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Rat Farmer
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.03 13:49:00 -
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IGÇÖm new to Eve and IGÇÖm starting to plan my skills. I have a question regarding the Shield and Armor Compensation skills. Is it worth training these skills to 5? On the shield side, it seems like you gain 3% passive resist per level when using an Invulnerability Shield but the active shield % doesnGÇÖt change. |
Mona X
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.02.03 14:02:00 -
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Resist Compensation skills works with hardeners only when they're turned off. Not offline (greyed out, but off, ie. not green.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=700639 I need new signature. |
Rat Farmer
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.03 14:13:00 -
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Thanks, there's a lot of good information in that link. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.02.03 14:24:00 -
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Armour compensation = worth it. They make EANMs a lot better. Shield compensation = not so much. Most people don't use amplifiers. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities. |
Rat Farmer
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.03 14:28:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Armour compensation = worth it. They make EANMs a lot better. Shield compensation = not so much. Most people don't use amplifiers.
What is EANMs? New guy here, not fully understanding a lot of the acronyms. |
Lord Calus
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
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Posted - 2012.02.03 14:45:00 -
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EANM = Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane. It works just like an invuln field, but for armor ... and doesn't have to be activated to work.
The armor compensation skills give a bonus to the effectiveness of an EANM, which is always on and always works when fitted. Armor comp skills are considered HIGHLY useful to have to 5.
Shield compensation skills give a bonus to single resist passive modules, or to an active module that is deactivated. These skills are circumstantial and are mostly useful in PVE or for people who pilot cap ships and want to still have some survivability when neuted out. |
Skarned
Inroads
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Posted - 2012.02.03 14:48:00 -
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Rat Farmer wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Armour compensation = worth it. They make EANMs a lot better. Shield compensation = not so much. Most people don't use amplifiers. What is EANMs? New guy here, not fully understanding a lot of the acronyms.
EANM = Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
You should definitely take Armor comps to 4 relatively early in your EVE career. Taking them to 5 is helpful, but you probably have a lot more useful things to train before then. |
Rat Farmer
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.03 15:14:00 -
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Thanks for all the information. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.02.03 16:21:00 -
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there are basically two types for both armor and shields.
and active and a passive.
for shields you have active hardeners which have a very low passive resist that is in effect when the hardener is not active and a much higher set of resists when the hardener is active or turned on. the shield compensation skills only affect the passive side of the hardeners which doesn't help much as nobody leaves hardeners off while fighting.
the passive modules are the shield resistance amplifiers. these modules give a much lower resist boost than the active hardeners but are always on and do not cycle and burn cap. These are nice for active shield tanks as it leaves more cap for the boosters but at the same time you take more damage because your resists are lower. Not many players use the amplifiers as most fits benefit more from active hardeners but if you do us them the shield compensation skills are worth the investment.
Armor has both passive and active modules as well but there are a few additional options.
There are armor hardeners which are active modules like the active shield hardeners but there is no armor hardener that covers all resist types as the invulnerability field does for shields, but they are very effective in mission running for maxing resists to specific damage types.
the energized adaptive nano plating II and the adaptive nano plating II are both passive, both cover all resist types, both require 1 mw of power but the energized plating also requires CPU. the energized adaptive plating once modified from the armor compensation skills covers all resists at a decent increase much higher than the standard adaptive plating which is what makes it the most popular. But if you have a very tight fit CPU wise the standard plating is worth looking at as it does not use CPU but still has decent resists with good armor comp skills.
in addition there are armor mods like the energized regenerative membrane II which does not add resists but adds a flat 15% HP bonus to the ship without the speed/mass penalty you get from say 1600mm reinforced rolled tungsten armor plating that adds 4200 hp but also adds almost 3 million kg mass drastically affecting ship speed and maneuverability. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.02.03 20:12:00 -
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Don't train compensations to 5 right away, as level 4 is fine for most people for a long time.
After nearly 3 years, I'm currently training armor compensations to level 5, as I don't really have other important intelligence skills left to train before switching to a perception > willpower attribute mapping. As I plan to train perception skills for a year, I'm getting the compensations out of the way now in case I decideed I really needed them during the next year.
