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Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
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Posted - 2012.02.04 10:58:00 -
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When it comes to gankers vs miners I know what side I'm on. I personally think hulkagaddon should be scrapped. But 5 years on and it's still going. Hulkagaddon will come as sure as night follows day. So this thread is for all my fellow miners out there that want help setting up and getting ready for the dark days to come. I'm asking for other fellow miners to post successful mining tips during combat situation. Can you really tank a hulk for high sec? Will a covetor be a better idea. Is it better to invest in warp core stabilisers or shield hardeners? Is a fleet of ECM drones with 1 combat drone any good if you did need to go afk for any reason. What would you recommend to give another miner that edge for when the lights start blazing ? |
malaire
198
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Posted - 2012.02.04 11:05:00 -
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Dock. New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
326
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Posted - 2012.02.04 11:07:00 -
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This.
Any other thing you plan on doing will not work and will result in tears.
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Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
799
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Posted - 2012.02.04 11:11:00 -
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1. don't be afk 2. watch local 3. use D-scan 4. be aligned to your GTFO-warp point 5. at least TRY to fit some kind of tank 6. do not fly a mining ship that you cannot afford to lose 7. do not wear implants that you cannot afford to lose
If all above fails, buy your new stuff from me -.- |
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
2
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Posted - 2012.02.04 11:15:00 -
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D-scan? |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
7
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Posted - 2012.02.04 11:16:00 -
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Survived two suicide attempts by not fitting mining mods and using the slots for defense.
But those where single suiciders and as long as you could survive two volleys you were good.
Now there are t3 battlecruisers I doubt you would survive. |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
799
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Posted - 2012.02.04 11:19:00 -
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@ Maxious:
Directional scan, 360 degrees, maximum range. Should you see ships like Catalysts, Thrashers, Typhoons (smartbombing devastation, here we come), Tier 3 BCs....maybe you should consider to dock.
There are several tutorials for D-scan, just google it. -.- |
Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2012.02.04 11:24:00 -
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Yes you can tank a hulk for hi-sec, I survived an attack by four members of gunmetal diplomacy but it's expensive and reduces your mining yelds. Another idea if you have the ability is to put a remote shield repper on an Orca and rep your hulks shields. Another thing is to move away from mission/trade hubs. Always keep in mind that even freighters are not immune from being ganked, use only what you can afford to lose.
diversity is the spice of life they say, I have the ability to switch from mining to lvl 4 missions, to going of into WH space for a week or two. During Hulkageddon I can disapear off their radar. This is what you should be aiming for. |
Hans Hoff
Mine n Mellow
1
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Posted - 2012.02.04 11:26:00 -
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Hulkageddon or not, if you are mining in low sec then it's a chance that you take 52 weeks out of the year. If you're talking about high sec mining and you are a genuine player and not a bot, go work on your standings for a couple of weeks, run a few missions. When it all boils down to it the more ships that are destroyed in Hulkageddon the better it is for miners. Minerals are in demand to build replacements. Long live Hulkageddon or any other venture that destroys ships. |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
799
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Posted - 2012.02.04 11:29:00 -
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Hans Hoff wrote:Hulkageddon or not, if you are mining in low sec then it's a chance that you take 52 weeks out of the year. If you're talking about high sec mining and you are a genuine player and not a bot, go work on your standings for a couple of weeks, run a few missions. When it all boils down to it the more ships that are destroyed in Hulkageddon the better it is for miners. Minerals are in demand to build replacements. Long live Hulkageddon or any other venture that destroys ships.
Someone who understands economics. I like you. -.- |
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Liam Mirren
226
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Posted - 2012.02.04 12:13:00 -
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The only preparation miners need to do is actually learning how to play the fricking game. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Cortana Michelle
Don't Tap on the Glass
0
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Posted - 2012.02.04 13:38:00 -
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I've been able to survive high sec ganks with my hulk tank. I use inv fields and a combo of gist and gistii shield recharger and amps with power diagnostics. (or faction stuff) My fit is also cap stable. Maybe also a faction armor repairer I've also used same in 0.0 to tank the bs rats. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
225
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Posted - 2012.02.04 13:47:00 -
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Cortana Michelle wrote:I've been able to survive high sec ganks with my hulk tank. I use inv fields and a combo of gist and gistii shield recharger and amps with power diagnostics. (or faction stuff) My fit is also cap stable. Maybe also a faction armor repairer I've also used same in 0.0 to tank the bs rats.
