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dmosbarge1
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:01:00 -
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The skillpoints you lose is half of your highest level skill or the difference between your clone's sp storage amount and your current sp, whichever is smaller. It has nothing to do with 5% of anything, and it has nothing to do with what you trained last. Beyond that:
Eve is a harsh world. For less penalties, go to WoW or any other MMO.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari Seoltachd
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: dmosbarge1 The skillpoints you lose is half of your highest level skill or the difference between your clone's sp storage amount and your current sp, whichever is smaller. It has nothing to do with 5% of anything, and it has nothing to do with what you trained last.:
It's 5% of the difference between what your clone covered and your current SP. This SP is taken from the skill with the most SP. The loss is capped to 50% of the SP in that skill.
This was correct as of Revelations 1; whether they've changed it for Trinity, I haven't tested it yet.
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Implicatus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 06:52:00 -
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another usefull thing to go with 'paragraphs' are 'periods' (i.e. ' . ')
Not! every! sentence! ends! with an excalmation mark!
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Helen
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Helen on 07/12/2007 11:10:44
Originally by: Wayward Hooligan Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 06/12/2007 19:13:39 The skill point loss is necessary.
There are cloning services in outposts in 0.0
When you invade an enemies space you go and pop the cloning service.
After that, when you pod someone, their clone shows up in the outpost but they can't buy a new clone.
Hence they have a choice.
1 - Stay docked until the cloning service is repaired. 2 - Keep playing but run the risk of losing SP.
Actually this is wrong as you can be podded to a station (which you might of set as your death clone), and the cloning service be disabled however if you have a jump clone just jump to another station and et voila a way of updating your clone without staying docked or losing SP.
Also to the OP clones are fantastic way of giving someone a real bad time if they are stupid enough not to update their clone. Nothing makes me laugh more than people losing skillpoints because I podded them and they had a crap clone. If only more people I podded owned up to it.
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Granmethedon III
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Edited by: Helen on 07/12/2007 11:10:44 Also to the OP clones are fantastic way of giving someone a real bad time if they are stupid enough not to update their clone. Nothing makes me laugh more than people losing skillpoints because I podded them and they had a crap clone. If only more people I podded owned up to it.
This.
And hopefully it makes them quit too, the whining gits.
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Lindsai Muris
Minmatar StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Lindsai Muris on 07/12/2007 16:32:41 Be glad you only lost 1m.... Back in the day I lost a good friend who forgot to update their clone, got suicide ganked while moving bases and lost everything they owned and went from around 15m sp to 900k.... This game is not meant to be easy. And death should have a penalty... So to beat a dead horse... deal with it.
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RaTTuS
BIG Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lindsai Muris Edited by: Lindsai Muris on 07/12/2007 16:32:41 Be glad you only lost 1m.... Back in the day I lost a good friend who forgot to update their clone, got suicide ganked while moving bases and lost everything they owned and went from around 15m sp to 900k.... This game is not meant to be easy. And death should have a penalty... So to beat a dead horse... deal with it.
Lies there is no cake -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve [Now Verified] & Recruiting
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Dr Sco
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT lol forget it you guys arnt worth talking to lol
How are we not worth talking to? you posed a stupid question, we gave you answers that you didn't like, you tried to defend your question, and now you're mad.
Seriously, clones are around to be a leakage in the economy. Not having clones just leads to higher inflation. You have to choose which is more important to you, ISK or keeping skill points.
You talk about "I don't think I should lose 1M SP from being killed." Well then make a clone and learn from your mistakes. What were you doing anyway? were you missioning? PVPing? You said that you think losing your ship and equipment is a price thats high enough, CCP disagrees with you.
High Risk=High Rewards. If you're missioning or PVPing to get these rewards, then prepare to take the risk. You can hedge these risks by buying insurance and making sure that your clone is up to date. You knew what would happen if get killed (meaning you knew if bad things happened that the cost would be the ship, the equipment, and skill points), and you took that risk anyway.
