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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:37:00 -
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Strangely enough, I upgraded my client via the patcher from WinXP SP2 within that window and my boot.ini is fine. The only thing I can possibly think of is if perhaps it was not effected because I dual boot Vista and there are non-standard entries in the boot.ini file? The only discrepancy I can really think of. Technically it shouldn't matter, but who knows. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 17:27:23 Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 17:25:37 Something that should be noted for those less technically adept among us. This mistake will not "kill" a computer. It will prevent it from booting until it is properly repaired, which many will not know how to do themselves, but it is not ruining any equipment nor is it deleting all the data on the system. It's a recoverable event, its just unfortunate /=.
My heart goes out to the PR team and the dev squad who probably didn't get any sleep last night. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Karrde CZ I'll be surprised if CCP doesn't land a sh1tload of lawsuits very soon.
Deleting files that are NOT PROPERTY OF CCP should be a criminal offense (or at least a misdemeanor). It's pretty much destruction of private property.
cheers.
Never get into law, ever. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:33:00 -
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Just a note, it's equally as outrageous to demand the firing and total disruption of some poor sap who misplaced a "/" somewhere amongst billions of lines of code. But then again, people are out for blood, and being sensible is out the window for most people right now. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: RossP Zoyka
Originally by: JeanLuc Rome
Originally by: Sgt Zim Edited by: Sgt Zim on 06/12/2007 15:56:19 EDIT........Oh and don't fire anyone thats just lame nonsense and looking for a scapegoat never solved anything - crap happens
This is a serious real-life problem buddy. In real-life what do you think your boss would do to you if you crash a entire network just because the name of a simple file. Common sense dictates that "there are" people who should look at this things and make sure it doesn't happen, specially a gross mistake like this one.
Norton did the same thing when they crashed over 100000 computers in China, it's not looking for a scapegoat, it's called "creating an example to make sure this doesn't happen again"
Actually, "creating an example to make sure this doesn't happen again" is looking for a scapegoat.
I got 15 not 14 error messages when I used the ccp suggested fix. I am afraid to hit apply until somebody lets me know what the results are if I get 15 error messages.
Thank you.
If you managed to crash a major network because of a game you had installed on the server, you have NO business anywhere near servers or networking. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hurog Turgon CCP now looks like it is a Bush league operation and will be laughed at by the professionals in the MMO industry.
Personally I expect some sort of compensation for any losses, as in time to fix and the person who is responsible to be retired.
A month free service for all three of my accounts would be a good start. I have more than one computer to fix this evening as well my wife is unable to do her homework for Grad School. I wonder which of my accounts is up for renewel next....
Protip: Its not the first time this has happened in the MMO industry, let alone in gaming. In fact, WORSE issues have happened, such as viruses being disseminated by the patcher. As for expecting compensation, yeah, you go wait for that Mr. Entitlement. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Caiden Soul This is turning into a giant mis-information thread, not very helpful to those affected even if most people replying have the best of intentions.
The mods should post a couple of locked threads containing only the proved solutions to the problems not all the *****ing and untested and unreliable solutions.
There should be two threads, one for those affected that have re-started their pc and one for those affected that haven't re-started their computers.
For god's sake, some-one get organised around here, this is chaos.
Agreed. There are a lot of people screaming about things they don't understand and it's not helping. We need some concise, locked threads about the issue. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Volus Arden So... should I be safe to download the client AGAIN, or will they f@ck me over, AGAIN?
The update was locked down and fixed as soon as they discovered the issue, so yes, it's only a problem if you updated the client during that period using the classic client. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 19:38:04
Originally by: Crawthar can someone help me? iv checked the harddrive, made files visible and unhidden protected files, but i couldnt see the boot.ini file. However when i search my files it shows a boot.ini.backup. Is my computer ok?
