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swordz
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:22:00 -
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Hi is it worth the time to train up to use +4 implants ? or am i better of just sticking with + 3 ?
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Bladen Kerst
Caldari Bladen Kerst Innovations
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:29:00 -
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Yes it is worth training especially now when prices have dropped
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.12.07 05:59:00 -
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Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 07/12/2007 06:00:07
Originally by: Bladen Kerst Yes it is worth training especially now when prices have dropped
Dropped is an understatement.
I haven't been podded in ages, have had a +3 set plugged in all this time. I recently bought a +4 set which I am about to plug in. The +4 set is like half the price that my +3's were
So yes, buy them.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.07 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 07/12/2007 06:00:07
Originally by: Bladen Kerst Yes it is worth training especially now when prices have dropped
Dropped is an understatement.
I haven't been podded in ages, have had a +3 set plugged in all this time. I recently bought a +4 set which I am about to plug in. The +4 set is like half the price that my +3's were
So yes, buy them.
<3 the level 4 mission *****s
heh as a nub i made like 15mil per +3 on the market, and that was low balling other people (not by much, but by enough to get it to move within a few hours).
arent they under 10mil now? haven't looked for +3s in ages.
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:33:00 -
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You can get almost a full set of +4s for the price I paid for a single +4.
Falling prices indeed.
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danedral
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:31:00 -
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It worth to train for +5 set and its smart to train all learning skill's to lvl 5 :D
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:38:00 -
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Quote: and its smart to train all learning skill's to lvl 5
...if you know with 100% certainty that you will still be playing EVE in 4 years.
There, finished that sentence for you.
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Jaabaa Prime
Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: swordz Hi is it worth the time to train up to use +4 implants ? or am i better of just sticking with + 3 ?
How long are you going to be playing ? I have +5 implants and will be here for a while longer, so your mileage may vary.
Or, to put it another way, if you are here for the short term, think that learning 3 + cybernetics 3 is cool, because you can get into a BS 2 days sooner, then maybe --
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.12.08 04:26:00 -
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get the +4's. They're worth every isk. -
Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.12.16 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Sejanus
Quote: and its smart to train all learning skill's to lvl 5
...if you know with 100% certainty that you will still be playing EVE in 4 years.
There, finished that sentence for you.
people say that, and i understand that math... but, what would you have trained in that month or two, in place of those learning skills? what would you have trained in those 10-14 days instead of cybernetics 4 to 5? keeping in mind all the other implants which require lvl 5.
i'm honestly curious. especially since many people in this game are like all the other games, and switch back and forth between MMOs every few months.
i don't see how training the learnings and cybernetics to lvl 5 can ever be considered BAD advice. it's not like you just jacked yourself out of getting something.
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Rhadamantine
Game Community
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Posted - 2007.12.17 00:06:00 -
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Train to level 5, it's not just the +4s and +5s you'll be able to use after.
Level 5 opens up a whole new Implant world tbh.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.12.17 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd i don't see how training the learnings and cybernetics to lvl 5 can ever be considered BAD advice. it's not like you just jacked yourself out of getting something.
This has been discussed to death already, but I'll bite. Take a look at this old picture I posted here. You see how the blue bar is below the red bar after taking time to train learning skills? If you end up getting tired of Eve and stop playing before the blue bar has a chance to overcome the red bar, then you indeed have "jacked yourself out of getting something".
Training learning skills in order to train ship skills faster, for example, is slower than just training ship skills right away. BUT after a while, it will pay off. The question is: will you be around when it finally pays off?
Originally by: Slayton Ford a Drake is normally primaried last
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DaHarMasterKor
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.12.17 01:36:00 -
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Take out EVEMon and calculate it. All depends on how long you plan on playing. I did a calculation for +5 implants once. Those require Cybernetics V which is almost 2 weeks to train. My calc showed that in training time +5's will pay off in about a year's time. So +4's definitely take less than a year to start saving you in training time.
Also Cybernetics IV and V are required for some hardwiring implants. Whether you're a pvper, mission runner, miner, or inventor those hardwirings can come in very useful.
