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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:05:00 -
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Fans of EVE fiction should not let the new blog by CCP Abraxas slip by. Check it out here and give your feedback for Abraxas and friends right here in the comment thread! CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Yuki Crowfeet
EVE Information and Entertainment Service
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:36:00 -
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Success on first!
Good news for everyone involved (the blog, that is) 0.0 Investigation I am flying around the depths of space interviewing pilots about their experiences. In-game channel: EIES |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
209
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:42:00 -
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yay more blogs....love these things
thanks for letting us see what is new...love reading the new lore.
Need more-ádecent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term personal and corp goals. This applies to PvE and PvP. |
Geaux Tiger
Tigris Cleptum Gaza
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:52:00 -
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Since I'm returning to the game after a long absence, all the blogs the dev's are putting out amaze me. I especially love this one as I am a budding writer myself and dabble in EvE fan fiction. Having an easily organized wiki for the canon material and official fiction pieces kicks major butt! |
Mark726
Project Compass Holdings
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:02:00 -
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I approve. MOAR WIKI AND MOAR LORE, kthxbai I'm playing EVE and I'm Still Alive
Author, EVE Travel |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
558
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:05:00 -
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Nice |
Wacktopia
Noir.
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:06:00 -
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Quite literally.... cool story, bro! \o/ Apparently we're getting censored now. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:08:00 -
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Quote: because employing the same term both for a particular type of story and for the entire bulk of all types of stories is a silly thing to do and leads to misunderstandings.
Can you explain this to the people that renamed ALL MISSILES of different types the same name...
For real though - great job.
No pictures makes me but I understand the reasoning. You should allow for fan fiction submissions for chronicles, I'm sure some intrepid artists would be interested in being displayed on the EVE page for some kudos. I guess you have to deal with some kind of selection process, but I'm sure there's worse things to go through on a given Monday.
ON the note of categorizing the articles...
What is unwieldly about the Wiki Category system? This would auto-magically generate categories and sort them into various ones (Gallente Chronicles you have, but Add "Tech Articles", etc)
So all the Tech articles would have a Tech Article Category created instead of this : http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tech_articles
I've used wikis extensively including modifying them and implementing some pretty crazy features (semantic based searches). So, I'm just not understanding what's unwieldly.
New Category : Stories that mention Capsuleers.
Category : People in Chronicles - a list of "actors" in the various chronicles with links to the chronicle they appear in. Some have multiple appearances, etc. Might be a lot of work, and some thought on implementation.
Sub-categories for Cultural focus (Society could work, but with sub-cats for empires). This would be for digging into the nuances of social interaction in those Empires rather than the "big themes" of galactic stuff the empires do. It would be more for players who are hyperfocused on that empire (for RP or otherwise) and want to get into some nuances. Let's say (for example) you were to write a story on Amarr linguistics, you'd have a Amarr Culture sub-category that you would put that into and it would help people understand the culture, not just the Galaxy views.
I think a lot of this could be fleshed out going forward in almost a series of scientific clinical fashion discussing the particulars of a races day to day things, as though written by a Gallente studying Amarrian behaviors, for example. You can even create a regular set of fiction characters that do this - i.e. "Doctor Jukla Huffnhuff - Social Anthropologist for the University of Caille". You could extend this to other fields, and maybe even have different Doctors competing or arguing at each other within the frameworks of some of the scientific texts, telling a story, etc.
Quote:Despite Doctor Juklas claims, Amarr society is not based on the notion that God is a vindictive creature. Amarrian society, etc... ~~ Doctor Khil Hetar, School of Cultural Studies, Hedion University
You could apply this to a lot of new articles coming forward - focused more on clinical topics of discussion (which, don't have to be boring.) I know CCP moved away from this style a loooooooooooooooong time ago - and I think in the format of the Wiki some of those would actually have a good place if being created - and would feed some peoples hungers for juicy details, rather than the broad and sometimes ambiguous implications some of the narratives have. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
231
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:33:00 -
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Hi there! How do you navigate from Evelopedia Home to the EVE Chronicle Portal? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3042
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:42:00 -
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Ill miss the art, will the art department still donate pictures to the chronicles in whatever thier spare time allows for?