If you unhid protected system files and still did not see boot.ini in your root drive, most likely you have been affected. I believe, I'm not positive on this, you can also go to run, enter msconfig and check to see if you have a boot.ini tab and click check all boot paths just to be double sure though. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Eight Ace
Originally by: Crawthar can someone help me? iv checked the harddrive, made files visible and unhidden protected files, but i couldnt see the boot.ini file. However when i search my files it shows a boot.ini.backup. Is my computer ok?
If you are logged on to this forum posting that message on the computer in question then yes, its fine.
Untrue. He may have simply not rebooted since the update. You can't make that assumption. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais Ok, my PC won't read from the CD Drive, but Ive managed to get it into MS DOS.
Is there a way to run a Boot.ini script from my 3.5 drive? If so what do I need to do? My OS is MS XP Home Edition.
Thanks.
C.
If you can get to a prompt and access the drives, navigating to the directory where the boot.ini file is, and typing "copy boot.ini c:\" without quotes should copy the boot.ini file to the correct location. simply restart after that. To get to the prompt, you're most likely going to need a boot disk on a 3.5, which you should be able to create or download just about anywhere at another computer. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Furious Hawk Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 19:41:31 Ok, well it would appear my computer was not affected, so I'm confused. I did a system restore to the day before Trinity's launch anyway, and took a peek in my C drive root directory. There is no boot file there, yet the computer starts fine. There is however a backup boot file in some other folder, as well as a boot file in the EVE folder (wtf CCP?).
Even if you have show hidden files selected, you won't see the boot.ini file unless you have the folder showing protected system files as well which is a different setting. The backup files will show by simply having hidden files shown. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Cailais Ok, my PC won't read from the CD Drive, but Ive managed to get it into MS DOS.
Is there a way to run a Boot.ini script from my 3.5 drive? If so what do I need to do? My OS is MS XP Home Edition.
Thanks.
C.
If you can get to a prompt and access the drives, navigating to the directory where the boot.ini file is, and typing "copy boot.ini c:\" without quotes should copy the boot.ini file to the correct location. simply restart after that. To get to the prompt, you're most likely going to need a boot disk on a 3.5, which you should be able to create or download just about anywhere at another computer.
Won't happen unless he's unfortunate enough to have a fat32 file system - MS DOS has no clue what NTFS is.
Yeah forgot about that. I'm not sure why the CD rom wouldn't work. Usually it can at least still load bootable disks. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 20:30:42
Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Cailais Ok, my PC won't read from the CD Drive, but Ive managed to get it into MS DOS.
Is there a way to run a Boot.ini script from my 3.5 drive? If so what do I need to do? My OS is MS XP Home Edition.
Thanks.
C.
If you can get to a prompt and access the drives, navigating to the directory where the boot.ini file is, and typing "copy boot.ini c:\" without quotes should copy the boot.ini file to the correct location. simply restart after that. To get to the prompt, you're most likely going to need a boot disk on a 3.5, which you should be able to create or download just about anywhere at another computer.
Won't happen unless he's unfortunate enough to have a fat32 file system - MS DOS has no clue what NTFS is.
yeah I forgot. The CD-rom should still be getting power though, I don't know why a bootable disk wouldn't work. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Furious Hawk Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 20:30:39
Originally by: Siri Blue Once again: IS THERE A PATCH FOR THE PATCH OR DO I HAVE TO DEINSTALL EVE AND REINSTALL A FRESH DOWNLOAD!?!?!??! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!
I and many others have already answered this question. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tsar Pasha
Okay, I cannot boot my computer up now, I get the boot.ini and the hll.dll error (or whatever it is). I do not have any Windows XP installation disks (since my computer came with the OS already installed), nor can I create any 3.5" floppy boot disks, since I don't have access to any computers that can write to 3.5" disks.
What do I do now?
Well you have a few options. You can download a bootable CD from http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm on another computer, burn it, and use that to restore the file, or you can look for any other WinXP CD that a friend might have etc and use that. The bootdisk would probably be the easiest way, but you need the replacement files on something so you can add them in again as I don't believe the boot disks can repair it, they can only get you to a prompt you can use to copy the files from a disk or some such. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ne0C0m Hmmm.