I already have all the shield compensations at level 5, because I needed them for a special case situation: passive resist Tengu vs. C5 & C6 Sleepers that energy neutralize. Otherwise shield compensations to 5 is less useful than armor compensations to 5 (EANM rocks). |
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Ateab792
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.04 01:05:00 -
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For a person new to EVE I would suggest you train armor comps to 4 and shield comps to 3 until you get your head wrapped around all the skills. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.04 15:28:00 -
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Don't train the shield comps. If you find yourself equipping (energized) adaptive nano membranes alot (which you will if you fly amarr/gallente ships), train the armor comps to 4. Armor comp to 5 is not needed. |
Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy
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Posted - 2012.02.04 22:03:00 -
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All shield and armor are both worth training to 4!
Even if you are running active hardners you will want them to 4 if you get neuted and lose all your cap! This will help you with pvp and make you harder to gank if you are sticking with pve.
I recommend training the weakest ones to 5 first. Explosion/Kin for armor. EM/Therm for shields. Many great fits will benifit from 5's on the weaker resistances. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:21:00 -
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related question.
how do the bonuses affect offline active hardeners? is the 3% bonus per level added on instead of multiplied? |
Rat Farmer
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:29:00 -
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Batelle wrote:related question.
how do the bonuses affect offline active hardeners? is the 3% bonus per level added on instead of multiplied?
It only grants a bonus to the inactive/passive resists. Nothing is applied to the activated module. |
Rat Farmer
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:35:00 -
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With 4 in shield compensations, the passive 1% bonus of the invulnerability field is at 12% but the active doesn't change. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:45:00 -
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not 13%?
so 1 / 3 / 6 / 9 / 12 / 15 ? |
Rat Farmer
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:55:00 -
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I'm not sure of level 1 and 2 but 3 is 9% and 4 is 12%. |
Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy
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Posted - 2012.02.09 00:17:00 -
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Batelle wrote:not 13%?
so 1 / 3 / 6 / 9 / 12 / 15 ?
The answer is yes.
level 0 = 1% resist when active mod is inactive.
level 1 = 3%
level 2 = 6%
level 3 = 9%
level 4 = 12%
level 5 = 15%
This is why they are worth training all to 4 even if you run active hardners. When cap dies much better to have 12% resist from you invuln compared to 1%
It's good to train EM to 5 early too as it's a shields weakest point. If you get capped out you will want 3% more for em. Plus passive resist used are usally em and therm. (( I recommend both to 5 for any shield user ))
Armor does the opposite: train explosive to 5. |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
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Posted - 2012.02.09 15:13:00 -
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EM Shield Compensation should be on 5 the others are probably less important, but There are quite some fittings out there that work with an EM amplifier.
and indeed is works as a half counter towards neutrilisers |
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Viscount Hood
Gallivanting Travel Company Band of Wanderers
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Posted - 2012.02.09 16:57:00 -
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Rat Farmer wrote:IGÇÖm new to Eve and IGÇÖm starting to plan my skills. I have a question regarding the Shield and Armor Compensation skills. Is it worth training these skills to 5? On the shield side, it seems like you gain 3% passive resist per level when using an Invulnerability Shield but the active shield % doesnGÇÖt change.
Absolutely train them but only after you can't think of anything else to train in Engineering. |
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.02.10 03:21:00 -
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unless going caps or plan on running passive resists you could skip the shield comps. 4 em if you care but if neuted/nos'd to bone dry cap in pvp or pve usually the ship going boom is coming up real soon. rats most likely will have the dps for a good kill and a pvp'er sure as hell will if minny or amarr (they'd go right for the em hole now at why bother resist levels).
I am 4 on these on a passive resist tengu (and others I like passive resists for a variety of reasons for pve) and not seeing the need to train for more at the moment. If you need moar resist for pve break down and buy the ds passive resists mods. Type B's are good and relatively cheap (the em will hurt the wallet, sellers gouge you on that one's price :( ).
armour tank 4 the comps them for sub caps, 5 for when in the big rigs. Your boost to eanm for pvp not all that great imo for the sub caps. Thats 40 days that probably could fix something else more needed and more immediate effect for pve or pvp.. Now on your caps and such, every little bit helps when you get stuck and its 5 time. |
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