I foresee tornado alerts in your future... |
Cortana Michelle
Don't Tap on the Glass
0
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Posted - 2012.02.04 14:06:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Cortana Michelle wrote:I've been able to survive high sec ganks with my hulk tank. I use inv fields and a combo of gist and gistii shield recharger and amps with power diagnostics. (or faction stuff) My fit is also cap stable. Maybe also a faction armor repairer I've also used same in 0.0 to tank the bs rats. I foresee tornado alerts in your future...
Even with Hulkageddon I stay inside in my basement for a week. One of my alts also build t1 and t2 barges so that I can sell them to the unfortunate. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
98
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Posted - 2012.02.04 14:18:00 -
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Not being aware of the tools available is why so many miners end up sitting in their pod, or worse. Try this guide on Directional Scanner in other MMO's stupid people are annoying. In EVE they are a valuable resource /facebrick for those times when /facepalm just isn't enough
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B DeLeon
DeLeon Industries
30
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Posted - 2012.02.04 14:20:00 -
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Mine with Rokh! Less yield but more safety and cheap |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
303
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Posted - 2012.02.04 15:08:00 -
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Maxious wrote:When it comes to gankers vs miners I know what side I'm on. I personally think hulkagaddon should be scrapped. But 5 years on and it's still going. Hulkagaddon will come as sure as night follows day. So this thread is for all my fellow miners out there that want help setting up and getting ready for the dark days to come. I'm asking for other fellow miners to post successful mining tips during combat situation. Can you really tank a hulk for high sec? Will a covetor be a better idea. Is it better to invest in warp core stabilisers or shield hardeners? Is a fleet of ECM drones with 1 combat drone any good if you did need to go afk for any reason. What would you recommend to give another miner that edge for when the lights start blazing ?
Read the Unholy Union Thread.
H'geddon is over. Mind you I look forward to it as well. But 'tis indeed not happening.
Helicity Boson is unfortunately AWOL..and nobody but nobody will trust ANYONE else with the prize ships and monies.
Actually, upon thinking about it this morning....the idea has become rather old hat.
We need a new idea like the Goon's Gallente Ice Interdiction. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Tub Chil
Heretic University Heretic Nation
15
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Posted - 2012.02.04 15:42:00 -
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[Rokh, mining] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Co-Processor II Co-Processor II
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Survey Scanner II [empty med slot]
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
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Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
57
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Posted - 2012.02.04 15:57:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Read the Unholy Union Thread.
H'geddon is over. Mind you I look forward to it as well. But 'tis indeed not happening.
Helicity Boson is unfortunately AWOL..and nobody but nobody will trust ANYONE else with the prize ships and monies.
Actually, upon thinking about it this morning....the idea has become rather old hat.
We need a new idea like the Goon's Gallente Ice Interdiction.
We don't need a specific event to kill hulks. Crashing suicide-fit destroyers and BCs into as many exhumers as you can find used to be something people did purely for the hell of it. Now everyone wants to wait for some event and get prizes like a bunch of carebears.