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3042
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:44:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Quote: because employing the same term both for a particular type of story and for the entire bulk of all types of stories is a silly thing to do and leads to misunderstandings. Can you explain this to the people that renamed ALL MISSILES of different types the same name... For real though - great job. No pictures makes me but I understand the reasoning. You should allow for fan fiction submissions for chronicles, I'm sure some intrepid artists would be interested in being displayed on the EVE page for some kudos. I guess you have to deal with some kind of selection process, but I'm sure there's worse things to go through on a given Monday. ON the note of categorizing the articles... What is unwieldly about the Wiki Category system? This would auto-magically generate categories and sort them into various ones (Gallente Chronicles you have, but Add "Tech Articles", etc) So all the Tech articles would have a Tech Article Category created instead of this : http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tech_articlesI've used wikis extensively including modifying them and implementing some pretty crazy features (semantic based searches). So, I'm just not understanding what's unwieldly. New Category : Stories that mention Capsuleers. Category : People in Chronicles - a list of "actors" in the various chronicles with links to the chronicle they appear in. Some have multiple appearances, etc. Might be a lot of work, and some thought on implementation. Sub-categories for Cultural focus (Society could work, but with sub-cats for empires). This would be for digging into the nuances of social interaction in those Empires rather than the "big themes" of galactic stuff the empires do. It would be more for players who are hyperfocused on that empire (for RP or otherwise) and want to get into some nuances. Let's say (for example) you were to write a story on Amarr linguistics, you'd have a Amarr Culture sub-category that you would put that into and it would help people understand the culture, not just the Galaxy views. I think a lot of this could be fleshed out going forward in almost a series of scientific clinical fashion discussing the particulars of a races day to day things, as though written by a Gallente studying Amarrian behaviors, for example. You can even create a regular set of fiction characters that do this - i.e. "Doctor Jukla Huffnhuff - Social Anthropologist for the University of Caille". You could extend this to other fields, and maybe even have different Doctors competing or arguing at each other within the frameworks of some of the scientific texts, telling a story, etc. Quote:Despite Doctor Juklas claims, Amarr society is not based on the notion that God is a vindictive creature. Amarrian society, etc... ~~ Doctor Khil Hetar, School of Cultural Studies, Hedion University You could apply this to a lot of new articles coming forward - focused more on clinical topics of discussion (which, don't have to be boring.) I know CCP moved away from this style a loooooooooooooooong time ago - and I think in the format of the Wiki some of those would actually have a good place if being created - and would feed some peoples hungers for juicy details, rather than the broad and sometimes ambiguous implications some of the narratives have.
Somone in the caldari state sued and won the court cases.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
558
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:44:00 -
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Razin wrote:Hi there! How do you navigate from Evelopedia Home to the EVE Chronicle Portal? http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Portal:EVE_Chronicles http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/List_of_EVE_Chronicles
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2352
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Posted - 2012.02.01 18:00:00 -
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More more more!!! \o/
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.02.01 18:11:00 -
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Those are linked in the blog. Thanks for that.
The question was: how do you get from here to here. |
J Kunjeh
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Posted - 2012.02.01 18:29:00 -
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Quote: There will not be any more chronicle artwork. I'm sad to see it go, but we have good reason to drop it. Art creation has always been a major bottleneck in chronicle production and a notable draw on the Art Department's resources. Moreover, art and thumbnails are not amenable to the kind of categorization we have in mind for the chronicles. It's easy to plonk down a thumbnail when all you've got is a 200-strong list of alike pieces; it gets progressively harder when you want to start reordering them in all sorts of ways.
I can't even begin to tell you how disappointing that decision is. The artwork was always equally as good (and as much of a draw) as the Chronicle's themselves. I think CCP should seriously reconsider on that point. Even if you reduce it, making it so not ALL of them have artwork, you should not eliminate it altogether. Please! "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Kopfy
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:34:00 -
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The disappearance of story specific art and the original thumbnail navigation is sad, since i don't remember the name of all the stories but rather remember them by their pictures. But i see why and the promise of more short stories are lovely, even if it's only flash fiction.
