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D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:58:00 -
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Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)! Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill! Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4 is this normal i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods dosnt that cost enough and people wonder why people by isk lol! I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top! Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone you have trained that skill it has taken long enough and the more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the games enconomics to just end that right now surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game! Fed up lol to much stress!
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Karasuma Akane
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)!
It's your own fault. If you don't purchase an updated clone after death, you will lose skillpoints upon the next squishing. It's widely advised that the very first action you should take after being killed and reappearing in-station is to purchase your updated medical clone.
p.s. can i have your stuff?
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D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:28:00 -
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Yeah agreed it was my fault read fact one but reality check here m8 if it happened to you you would still have to pay for the 28 days it will take to retrain a skill you took 28 days to train this is the only game where you die you lose lose it takes long enough to get enough isk in this game regardless i just think that 1 mill sps's is over the top! Do we really need to be punished because we couldnt pay for a clone or lose over 1 mill sp thats just a backwards step to playing a really enojyable game it could be done better is what im getting at but you know if thats what you guys like to do then good for you have fun lose sp which ever you choose! YES IT WAS MY FAULT MISSING THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE!
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ms kypp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:32:00 -
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for sure many have lost skill points, but the most i have heard is what they were training last was what went missing..... but 1 million way over the top i have never heard such a sad state of affairs in my life and it does make u wonder what is the point, i think this is insulting to say the least.... and i understand the player is at fault this i dont think was the issue tbh i think the issue is here 1 million skill points what a joke......
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Kelbesque Crystalis
Minmatar Eve University
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:43:00 -
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You are supposed to lose 5% of the difference. In order to lose 1mil SP, you'd need to have over 20mil. If you have over 20mil skill points, there is no reason you cant afford a new clone and you should know better by now. Hell 25 days is nothing when you can buy a time card with isk. I only have a few mil SP and can easily afford those.
Assuming the above is true and you didn't buy your character, I'm sorry but I can't have any sympathy for such a noob mistake. Sucks to be you.
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Sam442
Asshats and Alcoholics Minuit.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT Ok b4
who's b4? ------- This post does not reflect the views of myself my pet cat or my corporation. |
Granmethedon III
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Granmethedon III whine whine whine whine whine..... whine.
whine.
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Nolone
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:57:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)! Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill! Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4 is this normal i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods dosnt that cost enough and people wonder why people by isk lol! I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top! Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone you have trained that skill it has taken long enough and the more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the games enconomics to just end that right now surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game! Fed up lol to much stress!
You know what you did wrong.
Don't ever do such a stupid thing again.
Problem solved.
Oh and by the way, you talk about "28 days wasted". Did you do NOTHING except train skills? Not play the game, make any ISK or have any enjoyment?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:58:00 -
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Yeah agreed it was a very noob thing to do but running alts and stuff you just get mixed up! And yeah it was my fault but the point im trying to make is "is it necessary for the sp's to be taken" Ok understand the logic it takes a fair amount of time to train anything (agreed better than grinding a skill) but if you had to grind a certain amount of skill points to lvl up (other game ideas) would they take that from you cause you lost a pvp match no they wouldnt! Agreed it is not long and it hurts but you know it is the only game where you get sucker punched for trying to acheive something only to be pushed back but remeber something else even tho you can buy time cards with your isk you still spend a lot of time to get that isk which is again money you lose! Im not trying to get sympathy (again i bloody know its my fault lol) But the idea of this game is to train your ass of to fly that better ship and once you have acheived this then you lose that ability it kind of defeats the objective of your game! Im not going to belittle any of you but its a idea that i feal really needs looking into! I have only ever done it once b4 and to put it on paper so to speak i rejected the idea of clone jumps in the beginning and i havnt changed my mind even after 3 something years of playing this game (no this character isnt bought its created and will always remain with me no matter what even if i dont want to play any more)! The end of line means i will no longer shut up about this area of the game! Its an idea people would enjoy it a lot more if they didnt have to worry about skill points! The implants you all use probally is bad enough thing to lose but if you do forget to reclone then you lose the implants but the skill points should always remain with you you took the time to train them so they really have been earned! Not that i expect anything form you lot regarding being objective!@
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Caldari Citizen 223654
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:00:00 -
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wts: paragraphs.
