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Ventro69
Caldari Manson Family Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.11 06:54:00 -
[91]
My pants are too tight...does that count?
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darkfuntime
Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.11 07:13:00 -
[92]
I,m going to have to say the isk farmers are the true rebels. [/url Take back your existence or die like a punk.
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Butcher el'Hek
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Posted - 2007.12.11 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Norwood Franskly Our alliance operated NRDS in 0.0 for a while, but too many cowardly alt spies in shuttles and isk farmers ruined it for us by taking advantage of our policies, I don't know how CVA operates and I'm always suprised Providence isn't crawling with farmers and macro ratters.
CVA has the benefit of having U'K and allies clean its space for them - to be honest we should charge a fee.
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2007.12.11 08:19:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Janu Hull speaking as one who spent many months flying under CVA's aegis, lemme say that what they ask you to do in comparison to what they offer for cooperation doesn't rate on the burden scale out to ten decimal places.
Its real simple.
Don't shoot first.
That's it.
Nothing else.
Feel oppressed yet?
Damn right I do. "Don't shoot first" - where is the fun in that?
"Target off port bow"
"Whose is it?
"Don't know - don't care. Prepare for action!"
Yarr!
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bazzed
Tweek 'n' Co Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.12.11 08:21:00 -
[95]
Sharing Standings and shooting together at Corps/Allys which are KOS is the ONLY way to keep an nrds Area clean.
Otherwise it would be the perfect Area/Paradise for Pirates.
They do not Attack the Residents but can shoot at Neutrals.
You can shoot only back (like SF does) when you have no Space,and when you are not trying to give access to 0.0 to neutrals.
So Star Fracton NRDS "Version" is not compatibel with our Goals to give 0.0 Access to Neutrals.
But we trying to give access to 0.0 for all... and there is no other way then to share the intel/standings about Pirates and ppl which are attacking neutrals.
Cold Steel and Sev3rance do not pirate, thats an absolutly lie. The order is (and was always) only to shoot Pilots which are definitly Hostile/KOS.
Like somebody earlyer said... thats hard enough, you have hostiles and Neutrals in space and you can never be sure ho is realy Neutral/Friendly.
Killing everything you can lock (like Ushra'khan) is Pirating, this has imho nothing with a "freedom fighter" to do.
This thread has startet with a RL Comparison, so: When SF is a "Freedom Fighter/Rebel/Free Captain against NBSI "terror" " then Al QUadia is in RL too, but i am pretty sure they're not. (Atleast when you attacking other NRDS entitys and giving intel to NBSI Allys (which are red to you).
Sorry for my bad english, trying my best :)
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Calimor
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.11 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Calimor on 11/12/2007 10:30:31 BoB is the empire. > SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too) > Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here) > Dbp is General Grievous > ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom.
> Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt.
Redswarm Federation are the Rebels.
> Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front. > Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously. Appleboy is the trap. > Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins)
> Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion.
> James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.12.11 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Calimor Edited by: Calimor on 11/12/2007 10:40:00 BoB is the empire. > SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too) > Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here) > Dbp is General Grievous > ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom.
> Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt.
Redswarm Federation are the Rebels.
> Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front. > Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously. Appleboy is the trap. > Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins) > Suas is Han Solo.
> Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion.
> James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels.
henceforth the last word in all evil empire threads, nicely done
any room for fire 59? ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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Esk Esme
Caldari High4Life
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:07:00 -
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id say corp's / allainces like outbreak / Evoke and who the other dude's we used to fight in curse hmm interdiction would sum up the rebel's in EvE also a few lo-sec pierate corps
yea my english sux sue me
Cry Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!.
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hmmmmmmmm
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:25:00 -
[99]
goons are good guys?are we playing seim game?
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HeadHunta II
Mercenaries of Andosia Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:44:00 -
[100]
freedom...hmmm
Think there are many alliances fighting for freedom...mostly for their own freedom. Away from the roleplay thingy i would say "Foundation" alliance is fighting pretty long and hard for their freedom or like they would say: "The Freedom of GW". I dont know what they exactly mean with that. (Maybe someone can help me out here without the typical phrases.) But i have to say they fight for this area since ages and as many of us thought they are already dead, they came up again and again and again.
As i said i dunno what "fighting for freedom" means in eve for single ppl, for me it means to have a goal and dont be someones slave or pet and if you are that, to get rid of this status. My vote for the "freedom-fighters" (if you would call it so) goes to Foundation. And i fully respect those guys, even if i try to pewpew them everyday . Respect guys.
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Esk Esme id say corp's / allainces like outbreak / Evoke and who the other dude's we used to fight in curse hmm interdiction would sum up the rebel's in EvE also a few lo-sec pierate corps
yea my english sux sue me
Cry Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!.
Well before I get spanked for barking I think u have to go down the route of Jabbas palace for 0utbreak and the likes of... much more along the lines of " Scum and Villanary " there are no rebelas ... ur all hungry, familly killing thugs u just dont know it yet. Id say in the early days trying to try and make a "free space" from the CFS pre fix (dint last long) was about as close as it got... nasty affiar that.
though marko as jaba ... hahahahah (im so gonna get whipped its been nice knowing u).