I download and update and play for a couple hours with no problem then I shut down and go to bed. Then I wake up and I see all this about not rebooting, all the while I have already shut my computer down. Does CCP make house calls? I expect them to come fix my computer if it doesn't work when I get home from the office.
You expect funny things. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Eibwen edud
Originally by: Abbala Brutori ...CCP. I hate you. I don't care if this is contructive or not. I have my Final paper due tomorrow. and guess what. MY computer restarted. and Now I can't get a number of very important file that I have to have in the next few days. I can only pray. that my professors have compassion on me. Because if not. YOu have just successfully caused me to Fail my English class.
Thank you so very much.
"And rather than asking for help, I am simply going to eat it so I can complain and ***** some more" ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Originally by: Stylom
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti Edited by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti on 06/12/2007 20:26:22 So, I'm affected. I downloaded the extra content last night and turned of my CPU. My computer started this morning with an error message.
Now it's running but there's no boot.ini file.
What do I do now?
Breathe deep...and start reading this thread on page 1
I sure hope that CCP posts an update for people like me on the FIRST page.
I don't know if I can turn off my computer again or not.
Do you have your boot.ini file? If yes, you're fine, done, forget about it and just go play. If you don't, replace it before you reboot, then proceed to follow the rest of step 1 ala forgetting about it and just playing the game. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody Despite the apology, I think that it is a shame that CCP has not made a post to this thread for over 15 or so pages. CCP, If you are really sincere about fixing this mess, why is there not a single person replying QUICKLY to all this anguish on this this thread? Why do you not have a free dos boot image that will repair the boot.ini already as a download on the the site? I am sorry but it does not appear to me that you are working all that hard given the severity of the problem among your user base.
Constructing a bootable image that fixes the problem isn't as easy as you might think. Not all inis are created equal even though most of them would be. They provided information on where to get help, how to construct a basic ini of your own, multiple ways to restore it, there isn't much more technically they can do short of breaking into your house and doing it for you. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Major Hill I am very bad with computers i read the stuff that the devs posted unfortunatly although i am sure it is very clear too some dont make much sense too me.
First i am running Windows Xp media center. When i go too startup and recovery and hit Edit it gives me the following message: Cannot find the C:\boot.ini file. Do you want too create a new file?
Could someone pls tell me what too do from here
If it gives you the option, I would click Yes. I believe, not positive, that it simply restores the backup of boot.ini ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Amanda Amenia
CCP, I suggest handing out reparations or you'll not only lose my business and potentially thousands of others, but many of us will also be investigating legal possibilities for the liability and destruction of private personal property.
Enough of the demands with threats of frivolous legal action please. The EULA covers such risks and they responded to the situation in an appropriate and timely manner so they were not negligent. It's getting quite old. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tsar Pasha
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Use a live cd from any Linux distro. Search this topic for how to create a boot.ini file using notepad. Do it and put it in C:\ (careful make sure that is the folder that you have your Windows folder in). Restart and pull out the live cd.
Most probably that is all you need.
I tried booting from a live cd, but the computer didn't seem to do anything, it just gave errors about how the boot drive couldn't be found or something.
Although talking with a friend, he said that it might be more complicated if my File System is NTFS? I don't really know if that would be a problem ...
If its a live CD and not just a bootable CD, I don't see how that would happen. As far as I'm aware, the way LiveCDs function is that everything is loaded from the CD temporarily into RAM and read from the CD as needed. It shouldn't be dealing with the boot files for windows at all. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Kordesh They provided information on where to get help, how to construct a basic ini of your own, multiple ways to restore it, there isn't much more technically they can do short of breaking into your house and doing it for you.
So you think that CCP has completely fulfilled its obligation to the user base with that post?
P.S.
That lake of oil under Iceland was a great idea! Add to it, that that is where the Icelandic Vikings are storing their WMD's....