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D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: D CENT Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)! Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill! Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4 is this normal i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods dosnt that cost enough and people wonder why people by isk lol! I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top! Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone you have trained that skill it has taken long enough and the more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the games enconomics to just end that right now surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game! Fed up lol to much stress!
You know what you did wrong.
Don't ever do such a stupid thing again.
Problem solved.
Oh and by the way, you talk about "28 days wasted". Did you do NOTHING except train skills? Not play the game, make any ISK or have any enjoyment?
Yeah i do enjoy the game but it really is an area i feel needs looking into but you lot are obviously in disagreement but again thats not an issue everyone is open to their own opinion and i respect that and no i dont stand still ask those that catch and kill me lol!
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT Yeah agreed it was a very noob thing to do but running alts and stuff you just get mixed up! And yeah it was my fault but the point im trying to make is "is it necessary for the sp's to be taken" Ok understand the logic it takes a fair amount of time to train anything (agreed better than grinding a skill) but if you had to grind a certain amount of skill points to lvl up (other game ideas) would they take that from you cause you lost a pvp match no they wouldnt! Agreed it is not long and it hurts but you know it is the only game where you get sucker punched for trying to acheive something only to be pushed back but remeber something else even tho you can buy time cards with your isk you still spend a lot of time to get that isk which is again money you lose! Im not trying to get sympathy (again i bloody know its my fault lol) But the idea of this game is to train your ass of to fly that better ship and once you have acheived this then you lose that ability it kind of defeats the objective of your game! Im not going to belittle any of you but its a idea that i feal really needs looking into! I have only ever done it once b4 and to put it on paper so to speak i rejected the idea of clone jumps in the beginning and i havnt changed my mind even after 3 something years of playing this game (no this character isnt bought its created and will always remain with me no matter what even if i dont want to play any more)! The end of line means i will no longer shut up about this area of the game! Its an idea people would enjoy it a lot more if they didnt have to worry about skill points! The implants you all use probally is bad enough thing to lose but if you do forget to reclone then you lose the implants but the skill points should always remain with you you took the time to train them so they really have been earned! Not that i expect anything form you lot regarding being objective!@
For the love of god, PARAGRAPHS. Assuming you want anyone to actually read that.
Personally I would HATE to lose any skillpoints. So I make very very very sure never to ever ever ever leave a station without an updated clone. Never ever. Ships, mods, POs.... all that can be replaced. The skillpoints you can't buy back.
Clone prices were reduced in kali, but they're a large and necessary ISK sink. Deal with it.
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Granmethedon III
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Citizen 223654 wts: paragraphs.
This.
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D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Citizen 223654 wts: paragraphs.
Sorry if you cant read to clever! lol
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D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:06:00 -
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I do deal with it! Like i said it is an area of the game i would personnally like to see improved dealing with it have done for as long as i have played this game chill guys it just food for thought!
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Caldari Citizen 223654
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT
Originally by: Caldari Citizen 223654 wts: paragraphs.
Sorry if you cant read to clever! lol
Who is clever and why can't I read to them?
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Sam442
Asshats and Alcoholics Minuit.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Citizen 223654
Originally by: D CENT
Originally by: Caldari Citizen 223654 wts: paragraphs.
Sorry if you cant read to clever! lol
Who is clever and why can't I read to them?
maybe its magical clever, the tricks that he does are awfully trevor. ------- This post does not reflect the views of myself my pet cat or my corporation. |
Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT I do deal with it! Like i said it is an area of the game i would personnally like to see improved dealing with it have done for as long as i have played this game chill guys it just food for thought!
it's not a bug or a thing that needs "fixing". Clones are an intentional feature that are there for a reason.
