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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:48:00 -
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Ok, i have noticed a disturbing trend.
I remember the days, when people made a good living on taking a BPO, research it and sell for profit.
Now, most BPO's seems to be sold around NPC price, because people cant get them off their hands else.
Have we reached a point where theres no need for more BPO's to actually make the supply to meet the demand, and thus not alot of people actually buy these BPO's?
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Kitex
Blacktag Test Labs
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Posted - 2007.12.09 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Have we reached a point where theres no need for more BPO's to actually make the supply to meet the demand, and thus not alot of people actually buy these BPO's?
I think you've summed it up. Statistically, I'll wager the percentage of BPO's that sit idle in hangars and are never (or only rarely) used for production would be quite alarming. Production in EVE has been at a saturation point since I started playing. Still some money to be made, but no fortunes.
I'm assuming you're talking about T1 ship BPO's anyway. I own and have researched 90% of them, and wouldn't do much better than NPC price if I decided to sell them all off. I doubt you could even give away T1 module or ammo BPO's.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.09 17:03:00 -
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I think this happened a while back, probably why they are introducing invention from BPC, to give the BPO that have been oversaturated an actual value beyond the original. ie if you have too many Caracal BPO? you can copy from the excess and still make money from them.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.09 17:24:00 -
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Yet people still read posts from a year ago about researching BPO's for profit and do it today. They don't realize they will likely lose money or make very little for their effort now.
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.09 21:34:00 -
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Until -very- recently, I found it quite profitable. Taking a cruiser BPO and researching it up to ME 25, PE 10, and I could sell it for 20-30 million above NPC price. My research costs are in the 500k range. Sure it took a long time, but time is something I have in abundance, and no point in wasting my character's research skill potential by leaving slots empty.
However, the last set that I sold (roughly a month ago) did quite poorly by comparison.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Estate
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Posted - 2007.12.09 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle Yet people still read posts from a year ago about researching BPO's for profit and do it today. They don't realize they will likely lose money or make very little for their effort now.
It's pretty accurate, except on the high-end BPOs. Also there's the convenience factor for some, and the fact that doing a little from research is better than not using those slots at all. And then there's combining research with an actual manufacturing backbone.
On this topic, if anyone has huge stashes of research T1 module or small ship BPOS, I may take some or all of them off of your hands for NPC cost ;)
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.12.10 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Selene D'Celeste On this topic, if anyone has huge stashes of research T1 module or small ship BPOS, I may take some or all of them off of your hands for NPC cost ;)
I might actually have a bunch like that. I'll get my new lab assistant to send you a list of excess bpo's I've marked as extraneous.
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Gwelaf
Gallente Rogue Arrow Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.10 14:01:00 -
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Accually u still can make a decent amount from resreaching and reselling BPO'd its all a matter of making sure u resreach the right BPO's.
i Own and operate 27 lab slots (3 char's)
10 of those are dedicated to doing just that does not make what it once did but still makes a tidy profit
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David H'Levi
Invicta.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 23:49:00 -
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You know, I really haven't noticed any chance in the volume of BPOs I can sell or the price that I can sell them for over the course of the last year, so either the saturation began well before I started doing it, or I'm magically immune. Go figure. As much as you may love me, your signature must pertain to your in-game persona, and thus I must remove it. -Conuion Meow |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.12.11 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: David H'Levi You know, I really haven't noticed any chance in the volume of BPOs I can sell or the price that I can sell them for over the course of the last year, so either the saturation began well before I started doing it, or I'm magically immune. Go figure.
the fact you can sell them doesnt mean that the market is not saturated some blueprints will have peaks of demand and others will increase in demand over time
remember that blueprints above 50 million to acquire are in a different category and then again ones that take over a billion
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David H'Levi
Invicta.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: David H'Levi You know, I really haven't noticed any chance in the volume of BPOs I can sell or the price that I can sell them for over the course of the last year, so either the saturation began well before I started doing it, or I'm magically immune. Go figure.
the fact you can sell them doesnt mean that the market is not saturated some blueprints will have peaks of demand and others will increase in demand over time
remember that blueprints above 50 million to acquire are in a different category and then again ones that take over a billion
If demand is increasing over time, that means that the market can't be saturated, by definition.
There are tons of new players every week, some of whom will at least get to a point in the game where they'll want to buy a new blueprint. If not, the market would have been saturated several years ago, right around the time that ISK seemed to be wildly revalued.
There are always new people coming into the market who will want the exact same blueprint that everyone else has(a thorax BPO, for example), just like some day I'll muster up the energy to buy a capital ship BPO for reasons that will elude me the following (sober) morning.
The point being, the market wont saturate until the player base stops growing. As much as you may love me, your signature must pertain to your in-game persona, and thus I must remove it. -Conuion Meow |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.12.11 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: David H'Levi
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: David H'Levi You know, I really haven't noticed any chance in the volume of BPOs I can sell or the price that I can sell them for over the course of the last year, so either the saturation began well before I started doing it, or I'm magically immune. Go figure.
the fact you can sell them doesnt mean that the market is not saturated some blueprints will have peaks of demand and others will increase in demand over time
remember that blueprints above 50 million to acquire are in a different category and then again ones that take over a billion
If demand is increasing over time, that means that the market can't be saturated, by definition.
There are tons of new players every week, some of whom will at least get to a point in the game where they'll want to buy a new blueprint. If not, the market would have been saturated several years ago, right around the time that ISK seemed to be wildly revalued.
There are always new people coming into the market who will want the exact same blueprint that everyone else has(a thorax BPO, for example), just like some day I'll muster up the energy to buy a capital ship BPO for reasons that will elude me the following (sober) morning.
The point being, the market wont saturate until the player base stops growing.
read my post again you seem to think i said all blueprints increase in demand or that new players dont want blueprints? the general bpo market is indeed more saturated today than it was a year ago meaning the demand is relatively lower to the cost than it was a year ago - once again - some blueprints have a lot more demand and it increases a lot faster - a lot of people take out a set of for example cruiser blueprints before realizing only one of them is even worth having - some blueprints like the thorax you mention will always be wanted there are many blueprints that people research and attempt to sell that have a finite demand - unless a significant boost occurs - because they suck
i would love to go over the numbers for you but you couldnt even read my post correctly
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Caldari Hakata Group Blade.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Sejanus Until -very- recently, I found it quite profitable. Taking a cruiser BPO and researching it up to ME 25, PE 10, and I could sell it for 20-30 million above NPC price. My research costs are in the 500k range. Sure it took a long time, but time is something I have in abundance, and no point in wasting my character's research skill potential by leaving slots empty.
However, the last set that I sold (roughly a month ago) did quite poorly by comparison.
There's always a lot of isk hoarding just before a major patch, especially one with new ships in it. Industrialists are hoarding isk for building the new ships, pvpers are hoarding isk to buy the new ships.
Bad time to be selling anything for profit.
Give it a month to return to steady state operations and then look again.
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