also steal them.
What's wrong with that? I'm confused about why people are complaining. How does this affect carebear POS owners? Surely if your tower is destroyed your not going to go back and get all your other stuff anyway because there will be people hanging around shooting them too. Right? Or wrong?
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ddr800
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Posted - 2007.11.29 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: ddr800 on 29/11/2007 00:14:47 You are correct in this statement the problem now is the only reason or motive they came was to steal you 6 advanced labs, bad game dynamic sorry. I donÆt care if they blow my crap up I however donÆt want game thatÆs purely based on geedpvp. If I anger someone sure, but when I get a war decree and it solely based on pos thievery thatÆs a problem. Orwell sure I cant wait to see this crap go down, not like it will effect me most of my personal research is done and I could sell my pos with in 3 hours at any time, rather than turn it over to lamer x.
I did want to add 3 months ago empire pos where not even a war target, Now 3 months latter. They are war targets and soon to be isk farmer targets, The changes are way to many and way too fast I trust ccp about as far as I could throw them now to provide a constant game experience. I am starting to play this game worrying what will be the next ôgreat ideaö cough "nerf"
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition
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Posted - 2007.11.29 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Karyuudo Tydraad on 29/11/2007 00:26:33
Originally by: ddr800 Edited by: ddr800 on 29/11/2007 00:14:47 You are correct in this statement the problem now is the only reason or motive they came was to steal you 6 advanced labs, bad game dynamic sorry. I donÆt care if they blow my crap up I however donÆt want game thatÆs purely based on geedpvp. If I anger someone sure, but when I get a war decree and it solely based on pos thievery thatÆs a problem. Orwell sure I cant wait to see this crap go down, not like it will effect me most of my personal research is done and I could sell my pos with in 3 hours at any time, rather than turn it over to lamer x.
I did want to add 3 months ago empire pos where not even a war target, Now 3 months latter. They are war targets and soon to be isk farmer targets, The changes are way to many and way too fast I trust ccp about as far as I could throw them now to provide a constant game experience. I am starting to play this game worrying what will be the next ôgreat ideaö cough "nerf"
So despite the fact that you've oriented your whole game perspective around making ISK through PvP with other people using the market, because there's a chance someone might make ISK through PvP with other people outside of the market you're upset? Or is it because the PvP is non-consensual? Did you politely ask the other 200k subscribers about what they thought about you negatively impacting their game-play and income through direct competition in production/trading/research/whatever and got their approval before you setup your splendid little personal research facilities without adequate defenses to make an attack on one unfavorable from an economic standpoint? The greater portion of this game is based off making money through PvP.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.29 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: ddr800 Edited by: ddr800 on 29/11/2007 00:14:47 You are correct in this statement the problem now is the only reason or motive they came was to steal you 6 advanced labs, bad game dynamic sorry. I donÆt care if they blow my crap up I however donÆt want game thatÆs purely based on geedpvp. If I anger someone sure, but when I get a war decree and it solely based on pos thievery thatÆs a problem. Orwell sure I cant wait to see this crap go down, not like it will effect me most of my personal research is done and I could sell my pos with in 3 hours at any time, rather than turn it over to lamer x.
I did want to add 3 months ago empire pos where not even a war target, Now 3 months latter. They are war targets and soon to be isk farmer targets, The changes are way to many and way too fast I trust ccp about as far as I could throw them now to provide a constant game experience. I am starting to play this game worrying what will be the next ôgreat ideaö cough "nerf"
I think that if you didnt want people to kill you and take your stuff then you just might be playing the wrong game.
The entire premise of eve is "kill people and take their stuff"
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Volir
Deep Space HVAC
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Posted - 2007.11.29 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: ddr800 Edited by: ddr800 on 28/11/2007 23:50:19 [ quote] Well sadly nobody sees beyond there own pockets in the near future good luck I see about a 30% decline in pos owners and about 25% increase in prices in the market as whole with in 3 months of this update due to that change
You had to reach pretty far up there to pull that out huh?
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Gulldrengurinn
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Posted - 2007.11.29 01:23:00 -
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The first change sounds valid but the second one is just abit too griefer friendly.
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ddr800
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Posted - 2007.11.29 01:36:00 -
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Whatever, I guess I am out manned nobody agrees so be it, The majority rules.
I will say free world if the majority constantly makes rules I disagree with I will cancel, and no I will delete all my stuff in spite too you losers.
The game is going down a path of catering to grievers and lamers, If it continues I will not follow pretty graphics or not. This change caters to grievers and isk pvp farmers, killing ships for isk apparently isnÆt enough now we need to do it to pos too.