Quit trying to blame the system for your own fault. You brought this upon yourself. If you want an experience where death dosen't have much of a penalty, go play WoW. Saying we're "not worth talking to" is like trying to say the IRS is bullying you after finding that you've been embezzling money and been committing tax evasion. You just don't like what we're saying, so you're ignoring us.
So take the 28 days, grow up, take responsibility for your actions, move on, and learn to to spell/use paragraphs.
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Granmethedon III
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sco
Originally by: D CENT lol forget it you guys arnt worth talking to lol
How are we not worth talking to? you posed a stupid question, we gave you answers that you didn't like, you tried to defend your question, and now you're mad.
Seriously, clones are around to be a leakage in the economy. Not having clones just leads to higher inflation. You have to choose which is more important to you, ISK or keeping skill points.
You talk about "I don't think I should lose 1M SP from being killed." Well then make a clone and learn from your mistakes. What were you doing anyway? were you missioning? PVPing? You said that you think losing your ship and equipment is a price thats high enough, CCP disagrees with you.
High Risk=High Rewards. If you're missioning or PVPing to get these rewards, then prepare to take the risk. You can hedge these risks by buying insurance and making sure that your clone is up to date. You knew what would happen if get killed (meaning you knew if bad things happened that the cost would be the ship, the equipment, and skill points), and you took that risk anyway.
Quit trying to blame the system for your own fault. You brought this upon yourself. If you want an experience where death dosen't have much of a penalty, go play WoW. Saying we're "not worth talking to" is like trying to say the IRS is bullying you after finding that you've been embezzling money and been committing tax evasion. You just don't like what we're saying, so you're ignoring us.
So take the 28 days, grow up, take responsibility for your actions, move on, and learn to to spell/use paragraphs.
pwnt.
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Rainoer
Amarr Esoteria Liberation Front
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Posted - 2007.12.07 22:11:00 -
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I lost a month of training also because of carelessness it was so ****ed about losing my expensive ship the way I did, that I promtly went out an lost another one and had no clone because I let my anger cloud my judgement. An expensive lesson at least a month of training and income down the drain in 10 minutes.
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Jaabaa Prime
Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT
... i forgot to reclone my self ... Fed up lol to much stress! ...
Bye, and I don't want your stuff, just pass away gracefully considering your mastery of punctuation. --
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Wayward Hooligan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.08 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Edited by: Helen on 07/12/2007 11:10:44
Originally by: Wayward Hooligan Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 06/12/2007 19:13:39 The skill point loss is necessary.
There are cloning services in outposts in 0.0
When you invade an enemies space you go and pop the cloning service.
After that, when you pod someone, their clone shows up in the outpost but they can't buy a new clone.
Hence they have a choice.
1 - Stay docked until the cloning service is repaired. 2 - Keep playing but run the risk of losing SP.
Actually this is wrong as you can be podded to a station (which you might of set as your death clone), and the cloning service be disabled however if you have a jump clone just jump to another station and et voila a way of updating your clone without staying docked or losing SP.
Also to the OP clones are fantastic way of giving someone a real bad time if they are stupid enough not to update their clone. Nothing makes me laugh more than people losing skillpoints because I podded them and they had a crap clone. If only more people I podded owned up to it.
True. I didn't cover the topic extensively. I just wanted to point out that losing sp for being podded without a clone is a factor in wars and should not be removed. . .. WELP! .. . |
Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.08 04:26:00 -
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That sucks.
1 mil sp, how many sp do you have?
I think you lose %5 of your highest trained skill.
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Verlaine Glariant
Knights of the Flame Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.08 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self
This.
The rest is completely irrelevant.
Verlaine Glariant. Tactical Weapons Specialist.
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Psorion
The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.12.08 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Wayward Hooligan Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 06/12/2007 19:13:39 The skill point loss is necessary.
There are cloning services in outposts in 0.0
When you invade an enemies space you go and pop the cloning service.
After that, when you pod someone, their clone shows up in the outpost but they can't buy a new clone.