The fact that the chronicle site is such a behemoth of fiction goodness somewhat compensates and forgives the leaving of art specific navigation. I'll just have to learn the names of my favorites and buy a tablet so i can read them anywhere in a comfortable manner.
About the categories. Quafe company should have Quafe related stories linked like Lost star. Quite hard to find it if you don't remember the name of it.
Maybe even link the respective story in the wiki article of the party involved?
It'll probably be categorical hell deciding which story to go where but i'm certain this fine community of well spoken and willingly people can lend a hand. Or maybe the people hanging out in fiction actually are fine and well spoken... but they still play this game... nvm. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
292
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:03:00 -
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Yay!
EDIT, Now with content: You plan to steal my Lorebook content right? I collected it first! Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
13
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:03:00 -
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Double yay!
EDIT, and now from me: While collecting all these pieces of EVE lore has given me a rather strong insight in all the bits I am not too keen on signing up for your Mercury team. I am not a science fiction writer, I am a fictional science writer. And it hurts my scientist nerd organ whenever one of your volunteers forgets key pieces of EVE lore or, even worse in my opinion, make stuff up because of poor research and then THAT gets sanctioned as Prime Fiction. I know a writer often require a certain space of creative freedom to make good stories, but that is just not me.
Well, at least I can still theorize in the A'J Project. Btw. shake Dropbear and tell him that him that he has not made a noise in two months now and people are getting a bit confused on what to do with A'J in regard to the release of the Fictional Portal and Templar One. CEO - Ataraxia Pharmacies Biography |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1004
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:08:00 -
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Read title...thought CCP finally realized what "The Mittani" is and left dissapointed...
Well. It is a good dev blog. This update is needed and very welcomed by me. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Riffix
Synergistic Arbitrage
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:38:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:And somewhere, over the horizon, there is the fabled in-game connection, which I'll be quietly working on in between other content projects.
I'm not sure whether to be excited that you are seemingly taking time out of your other duties to make this happen or sad that this doesn't appear to be a bigger priority but I am gonna go with EXCITED!
On a related note, I find it inspiring that the lore of EVE can actually be separated into genres like horror, intrigue & spying, politics, action & combat, and cyberpunk.
Keep up the good work.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:05:00 -
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Razin wrote:Those are linked in the blog. Thanks for that. The question was: how do you get from here to here.
EDIT : EVE Fiction button on the Portals in the center.
Maybe not. There doesn't seem to be a portal to the Chronicles, I imagine it would be through the EVE Fiction Portal - but might not have been added yet? Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Kaito Haakkainen
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:26:00 -
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it goes on foreverGÇöandGÇöoh my GodGÇöit's full of stars.... |
JamDunc
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
0
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:28:00 -
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I love what you are doing with the Eve lore.
Can I make one request? Please please please can you release all the stories as mobi/epub? I know most are available as PDF but when I convert them to read on my phones/kindle the formatting goes all wonky.
Sitting reading on my monitor is nowhere near showing these awesome stories the respect they deserve.
Thanks |
Esna Pitoojee
The Peerage
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:53:00 -
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An interesting read and good to know that Abraxas and the rest of the crew are working on stuff.
Sadly, though, a lot of things in that dev blog continue to reinforce my feelings that the new combined fiction "team" - inasmuch as 3 devs and a ton of volunteers can compare to some of the larger teams out there - is chronically (pun fully intended) overworked. Here's hoping CCP finds the cash to add some more persons to relieve some of that.
Note here - I'm not bashing the efforts of Mercury or ISD; rather, it's been made apparent to me on several occasions that the bottleneck in fiction production by the volunteers is having it checked by the official devs to make sure it doesn't invalidate existing EVE lore. The solution, to me at least, would seem to be to bring in more fact-checkers.