2 catalysts can push out 1300 DPS with a good fit and void now. Everyone knows how ridiculous tornado alpha is. Go out there and shoot something! Gotta do something with all that ISK. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
The Watchmaker Diplomat
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 23:32:00 -
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ARISE DEAD THREAD! ARISE! (The Song This thread was long long dead and thus could no longer give great head so I brought it up onto my comfy bed and shoved down its throat lots of cold lead but I soon became so full of dread thinking that this thread had been misread so I cried and cried before it said "Stupid girl with hair of chrome re let us leave and take to the hills on a great sled. So off into the distance she led with her necrotic leg named Billy-Bob Fred which had stroked my swollen head when I was yesterday eating garlic bread whilst being blinded by light of infrared coming from a rotten dragon's head which were unfortunately widespread from my brothers and sisters now interbred thanks to great tasting deceptive french bread but I should have still gone ahead and my mother I should have behead because now that I find that I'm mislead by this thread which was once sadly unwed and murdered and laid to rest on page 100 completely dead
But I am not finished just yet 5000 character I shall not forget else I will become a pink brunette that eats psychotic maggot baguettes but there is one thing that is dead set that is that this thread will reach page 1 without regret for all cold eyes to thankfully beset and henceforth break out into an excited sweat "Nostalgia! Nostalgia!" They will quartet to the sounds of CCPs clarinet which hail the arrival of angelic duets about the Watchmaker's will to not upset If only this could cure the national debt I would be come a wonderful baronet to rule over hundreds of violent cadets as they acquire ISKies by sexual threats
This post however will disappear soon way way before the month of June unless I enter Hulkaggeddons dark room to relate this post to its chaotic bloom Oh Helicity I would love to swoon and lead her to my special tomb and show her the entrance to my womb but her mind I shall not hastily consume for I wish her not eternal gloom but a life time in beautiful costume smelling of heavenly perfume so that in her love I would thus be entombed and I can therefore only presume that we would then ride together to our doom destroying all those who do exhume
My death in her arms shall set me free from this wicked life as an amputee but in death I shall hopefully decree "Helicity my love, bury me at sea so that the fish shall swim forever in thee and as my faithful trustee she will deliver me to the red sea After consuming large volumes of fresh tea and paying the train driver lots of rupees into the sea she shall scatter my debris bringing my soul so much glee so much so that I won't become a banshee all thanks to my wonderful appointee an eternal devotee to the Watchmaker's guarantee that no thread on Helicity's will shall flee to a lock by the the moderator's key
Arise dead thread! Arise Let the world hear your cries As page one you do once more baptize And to our allies we advise look out for those sneaky spies that would otherwise be cleverly disguised behind veils of cold french fries which no one but mongrels despise But let them not deceive us guys we should come to a great compromise and win quickly a Nobel prize which would indeed be a great surprise but keep your eyes on the skies else succumb you will to a quick demise at the hands of German thighs with mutant snake eyes consuming all our supplies including our tasty tasty apple pies which were otherwise quite wise when ganking was decriminalized
Though depressed I quickly become as I am more then a little dumb for beating my horribly empty drum As to CCP I am but spamming scum when in reality from where I do come I am a magician chewing peppermint gum with a wrist as fit as my thumb and a overweight turtle for my mum which makes my foot become a little numb and I then vocalize quietly "Umm? before licking my dead foot, yum
"Oh dear is it over yet" they scream They know however it is just a pipe dream 2000 characters left in this great scheme to awake the masses with ice cream and begin my new neo **** regime by which we do now deem that the Watchmaker and Helicity reign supreme over all the red water streams oh yes we are very extreme, have you not noticed the common theme
But here I have sat for more then an hour I haven't even had time for a shower but the EVE masses I must first empower or if necessary start a nuclear tower so that with Helicity my eternal flower who shall never in the face of danger cower we may rule over the GoonSwarm power
What about the Mittani you say Well he does likes to play croquet and sometimes he does betray or lead wildly astray those who graciously perform ballet after being fed a large buffet with lots of alcohol I dare say but at least life I don't throw away and at least Helicity loves to play with tasty defenseless prey so much easier then writing an essay or sending secret dossiers which are full of stupid cliches found in all hipster cafes who try in vain to horribly convey that they are not anything but gay and do not worry its okay we shall soon reach the twelfth day which is most certainly not the usa because there are not lots of x-rays which try to create false surveys leading us to be cast away so far from my fiance who will never be killed by a manta ray nor the milky milky way but rather Helicity will pass away on a long and tiring working day from a broken heart of valentines da when I began to experience exponential decay
Time is now beginning to run out for us who are definitely not boy scouts but rather we are red sea trouts who love to eat brussels sprouts and spend the day tending to crippling drough
Goodbye my dear hope you have a great year and no I'm not ***** just a very good engineer of words which no doubt interfere but they are not too severe and at least I'm sincere rather then a mutineer but who knows? It's unclear! |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
570
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Posted - 2012.04.14 23:47:00 -
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Best defense?