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.12.11 12:20:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Erotic Irony
any room for fire 59?
Jar Jar Binks?
D-F-C recruitment closed |
JeanPaul Sartre
26th of July Movement
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Posted - 2007.12.11 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Calimor Edited by: Calimor on 11/12/2007 10:40:00 BoB is the empire. > SirMolle is the Emperor (just look at his avatar too) > Seleene is Darth Vader (who's also been giving indications of a possible betrayal, it all makes sense here) > Dbp is General Grievous > ISS is much like Xyzor's Empire. One small step and it all goes boom.
> Lady Scarlet is Jabba the Hutt.
Redswarm Federation are the Rebels.
> Mittani is Mon Mothma, overseeing everything yet rarely appearing on the front. > Sesfan is Admiral Ackbar, obviously. Appleboy is the trap. > Hoegaarden is CLEARLY Lando (Went "screw this life", built his own little-empire, betrayed his previous friends, got kicked away from it and came back to his origins) > Suas is Han Solo.
> Evil Thug is Mace Windu except he is now russian and SirMolle couldn't kill him so he's now alive in the days of the Rebellion.
> James 315 is Princess Leia, originally pretending to be neutral but eventually assuming to be on the side of the rebels.
This post is quite good. My only question is does Suas shoot first or not?
Actually I've got another question... surely you can think of a better Princess Bunhead? James315 is such a bit player in all this... Re-cast this role or I'm not buying the DVD. --
Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
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Seke Faewyn
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.11 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Orebuster Edited by: Orebuster on 11/12/2007 00:27:43
Originally by: Angelus Damelon
Originally by: Martin VanBuren
Originally by: Galgarak I would say bob are the rebel alliance to be honest, and goons/RA are the guys who when the jedi's were vanquished and sent into hiding the first time, turns on their ally's and reform to form the galactic empire, like what happened through episode 1-3
We all know how that story ends;) Wonder how mittani will scream when his second in command throws him down a long tunnel ;) anyone in bob have a father in goons?
punch it chewie
Who are you calling "scruffy-looking"?
Laugh it up, fuzz-ball
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.12.11 13:46:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Seke Faewyn
Originally by: Orebuster Edited by: Orebuster on 11/12/2007 00:27:43
Originally by: Angelus Damelon
Originally by: Martin VanBuren
Originally by: Galgarak ..
punch it chewie
Who are you calling "scruffy-looking"?
Laugh it up, fuzz-ball
boring conversation anyway ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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Krystian
Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Krystian on 11/12/2007 14:00:40
Originally by: darkfuntime I,m going to have to say the isk farmers are the true rebels.
Ah yes their eternal struggle for isk to feed their families, the other meat on the table and all they ask as that we do is not to violence their boats. WHY?
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Norwood Franskly Our alliance operated NRDS in 0.0 for a while, but too many cowardly alt spies in shuttles and isk farmers ruined it for us by taking advantage of our policies, I don't know how CVA operates and I'm always suprised Providence isn't crawling with farmers and macro ratters.
In my opinion its not feasible to hold sov in 0.0 and be NRDS, it's a shame because we try to position ourself as a free trade Anti-pirate alliance and being NBSI is pretty hypocritical in this regard. We do practice NRDS in low sec still...
Define the difference between a farmer and a ratter.
As for macros, they exist. Good luck wiping them out, they could give roaches pointers about survival. Macro haulers do operate in the Providence area. They knew about it, and acknowledged it as a problem beyond their ability to stop. Lets face it. For all the efforts to remove them from 0.0, not one alliance has ever succeeded in pulling it off. Why waste your game time doing CCP's job?
As for shuttle alt spies, whoopty-doo. Its not like you can catch them very often, either, and its not like a Covops pilot with half a brain couldn't do the job better.
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Ch4lie
Caldari No Guts No Glory
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ch4lie on 11/12/2007 14:16:40
Originally by: darkfuntime I,m going to have to say the isk farmers are the true rebels.
Sorry friends, I would like to please help me hunting ? the army said I could hunt Could you come here and what are? hi, you come to violence my boat? The army told me to leave I will leave okay please do not let me leave here in good friends
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Snake Jankins
Minmatar German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:35:00 -
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A thread with such a topic would be incomplete without a Star Fraction post. Good to see they are still having the same agenda. Already thought they had given up swimming against the stream tbh. ___________ I've never been so serious as I am now. No, really. |
Bein Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:20:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg
Originally by: Bein Glorious
most of the stuff i know about women is from the nintendo 64 games though just fyi
hey |
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Jankins A thread with such a topic would be incomplete without a Star Fraction post. Good to see they are still having the same agenda. Already thought they had given up swimming against the stream tbh.
Thats the essence of it really Snake! It really is "swimming against the stream". Hence my earlier (long) post explaining how unless an organization is going to try to shake the conditioning imposed by the game mechanics (NBSI) and developer preferred architecture (POS/Sovereignty indirect war) then it can't really be considered in the least bit subversive and revolutionary.