And seriously, wall-o-text: it's not something people complain about just to look smart. It's really much harder to read than properly spaced text. It just makes you look like a ranting ephedrine addict.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:11:00 -
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lol forget it you guys arnt worth talking to lol
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Sam442
Asshats and Alcoholics Minuit.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT lol forget it you guys arnt worth talking to lol
Can have stuffs noaw plx? ------- This post does not reflect the views of myself my pet cat or my corporation. |
Wayward Hooligan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 06/12/2007 19:13:39 The skill point loss is necessary.
There are cloning services in outposts in 0.0
When you invade an enemies space you go and pop the cloning service.
After that, when you pod someone, their clone shows up in the outpost but they can't buy a new clone.
Hence they have a choice.
1 - Stay docked until the cloning service is repaired. 2 - Keep playing but run the risk of losing SP.
The attackers then have the options of:
1 - Bubble camp the station/system 23/7 and try to re-pod as many as possible. 2 - Bubble camp the the route to another station with cloning service in hopes of catching pods.
This dynamic forces people to be very organized in their approach to attacking and defending their space.
When the defenders undock carriers to remote rep the cloning service the attackers should have a snaked/poly/rogued/cloaking machariel in system ready to bump the carriers off.
The defenders need to be ready to drop a defense fleet on to the attackers if they try this.
Basically it adds an interesting and high stakes dynamic to 0.0 warfare.
Keep it. It doesn't affect empire carebears anyways because there are no bubble camps and station services can't be killed.
You lose SP in empire and its your own damned fault. . .. WELP! .. . |
loving it
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:14:00 -
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way to much time is spent here. do u guys even play this game? just wanted to know.... and yes i still think it sucks but hey i'm no ice queen i have a heart.... ohhhh more food for thought lol
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loving it
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Wayward Hooligan Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 06/12/2007 19:13:39 The skill point loss is necessary.
There are cloning services in outposts in 0.0
When you invade an enemies space you go and pop the cloning service.
After that, when you pod someone, their clone shows up in the outpost but they can't buy a new clone.
Hence they have a choice.
1 - Stay docked until the cloning service is repaired. 2 - Keep playing but run the risk of losing SP.
The attackers then have the options of:
1 - Bubble camp the station/system 23/7 and try to re-pod as many as possible. 2 - Bubble camp the the route to another station with cloning service in hopes of catching pods.
This dynamic forces people to be very organized in their approach to attacking and defending their space.
When the defenders undock carriers to remote rep the cloning service the attackers should have a snaked/poly/rogued/cloaking machariel in system ready to bump the carriers off.
The defenders need to be ready to drop a defense fleet on to the attackers if they try this.
Basically it adds an interesting and high stakes dynamic to 0.0 warfare.
Keep it. It doesn't affect empire carebears anyways because there are no bubble camps and station services can't be killed.
You lose SP in empire and its your own damned fault.
wow paragraph
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Liam Liam
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:16:00 -
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I lost most of BS 5 ... But I figured out must have happened a week before and I must've bought the wrong clone Cos I def had one
My mate lost too His was a little different in that he was killed near station A little lagged docked .. checked to make sure no pod mail
left got in another ship got killed and podded Then got two pod mails at the same time lost most of lvl 5 Battleship
It's bad luck and a little harsh but you just got to get on with it ... It is a game after all.
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Sam442
Asshats and Alcoholics Minuit.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: loving it
Originally by: Wayward Hooligan Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 06/12/2007 19:13:39 The skill point loss is necessary.
There are cloning services in outposts in 0.0
When you invade an enemies space you go and pop the cloning service.
After that, when you pod someone, their clone shows up in the outpost but they can't buy a new clone.
Hence they have a choice.
1 - Stay docked until the cloning service is repaired. 2 - Keep playing but run the risk of losing SP.