Buy my minerals and stay docked.
Or
- If you are a miner:
Go out during Hulkageddon, mine, get popped then buy my exhumers, mods AND minerals.
- If you are a ganker:
Go out during Hulkageddon, kill, get popped then buy my gank boats, mods AND minerals. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
loco coco
7
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Posted - 2012.04.14 23:58:00 -
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If you got hulkageddon problems, I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but my miner ain't one.
Now that that's out of the way.
If you don't want to get popped in a hulk, but a covetor. They mine about 90% as fast as a hulk with all skills at 5 (which if you're mining in a hulk, they should be). 33m loss instead of the now 350m loss.
Get out of highsec. Go find a large alliance or at least one that knows what it's doing down in nullsec. You can mine to your hearts content as long as you have someone to deal with the rats, or if you have a second account with a combat char on it, you can dual box and mine by yourself. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
605
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Posted - 2012.04.15 00:10:00 -
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Maxious wrote:When it comes to gankers vs miners I know what side I'm on. I personally think hulkagaddon should be scrapped. But 5 years on and it's still going. Hulkagaddon will come as sure as night follows day. So this thread is for all my fellow miners out there that want help setting up and getting ready for the dark days to come. I'm asking for other fellow miners to post successful mining tips during combat situation. Can you really tank a hulk for high sec? Will a covetor be a better idea. Is it better to invest in warp core stabilisers or shield hardeners? Is a fleet of ECM drones with 1 combat drone any good if you did need to go afk for any reason. What would you recommend to give another miner that edge for when the lights start blazing ? Hulks are selling at 314m in Jita, which is just insane, so I built myself some Covetors which are a tenth the price.
As for a tanked Hulk (don't forget to overheat the hardeners if attacked, or suspicious, they last about 2m):
[Hulk, EHP] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Vespa EC-600 x5 |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
243
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Posted - 2012.04.15 00:22:00 -
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Are you a paranoid miner? Do you spend all your time mining asteroids? Do you fear the upcoming 'Hulkageddon'?
Then have I got a message for you:
"Don't Panic!"
Yes! For just a few seconds stop and turn on your brain and consider the size of the EVE universe. Pretty damn big isn't it?
"But Muppet, they know where I mine!"
Well friend, let point your asteroid shaped burned retinas to this map... See this, this, and this? Those are called TRADE HUBS. If you are within four jumps of them, Hulkageddon or not, you are asking to get ganked.
"But if I go more than four jumps from the trade hub we waste time hauling or have our profits cut!"
You are aware that there are NPC manufacturing hubs outside of four jumps of the trade hubs right? You can sell your minerals or metals there and actually make a decent profit right?
"But Muppet, it is my money and I want it now!"
(sigh) Please just get away from the trade hubs.
"But Muppet, we are more than four jumps from the trade hubs!"
Ok, what race controls your region?
"Caldari of course"
OK, rule two: stay out of Caldari space, for some reason gankers LOVE Caldari. All I can figure is that they love snails for dinner but spellcheck using a Ouija board.
"But Muppet, I spent a lot of isk for this ship and a Tornado can pop it in a single shot!"
The is EVE idiot. If they REALLY want to kill you they can. Fit a tank and pay attention!
"But Muppet, if I fit a tank I can't mine as much or haul as much, it will hurt my profits!"
FUKUNG is down you idiot, you can still pay attention can't you?
"But Muppet, if I have to pay attention I might miss the action filled scene of my movie. You don't expect me to actually pay attention to mining do you?"
(sigh) No, I expect you to die. I would like to thank you in advance for helping drawing fire away from the other miners during this event. I must commend you in your efforts to be in several kill mails during Hulkageddon, you patronage is the sign of a true devotee of EVE Online. I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1257
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Posted - 2012.04.15 00:49:00 -
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Actually this years Hulkageddon will be intersting to observe.
I've never had any love for miners as at previous income rates, they all used to be bots, macros or some weirdos operating 20 accounts at once so I wasn't too unhappy whenever one was ganked (although I never did it - only ships I personally suicide-ganked were Tengus).