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Shinzu Takigawa
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Posted - 2007.12.17 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: Shinzu Takigawa on 17/12/2007 04:31:17 If your an industrialist and science guy like my alt then its definetly 100% worth getting cybernetics to lvl 5 and getting +5 implants ontop of giving you access to all the lovely mining, manufacturing, blueprint and a load of other implants.
Im not sure if training all the learning skills to lvl 5 is worth it but definetly worth training the basics to 5 and advanced to 4.
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WardogX
Outkasts
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Posted - 2007.12.17 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: WardogX on 17/12/2007 21:29:13
Originally by: Rhadamantine Train to level 5, it's not just the +4s and +5s you'll be able to use after.
Level 5 opens up a whole new Implant world tbh.
I second that! Go for lev 5 cybernetics and get a set of +5's. Just be sure to have jump clones if you ever go on extended leaves in risky space. I recommend you buy a +3 set for your jump clone alt's so you can still train quick without the financial risks in low sec. Not only that once you get cybernetics to lev 5 you can start using a lot more highend slot 6 through 10 implants. (sets, mindlinks, +5% boosters, etc.)
Also, on the subject of training learning related skills... I don't really recommend taking your advanced skills to lev 5 unless you are extremely unbalanced in your base stat of that skill and you need it. Usually lev 5 of basic learning skills and lev 4 of the advanced is enough. HOWEVER, I do recommend you get learning to level 5 if you use +5 implants. Payoff on learning skill itself with 22+ skills its less then 1 year but you get a unilateral boost to all skills so its worth it if you plan on playing at least a year.
The way the "learning" skill works its a multiplier you get 0.02 per skill train in it multiplied by whatever your added up skills are.. for example:(base skill + learned skills + implants) then multiple that by 1.1 (1.1 if your learning skill is lev 5). Often just going from 4 to 5 on the learning skill (when using +5 implants) is enough to eek you out 1 extra physical point increase to your skills stats down the board (even though learning itself doesn't add points it multiples the total so it can increase it).
With a +5 set I have 24-25 to all skills. I train usually in the ballpark of 2200-2500 SP per hour in almost every single category (since i got a balanced skill base). approximately thats 19-22 million sp per year.
Just be sure to have jump clones before you drop a billion+ in implants. I only have one jumpclone with that much money invested in it, and that clone is gonna stay in empire for life. The rest are very affordable setups that I don't care if I lose. Have more then 1 set on a couple of clones too... one for show and one for blow, so to speak. :D
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Jill Antaris
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:21:00 -
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Even +5 is worth every single SP if you are getting a Clone with at least 2 +5 Implants. You can easy compleet a Skill that takes 30 Days if your Account is running out. You save 1-1.5 Days. If you are in Empire you can use them all the time and even if you are in 0.0 and taking a break with a long time Skill they are usefull. You will get back your investment in Time and ISK for shure.
Nerf Lasers! Thay need far to less CPU and Grid to Fit. Still using not enught Cap and do far to mutch Damage. O wait... they allready did... =( |
Chelone
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Posted - 2007.12.17 23:26:00 -
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+5 implants breakeven in about 9 1/2 months. +4 implants breakeven in about 2 months (approx.)
I never did the precise +4 calc because it's so short, everyone should get them (unless they die daily...)
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Radix Salvilines
VENA GROUP
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:14:00 -
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+5 implants requires cybernetics5... as well as some nice hardwires (+mindlinks)... these two combined makes cybernetics5 worth training :D ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥-☻VENA☺-♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ |
Taua Roqa
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Sejanus
Quote: and its smart to train all learning skill's to lvl 5
...if you know with 100% certainty that you will still be playing EVE in 4 years.
There, finished that sentence for you.
and will never, ever, ever miss one minute of skill training in said 4 years.
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Scythestius
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 00:46:00 -
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I've found that +3's work very well for the average player since they only require Cybernetics I. Also, they are cheaper to replace than +4 or +5 sets, and it would take quite a while as mentioned above to gain the benefit of using higher implants assuming they are installed at all times.
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