I'm saying they've helped technically all they can. They could make a million "feel good" posts that accomplish nothing but saying the same "we're sorry" over and over again, but all it would do is incite more people to complain. Other than making small talk about how its a terrible accident blah blah blah what would you have them do? I think their time is better spent at this point discussing how they plan on handling the backlash, if there should be compensation, and other pressing issues. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rainer Altman
Originally by: Polinus
Originally by: Rainer Altman Uh, I'm running XP and I was wondering what exactly I should do... I have as much computer knowledge as a rock and don't realy understand all this boot.ini stuff, so... What do I do?! Any info would be helpful here.
Start by readign the first post of the thread before re asking the same question?
Umm, didn't you read? I have as much computer knowledge as a rock, the first post is gibberish to me... I did find a "boot.ini.backup" file, is that the one I should copy?
I'll go with the easiest suggestion then.
Quote: # If you have Windows XP Pro, type:
[boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
else, if you have Windows XP Home, type:
[boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home" /fastdetect
# If your OS partition (C Drive) is not the first disk, first parttion, then adjust the disk, rdisk, partition accordingly (see end of post)
# Save that as C:\boot.ini
# Change the properties of this file (right-click and select properties) and set 'read-only' and 'hidden' (may net be necessary, but I like to keep it read-only and hidden)
# Run the command (Start Menu->Run) msconfig
# Switch to the BOOT.INI tab, and click the button 'Check All Boot Paths'. If this works, you should be able to reboot safely.
It essentially is just asking to copy and paste one of those two into a notepad file depending on what version of XP you have, save it as boot.ini, and save it to C:\. If you need to, save it to your desktop, open My Computer, and then drag and drop it into C:. If it says something about replacing a file, then you're fine anyway, so tell it No and simply delete what you just saved. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gralatus Computer fried.
Made bootcd.
Computer boots.
Harddrive doesn't show up.
Can't fix boot.ini.
Any ideas?
Sata vs ide perhaps? anyway to get around this?
Not sure what kind of bootcd you used, but if the hard drive doesn't show up, most likely it does not have the drivers on the disk to detect that drive. You could technically modify the image to add the drivers, but yeah, thats quite complicated. I would suggest a recent edition of a linux Live cd and using that to create the file, as it may be able to detect the drive. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Excido Charon My question is this, and please take time to read this and reply: Why the HELL were you guys modifying my BOOT.INI? What the hell does that have to do with a game? /little ****ed
There is a file called boot.ini in eve apparently. The update attempts to remove it and replace it. Unfortunately, somewhere in the code, instead of boot.ini it reads /boot.ini or some such, wiping the boot.ini system file, rather than the game file. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Kordesh
I'm saying they've helped technically all they can. They could make a million "feel good" posts that accomplish nothing but saying the same "we're sorry" over and over again, but all it would do is incite more people to complain. Other than making small talk about how its a terrible accident blah blah blah what would you have them do? I think their time is better spent at this point discussing how they plan on handling the backlash, if there should be compensation, and other pressing issues.
Well, I disagree, there are plenty of special cases here, there are many people that cannot perform the "simple fix". An 800 call in number for victims where CCP staff would help them step through the fix would be an adequate response, in my opinion. There are PC's out there that may lose family photos because of this.
Would you put up a phone number to contact them after this? Nobody would be able to get through for help anyway due to the sheet glut of people just calling to scream at them. Even still, they would be able to merely repeat what they've already posted. I doubt they have a large enough tech department to handle special situations adequately for everyone involved. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Originally by: Stylom
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti Edited by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti on 06/12/2007 20:26:22 So, I'm affected. I downloaded the extra content last night and turned of my CPU. My computer started this morning with an error message.
Now it's running but there's no boot.ini file.
What do I do now?
Breathe deep...and start reading this thread on page 1
I sure hope that CCP posts an update for people like me on the FIRST page.
I don't know if I can turn off my computer again or not.