With increasing ore/min/ship prices and banned bots there'll be human miners again and it will be more apparent that gankers are biting the hand that feeds them.
It wont change the good people organizing the events as their interst was profiting from the event to begin with, but it will be interesting to see if the number of drooling idiots falling for them and doing the dirty work will be diminished. You know... morons. |
Mythra
La Mortis
0
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Posted - 2012.04.15 00:56:00 -
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Or you could fly the below ships and laugh at the catalysts that come to gank you. Course if you see tornado's I'd recommend that you GTFO.
Quote: Mining Rokh with included orca stats are: 223k ehp 83.9 em 79.2 therm 84.4 kin 87 exp 1806 yield with 5% highwall implant without orca: 187k ehp 83.4 em 77.5 them 83.1 kin 85.9 exp 1404 yield with 5% highwall implant [Rokh, mining] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Damage Control II
EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Drone II x5
Tanked Orca 226k ehp 78.6 em 72.4 therm 79.3 kin 82.7 exp [Orca, New Setup 1] Capacitor Power Relay II Damage Control II
EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
These fits will put you comfortably into the freighter ehp zone if not over and thus greatly increasing the cost and effort to gank you. Now to truely be as gank resistant as possible you need to borrow or steal this from Chribba: [Revelation, Veldnaught] Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Energized Armor Layering Membrane II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Siege Module II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II
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Whitehound
66
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Posted - 2012.04.15 01:29:00 -
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If you do not know what to do then try to have fun. Take your mining ship and see if you can get through to Jita in a barge or an exhumer. I bet you will not be able to. So get a few barges, they are cheap, and try a few times until you succeed. This should be hilarious. |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.04.15 02:04:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:This. Any other thing you plan on doing will not work and will result in tears.
Ive never stopped during it and never got ganked so yeah GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
loco coco
8
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Posted - 2012.04.15 03:28:00 -
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Elyssa MacLeod wrote:Jarnis McPieksu wrote:This. Any other thing you plan on doing will not work and will result in tears. Ive never stopped during it and never got ganked so yeah
This years main target! |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
669
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Posted - 2012.04.15 03:34:00 -
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Surviving ganks is easy.
Always be aligned.
Only thing this is not very effective for is Ice mining... and if you do such actively, you have my pity. |
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Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.04.15 04:29:00 -
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You can tell Hulkageddons on the way when youre selling loot from a mission and all the passive targetters and smartbombs are selling at 75% or higher of average GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
453
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Posted - 2012.04.15 04:48:00 -
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play sc2, bf3, world of tanks, wow. I have more space likes than you.-á |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
70
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Posted - 2012.04.15 04:54:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:I've never had any love for miners as at previous income rates, they all used to be bots, macros or some weirdos operating 20 accounts at once so I wasn't too unhappy whenever one was ganked (although I never did it - only ships I personally suicide-ganked were Tengus). .
Generalities tuen one into a lair. I've been a miner my whole career, during mineral market crashes and high mineral bull markets.. no, I never botted, ran a macro... or used more than 3 accounts at once. Most ganker/griefers demonize their targets to make themselves feel better about being the bully.. but that's just human nature I suppose.
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
275
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Posted - 2012.04.15 04:55:00 -
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Dont be a miner for a while. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
70
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Posted - 2012.04.15 05:02:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:If you do not know what to do then try to have fun. Take your mining ship and see if you can get through to Jita in a barge or an exhumer. I bet you will not be able to. So get a few barges, they are cheap, and try a few times until you succeed. This should be hilarious.
this is really creative. I like it. you could frap the whole thing.. with the right subtitles could be hilarious. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Kreeia Dgore
EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis
5
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Posted - 2012.04.15 05:35:00 -
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Step one: Dock Step two: Go mission running. Step three: Once the prices hit the roof, which they will in a week or 10 days after the inferno is released, sell all ore supply i have for huge profit. Step four: Be rich and dance while laughing like a lunatic on a pile of cash.
I love EVE. |
Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
962
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:00:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:....
I've never had any love for miners as at previous income rates, they all used to be bots, macros or some weirdos operating 20 accounts at once so I wasn't too unhappy whenever one was ganked (although I never did it - only ships I personally suicide-ganked were Tengus).