Hence they have a choice.
1 - Stay docked until the cloning service is repaired. 2 - Keep playing but run the risk of losing SP.
The attackers then have the options of:
1 - Bubble camp the station/system 23/7 and try to re-pod as many as possible. 2 - Bubble camp the the route to another station with cloning service in hopes of catching pods.
This dynamic forces people to be very organized in their approach to attacking and defending their space.
When the defenders undock carriers to remote rep the cloning service the attackers should have a snaked/poly/rogued/cloaking machariel in system ready to bump the carriers off.
The defenders need to be ready to drop a defense fleet on to the attackers if they try this.
Basically it adds an interesting and high stakes dynamic to 0.0 warfare.
Keep it. It doesn't affect empire carebears anyways because there are no bubble camps and station services can't be killed.
You lose SP in empire and its your own damned fault.
YaaR!
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:35:00 -
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Admittedly...I've done it. 3 times. Once on each of my accounts lol. I'll never make that mistake again. I still retrained all the skills, and I payed for it, and I didn't complain, because it was my fault to begin with. As long as you're not absent minded and forget (not insulting you, like I said, I did it too) you'll be fine. There's no need to change it. Can I have your stuff?
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Riho
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:42:00 -
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first: OP learn to ******* type.. use enter key and punctuation sometimes. its very hard to read anything u write
secon: sadly its your own fault you lost sp :(
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moumou78
Soulbound.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:37:00 -
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I sympathise with you mate. Although this has never happened to me personally, I do agree that it's alittle bit over the top to lose so much SP. As a matter of fact, the whole idea of paying for updated clones is beyond me. It's already an annoyance to lose implants once podded, why on earth do u have to update clones??
I think people have just got used to the idea of clone upgrades. People will go on a RIOT if they didn't have to do it at the start of the game and CCP tried to introduce it now, just think about it :)
Just a few months ago, CCP was quite happy to upgrade peoples clones as a bribe when they increased the inital starter Skill Point, and yes it was a bribe So.... Im for a complete removal of this clone upgrade crap, cos from past experience the game makers have already by passed it and upgraded people for free.
Cheers moumou Soulbound. Tenth Legion |
Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2007.12.09 03:01:00 -
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If you're not going to make the effort to make your posts legible, I'm not going to make the effort to read them. ----------------
Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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Danzig256k
Caldari Mortal Devastating Kin
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:07:00 -
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pretty noob mistake for a char that is over 3 years old man, and it wouldn't of killed ya to use a period or 2 in the post.
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Zelmor
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Posted - 2007.12.09 17:38:00 -
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Thy fate sucketh. All there is to say. <<< Don't feed the trolls! |
Levethian Maar
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Posted - 2007.12.09 22:00:00 -
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Who cares if he made a mistake or not. The point being, Why on earth should we have to update clones. There is no reason to lose soo much Skilk Points. Everyone jumps to the "You such a noob" insults, but the man got a valid point. It's a game mechanic that ought to be changed, it's useless.
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Jaabaa Prime
Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Levethian Maar It's a game mechanic that ought to be changed, it's useless.
Next thing we'll hear is ship insurance and ship loss is useless and that your ship with all fittings and loot should be at your clone station even if you don't get podded.
Some people just don't understand that EVE is a hard game, where losses hurt. It never has been, and hopefully never will be anything else. --
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.12.09 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: EvilSpork on 09/12/2007 23:06:47
Originally by: Karasuma Akane
Originally by: D CENT I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)!