Do you have your boot.ini file? If yes, you're fine, done, forget about it and just go play. If you don't, replace it before you reboot, then proceed to follow the rest of step 1 ala forgetting about it and just playing the game.
No. There's no boot.ini file. The computer restarted but there's no boot.ini.
If you rebooted your computer already, you should be fine. If you're not seeing it you most likely don't have the folder set to display hidden system files. You will only see the boot.ini file if that is enabled. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus I feel bad for CCP, this has the smell of pending lawsuits.
Impending frivolous lawsuits. This isn't the first time by far that something like this has happened in the gaming industry. They acted promptly and such situations are covered in the EULA that everyone has agreed to. If people are thinking about causing completely unnecessary trouble, they might as well save themselves the time, they don't have a legal leg to stand on. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jollygood69
Lets try to help as much people we can instead to solve this problem.
We're trying, though most of the help is getting washed away by "LOL LAWSUIT" and "BAWW GIMMIE FREE STUFF OR I QUIT" ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: mishkof
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Demarcus I feel bad for CCP, this has the smell of pending lawsuits.
Impending frivolous lawsuits. This isn't the first time by far that something like this has happened in the gaming industry. They acted promptly and such situations are covered in the EULA that everyone has agreed to. If people are thinking about causing completely unnecessary trouble, they might as well save themselves the time, they don't have a legal leg to stand on.
Examples? Please post them or STFU.
I would like to compare the customer service from previous incidences such as these.
Pool of Radiance. The initially pressed disks would cause the game to uninstall system files when the game was uninstalled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pool_of_radiance#Pool_of_Radiance:_Ruins_of_Myth_Drannor
Final Fantasy XI also had a patch that caused systems to go down I believe
Either DAoC or EQ, I forget which. A virus had infected the patch server, and a trojan was being doled out with the patch for a good. Fortunately it was caught quickly and few were infected.
So kindly, please, STFU yourself. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Drek Grapper Question....is it now possible to 'upgrade' from classic to premium now? Or is it best to install the premium from scratch?
Thanks in advance.
The patch was disabled when it was discovered and they have since fixed it. You should be free to update any way you wish. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 21:37:23
Originally by: Phrast I followed the guide and replaced my boot.ini but when I go to mscofig and click "check all bootpaths" I get:
It appears that the folling line in the BOOT.INI file does not refer to a valid operating system:
"multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect "
Would you like to Remove it from teh BOOT.INI file?
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SO can anyone help me out?
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ztrain Actually no. EULA's can very easily be legally pierced. Especially if actually damages are provable. Such as someone ata a company upgraded at work. Whether a person clicked on the EULA and loosely gave away their right to sue they can not remove OTHERS such as that companies right to sue.
CCP would still not be liable. The employee would need to answer to the company for installing the program on the system.
Quote: If a person downloads a virus, later it is discovered whom the author of that virus is the company can go after the author of that software for damages even if part of the virus pops up a dialogged box looking like a website and without looking that person clicks they agree to wipe out the comps HD.
A virus is designed to intentionally harm a computer. It is not protected and is in fact restricted against specifically by law. This is not a good example.
Quote: Also legal precedent has been established especially in the medical field where if you sign away your right to sue for a procedure you can not legally sign away a 3rd party's right to sue on your behalf such as family members etc.
Unless the person playing had someone other than themselves accept the EULA, this doesn't matter. I'm not positive how 3rd parties on an account would work, but generally they are disallowed by the EULA in MMOs, and the first party would be considered in breech anyway.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rupicolous Well .......... I'm posting again from an old backup rig cause my OS will not boot due to a " missing and/or corrupt " hal.dll file. I have read each and every post in this forum and still remain convinced that the only correct restoration process involves a hard drive retrieval and a new OS installation. If anyone can disagree and/or present another option it would be appreciated !!!