As you probably know we've incorporated this whole thing into our RP ideology in the terms of "memetic tyranny" which put simply means:
Our characters believe that all the capsule pilots (ie players) in the Eve star cluster (game) are being manipulated by a sinister non-human intelligence that has an agenda of ensuring the status quo and keeping the capsuleers busy fighting stupid little territorial wars jumping through hoops of tower deployment and land grabbing that are quite irrelevant to the technological level and possibilities of the setting.
Point is that the moment we become capsule pilots (begin the game) we're becoming a different kind of human being from the (imaginary) people on the planets below and suddenly we have the ability to build or barter for anything we need without needing to pay taxes or surrender our independence and personal will to the bureaucrats in government in the traditional (background) empires.
And yet. Somehow 99% of capsule pilots end up as footsoldiers grinding away in somebody else's territorial war or simply earning a wage and jumping when "the system" tells them to jump. Betraying the possibilities granted them, accepting inherited wisdom, failing to question the status quo and generally behaving like the white lab mice they are while running around from one hunk of test cheese to another. Our Roleplay is that "something" is behind this. Evil memetics, meddling AIs, Jovian infiltrators, even a malicious fallen god-figure perhaps - but this "something" makes the herd act as the herd and ensures that freedoms out there in the eve universe are usually ignored in favor of doing the same old same old.
Example case in point:
Lets look at Cyno Jammers.
Why do they need sovereignty levels to work? The technology is fairly straightforward right? You fire the thing up and no cyno fields can be opened in the system. Its an energy field that makes it impossible to open a cyno beacon system wide. But why does it need Sovereignty to work? And what exactly IS Sovereignty?
Sure sure, you'll say sovereignty is having x number of towers in y number of places and eventually Concord register you have Z sovereignty level. So its just a legalistic thing then? An administrative technicality? Because if thats the case then the Cyno Jammers themselves are just pre-programmed in firmware to only activate when the Concord Registry for the system has certain qualifying status data in it?
Just information? So all these outward 0.0 empires that pride themselves on building space empires are basically just patsies of Concord who's apparent "freedom" of action is dictated by administrative oversight from core empires and Concord super bureaucracy. Jump through Concord's hoops and get a piece of cheese little test-mice.
Where are the true rebels? In eve terms it'd be the people hacking cyno jammer tech and making it work without Sovereignty. People slipping the leash of central authority and oversight and breaking the unseen dominion of whatever powers dictate these things.
Sovereignty is just a way of keeping score. Its numbers in a database. It has no actual power or existence beyond the effects granted it by the surrounding bureaucracy of the "sandbox". But in 0.0 space the sandbox is actually a laboratory maze for all the little mice chasing cheese.
Think about that.
War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:33:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
You're still the best.
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Hardin
Amarr Federation Holding Corp Void Dragon Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:35:00 -
[113]
I, too, believe in fairies...
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:52:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Hardin I, too, believe in fairies...
Doesn't matter what you believe in Hardin ... keep on putting up the POS and looking for your reward
War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:58:00 -
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Actually, the "something" wants constant strife throughout the galaxy. The Fraction is unwittingly serving its agenda along with everyone else.
The only way to defeat the "something" is to stay docked and play on the forums instead. It's also less buggy and laggy that way.
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Super Twinkey69
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:07:00 -
[116]
this thred needs more TRI
y4r
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Swirler
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:07:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Murtala
I said BoB was like the evil empire in Star Wars; big ships, highly efficient and ruthless and very arrogant. I said Goons were like the Reavers in Firefly. Thousands of members, lots of small ships, vulgar, rude and geeks. ----
Did you tell your friend you don't know jack about Eve and run missions in empire? BoB are the good guys, Goons are the D00ch3 B@6s. 8-)
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duckmonster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:12:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Able Citizen
Originally by: Gegi Wau
Originally by: Raid CVA
sorta....
In RP terms, CVA fight for the expansion of the oppressive and slave-holding Amarrian Empire (eventually, all over the universe - but for now, they'll content themselves with Providence). That hardly qualifies them as freedom fighters, I'd say.
This pilot captured the true essence of CVA. Being NRDS doesn't make you a "freedom fighter"; especially if your NRDS policy is conditioned on location.
Pirates' freedom is curtailed by those devils in CONCORD; neither do pirates fight for others' freedom.
The Star Fraction is unique in that while we do not purport to fight battles for any one specific group, our fight is ideological in nature: fighting against the oppressive memetics of territorial, imperialist concerns.
Star fraction fight against Enclosurism and other made up words. ----------- HI IM DUCKMONSTER VOTE DUCKMONSTER IK OF CAOD 07 Leave my goddam sig alone valorem |
Hardin
Amarr Federation Holding Corp Void Dragon Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Hardin I, too, believe in fairies...
Doesn't matter what you believe in Hardin ... keep on putting up the POS and looking for your reward
Oh I shall Jasmine, safe in the knowledge that this is all a bit of fun....
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Masu'di
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:37:00 -
[120]
Foundati0n probably fall into this category, they do not operate NBSI and have lived in the Great Wildlands for many years. They tend to be out-numbered but have never been fully driven out. They have a number of good FCs who fight in a guerilla warfare style, maintaining a fairly good efficiency against their main enemies -V- .
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