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Gunnra
Caldari Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2007.11.29 01:39:00 -
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hey all cant wait for this update especialy when they introduce the updated missile launchers and gun effects and models think it will look the dogs
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digitalwanderer
Gallente Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.29 01:40:00 -
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Seems i ran into a problem with the latest test patch released today....The game starts(or rather the process anyhow),but doesn't display anything on screen,but task manager shows it running and using 60MB.
It happened right after i downloaded this last patch(132MB),and the game was running just fine before it.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.11.29 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 29/11/2007 01:45:08 I like how the second change is pro-'griefer', when 'griefers' destroy for fun, whereas the change enables destroying for profit.
Further proof that anyone who uses the word 'griefer' doesn't have a logical neuron in their brain.
Originally by: ddr800 Most other games donÆt tolerate the things tolerated here so all the bad has centered it self around eve and I am not surprised every one wants another way to take the hard work of another unjustly.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.29 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: ddr800 Whatever, I guess I am out manned nobody agrees so be it, The majority rules.
I will say free world if the majority constantly makes rules I disagree with I will cancel, and no I will delete all my stuff in spite too you losers.
The game is going down a path of catering to grievers and lamers, If it continues I will not follow pretty graphics or not. This change caters to grievers and isk pvp farmers, killing ships for isk apparently isnÆt enough now we need to do it to pos too.
/me shakes his head...
You have no idea, do you? --
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Stakhanov
The Good Fellas
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Posted - 2007.11.29 01:50:00 -
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Time to train for dreads
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.11.29 01:57:00 -
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it would be cooler if the items didn't go pop when you unanchor stuff
and seriously put guns on your pos
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Aleria Angelis
Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.29 01:59:00 -
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/me looks for dirty secret
This is one of the changes which gives me faith in CCP again, whats so wrong with PvPing for isk? If PvPing was solely for fun we'd all be doing it in wow style arenas right now.
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Gulldrengurinn
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Posted - 2007.11.29 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aleria Angelis /me looks for dirty secret
This is one of the changes which gives me faith in CCP again, whats so wrong with PvPing for isk? If PvPing was solely for fun we'd all be doing it in wow style arenas right now.
Pvping for isk hrmm, I somehow doubt that could go on for a longtime in highsec, if it will be too profitble destroying posses then most will just pack their stuff and none win.
I dont know really, I'm no expert on pos warfare, however it might force afew indys to strike deals with the 0,0 alliances for pos placements. Then again, most alliances dont like ppl adding poses to their space for various reasons.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.29 02:14:00 -
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BEST CHANGE EVER. Nothing is more anoying than shooting posguns for x hours after x hours of shoting the pos itself. THANK YOU CCP
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.11.29 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 POS take down bots
Uhm no, it's a fine nerf. It makes POS removal a little more worthwhile.
This. POS piracy is going to be awesome.
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Haakelen
Gallente United Forces Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.29 02:23:00 -
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About time.
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Melathonis Meradin
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Posted - 2007.11.29 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Edited by: Karyuudo Tydraad on 29/11/2007 00:26:33
Originally by: ddr800 Edited by: ddr800 on 29/11/2007 00:14:47 You are correct in this statement the problem now is the only reason or motive they came was to steal you 6 advanced labs, bad game dynamic sorry. I donÆt care if they blow my crap up I however donÆt want game thatÆs purely based on geedpvp. If I anger someone sure, but when I get a war decree and it solely based on pos thievery thatÆs a problem. Orwell sure I cant wait to see this crap go down, not like it will effect me most of my personal research is done and I could sell my pos with in 3 hours at any time, rather than turn it over to lamer x.
I did want to add 3 months ago empire pos where not even a war target, Now 3 months latter. They are war targets and soon to be isk farmer targets, The changes are way to many and way too fast I trust ccp about as far as I could throw them now to provide a constant game experience. I am starting to play this game worrying what will be the next ôgreat ideaö cough "nerf"
So despite the fact that you've oriented your whole game perspective around making ISK through PvP with other people using the market, because there's a chance someone might make ISK through PvP with other people outside of the market you're upset? Or is it because the PvP is non-consensual? Did you politely ask the other 200k subscribers about what they thought about you negatively impacting their game-play and income through direct competition in production/trading/research/whatever and got their approval before you setup your splendid little personal research facilities without adequate defenses to make an attack on one unfavorable from an economic standpoint? The greater portion of this game is based off making money through PvP.
Can I have your stuff? Or should I just siege your practically defenseless carebear POS for it?
Okay, this discussion aside, I love your corp name.
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