Another option is to simply do a repair install of XP which only reinstalls system files and as a general rule does not wipe the rest of the drive leaving your information intact. I would try replacing the hal.dll file first however. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Glassback
3. You must have Windows installed not on the primary partition. 4. You must have at least 2 hard disks and the OS must be installed not on the primary, but the secondary hard disk
Those two do not make sense in context. That would only apply if the following read
If all these apply, you MAY NOT be affected by a known problem with the Graphics Update system.
but then the first 2 conditions would not apply? Did you copy that directly or type it? ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kelenthin
Originally by: Spork Witch I don't know what caused the issue in the first place, and to be honest, I can't think of what they could have done to cause it (but it wouldn't be the first time something completely random has happened, Windows does weird stuff sometimes.) The bigger issue is this: regardless of what CCP did, IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TOUCH THE FILE IN THE FIRST PLACE. If Windows came even close to being a decent OS, it wouldn't allow arbitrary modification of system critical files without confirmation. Granted the average ****** (i.e. 99% of the people that have access to computers) would just click accept anyway, but it should have at least come up saying something was trying to mess with it. Windows is the only OS I know of to ever allow ANYTHING to touch system files without permission.
Sorry for the rant, but yeah, it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but the blame isn't all on CCP either, since if MS did their job right for once it wouldn't have been possible in the first place.
Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself. Again, Thank You!
I do agree. Any other operating system would not have allowed you to touch that file without having specifically asked you permission even if you were logged in as administrator. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Kordesh Any other operating system would not have allowed you to touch that file without having specifically asked you permission even if you were logged in as administrator.
WRONG! Mr. Kordesh, Please stop giving computer and legal advice.
.....clearly you've never heard of linux....ever. Please stop telling me what to do. I'm more qualified, and clearly more level headed than you. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: mishkof
Originally by: Kordesh
Pool of Radiance. The initially pressed disks would cause the game to uninstall system files when the game was uninstalled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pool_of_radiance#Pool_of_Radiance:_Ruins_of_Myth_Drannor
Final Fantasy XI also had a patch that caused systems to go down I believe
Either DAoC or EQ, I forget which. A virus had infected the patch server, and a trojan was being doled out with the patch for a good. Fortunately it was caught quickly and few were infected.
So kindly, please, STFU yourself.
You are a master debater.
None of your examples have any proof of any error generating patches like this one. A wiki article? I read the 4 major bugs that were all solviable by uninstalling the game.
Your last 2 are comical, especially in the third one. You cannot even pinpoint the problem to an actual GAME.
Excuse me for not wanting to waste my time digging through the vastness of the internet looking for scholarly papers on events that have happened four to five years ago because some ****ant isn't satisfied that they happened. And for the record, those problems weren't easily solved by uninstalling the game, they were CAUSED by uninstalling the game. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 22:13:03
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Kordesh Any other operating system would not have allowed you to touch that file without having specifically asked you permission even if you were logged in as administrator.
WRONG! Mr. Kordesh, Please stop giving computer and legal advice.
.....clearly you've never heard of linux....ever. Please stop telling me what to do. I'm more qualified, and clearly more level headed than you.
sudo rm -rf /boot
Then assuming that wasn't a random google search, you should know yourself that Eve would not have been able to do so if XP had similar system permissions unless it was given superuser access, which is the only point I was trying to make. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rooster Edited by: Rooster on 06/12/2007 22:14:36 it might help if CCP read their own forums!!!
This bug appears to have been found when it was still in test:
8th post down.. by JAVLAN http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=648131&page=1#8
Unforgivable
Unless that thread was moved, he posted in known issues and work arounds, and it was buried several posts down in a thread. Unless he made a formal bug report, I highly doubt they would have found it. They don't have the time or manpower to read every single post, and they had no reason to believe an unknown issue, would be posted in the known issues forum. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Caldrion Dosto
Quote: And quite frankly how many really got affected by it between 23.30 and 04.00. I dont think that many.
Actually, probably quite a few. Many were waiting for the patch to come up, and all of which would have been effected. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
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