Finally, on the note of fact-checking - I'm sorry,Abraxas, but I have to ask - did NOBODY in the fiction department double-check to make sure that stuff in Templar One wasn't contradicting existing PF? There's more holes in that book than on a Minmatar hull. |
Mereden
Space Lizards
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:17:00 -
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Two things. Firstly I think it's a real shame to drop the artwork for both thumbnails and stories - those pictures were one of the things that first enticed me into Eve, I love the style of them and think you should find a home for them elsewhere. How about a fiction gallery, with a paragraph of flavour text for each one, maybe links to chronicles with related themes?
Secondly - it's a minor annoyance but the link to 'other factions' such as Sisters of Eve and the Equilibrium of Mankind. Guess which pirate faction isn't featured anywhere on the page? Yup, EoM gets no mention whatsoever. Shame as I'm kind of curious about them and where they fit in and was hoping to find out more. |
Ramman K'arojic
Deep Black Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:12:00 -
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[quote=]Quote: There will not be any more chronicle artwork. I'm sad to see it go, but we have good reason to drop it. Art creation has always been a major bottleneck in chronicle production and a notable draw on the Art Department's resources. Moreover, art and thumbnails are not amenable to the kind of categorization we have in mind for the chronicles. It's easy to plonk down a thumbnail when all you've got is a 200-strong list of alike pieces; it gets progressively harder when you want to start reordering them in all sorts of ways.
As a suggestion: If artwork is the bottleneck - why not always have player based submissions for the Art component . EG After new content there is an open contest for 2 weeks for players to submit different pictures relevant to the story in question. Prizes for the content are: Credit for the artwork (eg Char name or RL name mentioned), and faction stuff (Say between 50-400M isk) . There is always room for 1-3 pictures per article. Then amend the story with the artwork.
Its a good way to get quality artwork on the cheap, & player involvement.
Cheers and Beers Ramm
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Ramman K'arojic
Deep Black Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:12:00 -
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Duplicate post sorrz |
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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:54:00 -
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Razin wrote:Those are linked in the blog. Thanks for that. The question was: how do you get from here to here.
I also failed to find an easy path and hacked in a temporary link to the Chronicles portal into the main page (in the popular pages block). I am quite sure that CCP Abraxas has already a better solution in mind and will fix it later. CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance
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Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems The Fourth District
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Posted - 2012.02.02 02:13:00 -
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Seems like a lot of responsibility is in the hands of just a few. This is great for protecting the IP, but sucks for developing the pages as a user. It relies on CCP & Mercury to sprinkle links throughout a page or in the reference section, which is more strain on just a few.
Also, it brings into question how the player-created lore will be managed. FX, Band-of-Brothers & Goonswarm are part of Eve's background and shaped the player world. Finding this history, is challenging on Evelopedia, not to mention other player information. But maybe that is not the purpose of Evelopedia, maybe it is not intended to be a community tool, but rather a tool for CCP to share game information with players. Lai Dai Infinity Systems |
Grady Eltoren
Aviation Professionals for EVE
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Posted - 2012.02.02 03:09:00 -
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CCP Abraxas and all the imersion folks:
Great job on this dev blog. All sorts of good details and I am very eagerly awaiting the new collection and organization. That is filled with so much win it almost makes up for the lack of picture/artwork thumbnails. :)
What I would suggest for the pictures as others have suggested is FAN ARTWORK!!! Bolded, underlined, starred for all sorts of win.
A few reasons:
1) Yes the art department is a bottleneck and we don't want to distract them from the POS redux - hehe. : ) Which is fine.
2) But this will give the players a chance to do what CCP wants them to do most - GET INVOLVED. Players love to do this sort of stuff and be imortalized. All it would take is yourself and the Imersion/fiction team reviewing applications after the story is released and PICKING the best one. IF there were no good ones...leave the contest open until there is and post all over the website you are still looking or leave an open THREAD for people to check on. Just make sure the art is original and viola! I akin it to Magic or something where they have all sorts of differnt artists making the cards but all the same topic/style.
3) Saves money probably doing it this way but adds untold value to the game. (A picture is worth a thousand words). If you want to reward players who submit art, just give them a PLEX.
4) The art helps players remember the stories too so don't rule out player submissions.
Anyways - I step down from my box, great article. Just try and come up with something in legal to work in fan made pictures for every story if possible.
CHEERS!
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