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Tjemjak
Hendrix Angels Fabricated Confabulations
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Posted - 2012.02.04 06:32:00 -
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Hey,
i would like to collect some ideas on a Flagship for high/lowsec warfare with 5-10 man fleets.
Everything, hull, fitting and how the support fleet should look like can be a matter of discussion.
Overall budget is 5-6 bil which should also cover cost for implants if suggested.
Thx,
TJ |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.02.04 06:41:00 -
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Umm Flagship is not a term we use... for anything really.
Do you mean a Command Ship fitting Gang Links or a Capital Ship like a Carrier or just a survivable heavy tanked ship that is hard to remove from the field.
It would also help to know the general make up of the gang, is it all Battleships, or Shield Battlecruisers, or HAC's or Frigs or a mixed fleet. Does your Gang plan to Camp or does it need Mobility, is it close range long range.
Also we don't really know what you can fly. |
Tjemjak
Hendrix Angels Fabricated Confabulations
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Posted - 2012.02.04 06:48:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Umm Flagship is not a term we use... for anything really.
Do you mean a Command Ship fitting Gang Links or a Capital Ship like a Carrier or just a survivable heavy tanked ship that is hard to remove from the field.
It would also help to know the general make up of the gang, is it all Battleships, or Shield Battlecruisers, or HAC's or Frigs or a mixed fleet. Does your Gang plan to Camp or does it need Mobility, is it close range long range.
Also we don't really know what you can fly.
term was used in AT e.g. and should be well known.
yea i agree. command ship is such different. not carrier, since its for low and high sec warfare. I dont want to give any restrictions really since fitting can be changed, and the fleet around it aswell ofc. However, lts say close range. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.02.04 06:52:00 -
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This was the flagship of the Parsec Flux fleet for a long time:
[Basilisk, Solo Basilisk] Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
10MN Afterburner II Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Improved Cloaking Device II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Hornet EC-300 x5
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Alara IonStorm
1528
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Posted - 2012.02.04 07:15:00 -
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Tjemjak wrote: term was used in AT e.g. and should be well known.
However, lts say close range.
So according to massively it just means faction fit Battleship in Tourney Speak.
If I were to take my pic I would say go with a Slaved or LG Slaved Vindicator then for a close range fleet with a Faction Web and Faction Dmg Mods.
That should be within your Budget. |
Tjemjak
Hendrix Angels Fabricated Confabulations
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Posted - 2012.02.04 07:34:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Tjemjak wrote: term was used in AT e.g. and should be well known.
However, lts say close range.
So according to massively it just means faction fit Battleship in Tourney Speak. If I were to take my pic I would say go with a Slaved or LG Slaved Vindicator then for a close range fleet with a Faction Web and Faction Dmg Mods. That should be within your Budget.
yea, nice call. that was what i did come up with.
what about bhaalgorn? |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.02.04 08:18:00 -
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Opux Luxury Yacht should do the trick. Heretic Army CEO Host of Frigfry Fridays http://judelloyd.blog.com/ -á |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.04 09:14:00 -
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Damnation or Vulture depending on your fleet comp. Or maybe a Claymore, all can fit stupid tanks, the Claymore has the worst buffer sadly due to loosing out on the resist bonus, but if you need a useful Flagship there the way to go IMO. Slaved vindi if you just want a big DPS bringing brick but CS are more beneficial assuming a gang of around 10+ in size. And certainly not some ******** Basi that wants to be a Scimitar.
Edit; loving the EM resist on the Basi by the way, I'm sure your glad EM ammo isn't widely used... |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
753
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Posted - 2012.02.04 09:26:00 -
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That Basi saw way more fights than your character has total kills. :)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
41
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Posted - 2012.02.04 09:40:00 -
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That may well be the case. Still don't see the point, it's not gonna tank much even assuming you manage perfect range control, which in the days of 100k web/point is difficult the thing wil die horribly to anything that has greater range than your shield reps which is if i remember, about 80k or less.
Feel free to enlighten me to the point of it. |
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Wyte Ragnarok
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Posted - 2012.02.04 09:43:00 -
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Tjemjak wrote: term was used in AT e.g. and should be well known.
Low sec =/= Alliance Tournament.
I hope your 6 billion isk backside gets hot dropped by PL.
Liang Nuren wrote:Ed: For that matter, I got more kills last month than you have lifetime kills. Yes. But you realise you're talking to CVA. I mean really... It's CVA. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
753
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Posted - 2012.02.04 09:44:00 -
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Wyte Ragnarok wrote:Yes. But you realise you're talking to CVA. I mean really... It's CVA.
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.04 09:47:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Wyte Ragnarok wrote:Yes. But you realise you're talking to CVA. I mean really... It's CVA.
Sorry I forgot blobbing horribly fit Drakes and killing solo Rifters with 2 T2 frigs is "leet Pvp", if you enliten me to the purpose of the Basi I will happily accept it as read. |
Wyte Ragnarok
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Posted - 2012.02.04 09:54:00 -
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Oh I wasn't referring to the Basi. More the fact that Liang gets more kills in a month than you do in a lifetime.
Where did I mention anything about blobs?
Although. Now you mention it. You have a point. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.04 09:59:00 -
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Meh, don't get a whole lot of play time, and yes we blob things, primarily because we fight blobs of equal or larger size, way the world works. I Genuinely don't care about all this KB crap, just don't really see the point in the Basi its an honest question.