The attackers then have the options of:
1 - Bubble camp the station/system 23/7 and try to re-pod as many as possible. 2 - Bubble camp the the route to another station with cloning service in hopes of catching pods.
This dynamic forces people to be very organized in their approach to attacking and defending their space.
When the defenders undock carriers to remote rep the cloning service the attackers should have a snaked/poly/rogued/cloaking machariel in system ready to bump the carriers off.
The defenders need to be ready to drop a defense fleet on to the attackers if they try this.
Basically it adds an interesting and high stakes dynamic to 0.0 warfare.
Keep it. It doesn't affect empire carebears anyways because there are no bubble camps and station services can't be killed.
You lose SP in empire and its your own damned fault.
wow paragraph
12 of them..... or not, still, doesn't make my eyes bleed ------- This post does not reflect the views of myself my pet cat or my corporation. |
loving it
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Liam Liam I lost most of BS 5 ... But I figured out must have happened a week before and I must've bought the wrong clone Cos I def had one
My mate lost too His was a little different in that he was killed near station A little lagged docked .. checked to make sure no pod mail
left got in another ship got killed and podded Then got two pod mails at the same time lost most of lvl 5 Battleship
It's bad luck and a little harsh but you just got to get on with it ... It is a game after all.
i would say all it does is add more frustration to the game its bad enough with whats happening today with all this mess up with the new up roar, without losing clones and stuff today is a no win situation for most and i for feel for the guys that this happens to....mistakes happen but at what a cost again harsh.... and for all you heartless people...stop being so cold and play the game.... but any ways i paid to play the game not sit here typing
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Atom HeartMother
The Unholy Crusaders CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:54:00 -
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I lost a mill sp once, i absentmindedly changed my cloane to a staion with no cloning facilitys, got podded on the way to a new clone, quit the game for a year.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT Yeah agreed it was a very noob thing to do but running alts and stuff you just get mixed up! And yeah it was my fault but the point im trying to make is "is it necessary for the sp's to be taken" Ok understand the logic it takes a fair amount of time to train anything (agreed better than grinding a skill) but if you had to grind a certain amount of skill points to lvl up (other game ideas) would they take that from you cause you lost a pvp match no they wouldnt! Agreed it is not long and it hurts but you know it is the only game where you get sucker punched for trying to acheive something only to be pushed back but remeber something else even tho you can buy time cards with your isk you still spend a lot of time to get that isk which is again money you lose! Im not trying to get sympathy (again i bloody know its my fault lol) But the idea of this game is to train your ass of to fly that better ship and once you have acheived this then you lose that ability it kind of defeats the objective of your game! Im not going to belittle any of you but its a idea that i feal really needs looking into! I have only ever done it once b4 and to put it on paper so to speak i rejected the idea of clone jumps in the beginning and i havnt changed my mind even after 3 something years of playing this game (no this character isnt bought its created and will always remain with me no matter what even if i dont want to play any more)! The end of line means i will no longer shut up about this area of the game! Its an idea people would enjoy it a lot more if they didnt have to worry about skill points! The implants you all use probally is bad enough thing to lose but if you do forget to reclone then you lose the implants but the skill points should always remain with you you took the time to train them so they really have been earned! Not that i expect anything form you lot regarding being objective!@
there are some MMOs where you lose XP every time you die and yes, you can even lose levels.
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Ahro Thariori
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ahro Thariori on 06/12/2007 23:05:36 Edited by: Ahro Thariori on 06/12/2007 23:05:16
C'mon guys, it's not about other games nor is it about being too stupid to set your clone first thing in the "morning".
It is about game design. A good game "is a series of meaningful decisions". Is resetting your clone in Empire a meaningful decision? Are there pros and cons to it? No (please, dont tell me that it costs isk). So it's bad game design.
Clones in 0.0 is a completely different story though, as I we have learned today.
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