It's your own fault. If you don't purchase an updated clone after death, you will lose skillpoints upon the next squishing. It's widely advised that the very first action you should take after being killed and reappearing in-station is to purchase your updated medical clone.
p.s. can i have your stuff?
what he said. you messed up. learn from it. and as a matter of fact i was just put back 3 weeks due to the same thing. i lagged, get popped and podded. i lost a lvl 5 skill. guess how often i leave a station without an upgraded clone now?
quite whining about YOUR mistake and give me your stuff
Originally by: Implicatus another usefull thing to go with 'paragraphs' are 'periods' (i.e. ' . ')
Not! every! sentence! ends! with an excalmation mark!
this too. no more walls of text ffs
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Kaathar Rielspar
Minmatar Universal Exports
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Posted - 2007.12.10 03:22:00 -
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hey, it could be worse you might have had to retrain battleship 5 like a corp mate of mine did...
twice ____________________
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.10 03:28:00 -
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I got to admit that is actually pretty harsh
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Ziggy Smalls
Department of Defence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)! Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill! Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4 is this normal i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods dosnt that cost enough and people wonder why people by isk lol! I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top! Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone you have trained that skill it has taken long enough and the more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the games enconomics to just end that right now surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game! Fed up lol to much stress!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *cough cough*
*gasp* sorry, ok, I just.....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It is SO easy to avoid this, GG being lazy and cheap, now you paid for it. Hey, next why don't you buy a dread and fly it around 0.0 solo in enemy territory with no insurance! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
-Ziggy
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.10 05:07:00 -
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Ok either this post is a just total random troll or actually IS true.
Now, this is a common game mechanic that has been in there since as far as i know the game has existed (longer than ive played). So having said that, maybe you forgot to do the tutorial? In it being pod killed is actually covered. You have no excuse.
So now either suck it up and retrain it or quit. Either way it won't make a damn bit of difference to anyone in this game becuase if you
A. suck it up and retrain it, you will end up being a much better player
or
B. You quit, in which case its one less whineass in game and a huge bonus to the rest of the remaining intelligent population.
We do however care about your useless and complete waste of forum space.
I revoke your Internet license. Please douse your computer and or self in gasoline and ignite. This "internet" thing is apparently to hard for you.
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Rudius
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Posted - 2007.12.10 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: Rudius on 10/12/2007 06:21:48
Originally by: Levethian Maar Who cares if he made a mistake or not. The point being, Why on earth should we have to update clones. There is no reason to lose soo much Skilk Points. Everyone jumps to the "You such a noob" insults, but the man got a valid point. It's a game mechanic that ought to be changed, it's useless.
Because some of us play this game for the risk factor, for the chills you get when you enter hull and don't know if you can make it, or the special moment you jump into a gate camp.
If it were WoW style and i would not risk anything i would just stand there and take it and smile and run back to get the corpse and gear and run on. But here i know if i don't make it ill lose 500mil or more... and thats why eve is the best... Every time you undock you risk loosing something and the same goes for the clone...
I know a tale back from EQ1. Where this guy had a binding spot (respawn point) at the entrance into a zone and then went AFK. Each time you died you lost 10% of a lvl. He got trained (mobs running after someone else got to the entrance) and got repeatedly killed at the entrance each time he respawned after being killed. After a few hours he went from lvl 50 to some lowish lvl. Now that a is a "I quit this game moment"... 1 mil SP is nothing compared to that.
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Dr Sco
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Posted - 2007.12.10 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Levethian Maar Who cares if he made a mistake or not. The point being, Why on earth should we have to update clones. There is no reason to lose soo much Skilk Points. Everyone jumps to the "You such a noob" insults, but the man got a valid point. It's a game mechanic that ought to be changed, it's useless.
How is it useless? It has a very good use. It's designed to be a leakage in the economy. It's a measure to battle inflation. And to insure the leakage is used, they make not using it be a very stiff penalty.
Think about it for story reasons. maybe they have to work harder on higher up clones to make the brain be able to remember everything. maybe cloning isn't perfect.
Maybe you think that we should just have 1 body, and when we die we have to start a brand new character. They're being nice enough to even allow clones in the first point.
It's not like this is a game breaking issue where there is an imbalance between ships and characters. It's about you guys not liking a game mechanic and whining about it. If I went to the WoW boards and said "I don't like durability damage for dying, it's a game mechanic that should be changed!" I'd get laughed out of the boards.
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