Oh and I'd like to see how long it takes you to solo a TCU :P |
I Legionnaire
The Phoenix Program
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Posted - 2012.02.04 10:12:00 -
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Bhaalgorn backed up by a cap-feeding Guardian. |
Sicex
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Posted - 2012.02.04 10:18:00 -
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Wouldn't it be cool if we had flagships though? Not super weapon-ships but truly ornate or indomitable ships representing a racial supremacy. The titans are a weapon.. a null-sec weapon at that, but what if we had parade style weapons platforms that could traverse all space?
To add further balance, make them PVP Tournament prizes or some other sort of limited release mechanism... non-buildable but not invisible. Maybe the racial Navy rebuilds them for free when lost?...
Flagships, mang.... |
Tjemjak
Hendrix Angels Fabricated Confabulations
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Posted - 2012.02.04 10:21:00 -
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Wyte Ragnarok - just week. |
Wyte Ragnarok
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Posted - 2012.02.04 10:26:00 -
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Tjemjak wrote:Wyte Ragnarok - just week. One week or two?
Edit: On a more serious note though. Just grab a ship. Why spend 6 bill on something you'll take into low sec? If you're looking for a high sec flagship for your war parade then fine. A Slaved Vindicator or Slaved Damnation would be best. Either way, Slave it and get a couple of Guardian pilots to back you up. It would be awesome. I confess. |
madsamo
HyberNation.
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Posted - 2012.02.04 13:12:00 -
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Heavy Interdictor or command ships can both fit ridiculous tanks and do some decent dps. You WILL be primairied with either one though |
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2012.02.04 15:20:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Tjemjak wrote: term was used in AT e.g. and should be well known.
However, lts say close range.
So according to massively it just means faction fit Battleship in Tourney Speak. If I were to take my pic I would say go with a Slaved or LG Slaved Vindicator then for a close range fleet with a Faction Web and Faction Dmg Mods. That should be within your Budget. For some people slaved faction battleships make up the majority of their fleet. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.04 15:35:00 -
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You find 'flagships' in wormholes. The limited mass allowance and lack of supercaps, combined with the riches found within, leads to highly pimped and relative rare battleships. You'll find fleets with a single bhaalgorn worth 5bil in there.
OTOH, there are highly pimped ships in the game like to imperial apocalypse, the tribal issue tempest etc. They could be considered flagships aswell and are irreplaceable. |
Katalci
D.I.R.T
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Posted - 2012.02.06 05:37:00 -
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If you mean a good boat for the FC to fly, then use a fleet command ship, t3, or something cloaky. Stick a probe launcher and cyno on it, too.
If that's not what you mean, then why do you only have one "flagship" instead of an entire fleet of them?
madsamo wrote:Heavy Interdictor or command ships can both fit ridiculous tanks and do some decent dps. You WILL be primairied with either one though Who in their right mind primaries a Damnation? |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
754
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Posted - 2012.02.06 05:56:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Wyte Ragnarok wrote:Yes. But you realise you're talking to CVA. I mean really... It's CVA. Sorry I forgot blobbing horribly fit Drakes and killing solo Rifters with 2 T2 frigs is "leet Pvp", if you enliten me to the purpose of the Basi I will happily accept it as read.
The Basi was used to engage under sentry fire when we were overwhelmingly outnumbered by the locals. Things like taking a BC gang into faction BS fleets and cap fleets while taking sentries ourselves. That's why the extra reps and extra local tank are so much more important than what you can get out of a Scim.
The cloak helps get fights too - you'd be amazed how often 10 man BS fleets from well known PVP corps/alliances will refuse to engage 4 BCs and a solo Basi. :)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:06:00 -
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Killboard stats are ******* awesome. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
754
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:10:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Killboard stats are ******* awesome.
The worst thing about KB stats is that they encourage people to be **** - playing for the KM or playing to avoid the lossmail. Risk averse PVP is not fun PVP. On the flip side, they all tell their own story - and years later you can look back and be like "lol, man remember that Domi we nailed with a couple frigates?"
-Liang
Ed: And besides, I don't rely solely on my KB stats. But you should know that. ;-) AND YES I STILL HATE YOU. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:05:00 -
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Bhaalgorn full neuts with some faction webs and all the tank that your money can buy, pimp eanm, slaves, maybe T2 trimark. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
287
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:10:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote: Ed: And besides, I don't rely solely on my KB stats. But you should know that. ;-) AND YES I STILL HATE YOU.
You could have just said, "i engage dudes who don't fire EM under sentries and need to active tank as a result" instead of "lol you have no kills." |
Elistea
G U N G N I R Y G G D R A S I L
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:52:00 -
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Simple answer. Bhaalgorn.
Most precious asset to any fleet. |
GenesisMike
University of Asshattery Asshat Vendetta
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:56:00 -
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As others have said already a Flagship is whatever you want it to be. Flagships are generally the ship flying the "flag" of the commander or as some people have come to view it as the "Bismark" of their fleet. In reading your post it looks as if you are trying to find a ship which to anchor a fleet around. I like flying the Bhaalgorn as others have stated, for a small group you can go cookie cutter fit's but make sure it has a strong tank. Faction BS's often draw attention. Fit it to the needs of your group, if you have plenty of DPS go for a rack of Neuts and kill any cap in sight. If you are flying with a smaller group (please always have logi with a Bhaal if you ever take it out) go with the standard 4 MPII's and 3 Neuts, again LOTS of tank since with good skills and implants I run 800+ DPS with one INHS and drones.
I agree with others though regarding KB stats and such, even a Bhaalgorn fitted with Faction/Officer mods can burn quickly if you get blobbed so be prepared to pod home if you take it out.
Have fun whichever ship you take out. Hope this helps.
Message me in game for a fit if you want. |
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