With increasing ore/min/ship prices and banned bots there'll be human miners again and it will be more apparent that gankers are biting the hand that feeds them. ...
The average hulk pilot has changed, too. When I started EVE, the hulk was considered the end-game of any industrial character, the apex of your achievements that every Bantam-Miner dreamed about but only very few had hopes to ever achieve....
Nowadays, mining corps tell their newbies to train straightly to the hulk and skip every other skill, and promise to hand them out the hulk once they have the skills to use them. Your average (human) hulk pilot today is a 2-3 months old newbie with about 5 M SP, all in mining, and no clue about the game.
Ganking those creatures would make me feel small and miserable, but the good thing is that I don't have to. With t2 strip miners selling for above 6 M in my region now, it is like getting a 10 M bounty on every hulk destroyed...so please, carry on!
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lanyaie
118
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:01:00 -
[38] - Quote
Bring boosting alts+ Logi's I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
483
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:04:00 -
[39] - Quote
mine in mission sites d scan for combat probes
there is also grav sites, but then any kind of probes you have to watch out for. |
Dr Silkworth
Two Geezers in Space
12
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:28:00 -
[40] - Quote
Dock, unsub; its should be obvious, concede 200 Goons are more powerful than you. CCP did. |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
572
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:10:00 -
[41] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:Surviving ganks is easy.
Always be aligned.
Only thing this is not very effective for is Ice mining... and if you do such actively, you have my pity.
Making 2-3B a month in a completely AFK setup certainly sucks.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:18:00 -
[42] - Quote
During Hulkadeggon do not mine, but sell minerals, mining ships and mining equipment.
During the rest of the year hoard minerals and produce mining ships and mining equipment.
Profit.
During Hulkageddon run Mining and Distribution missions to buff up standing for perfect refining (and jumpclones).
You can always mine during Hulkageddon and hope for the odds (the quieter the constellation and the higher the sec-status the better, Veldspar can be nice for a change...).
And if you mine during Hulkageddon:
a. mine alligned b. don't mine afk c. watch the overview d. warp out as soon as something seems fishy e. put on some buffer tank
Be prepared that there is no tank that can not be vaporized by dedicated gankers in seconds (or even alpha'd). |
Krenalla
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:28:00 -
[43] - Quote
Guys and Gals
You may be interested in a great thread titled "Prepping Gankers for Hulkaggedon"
Let the forum know in there how you would counter these dastardly tactics employed |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.04.15 12:10:00 -
[44] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Surviving ganks is easy.
Always be aligned.
Only thing this is not very effective for is Ice mining... and if you do such actively, you have my pity. Making 2-3B a month in a completely AFK setup certainly sucks.
for the rest of the game.... yes GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
namron 7
1-800-FUBAR
47
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Posted - 2012.04.15 12:12:00 -
[45] - Quote
Leave Caldari space and go somewhere else.
Cant give you any better advice than that. Thanks for the help |
QU0RRA
Isomorphic Algorithms
5
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Posted - 2012.04.15 12:27:00 -
[46] - Quote
Romar Agent wrote: And if you mine during Hulkageddon:
a. mine alligned b. don't mine afk c. watch the overview d. warp out as soon as something seems fishy e. put on some buffer tank
Be prepared that there is no tank that can not be vaporized by dedicated gankers in seconds (or even alpha'd).
All you points are excellent info, but point A shows that you do not either mine in a group nor mine with an Orca. For both you need to be static and passive allignment does not work.
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Whitehound
87
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Posted - 2012.04.15 13:23:00 -
[47] - Quote
In addition and only for the worst cases:
- Hankies
- Tissues
- Blankies
- Socks
- Cookies
- Hot chocolate
- Candles
- Music
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Whambot
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.04.15 13:59:00 -
[48] - Quote
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Surviving ganks is easy.
Always be aligned.
Only thing this is not very effective for is Ice mining... and if you do such actively, you have my pity. Making 2-3B a month in a completely AFK setup certainly sucks. for the rest of the game.... yes
Ya because you can't make twice that running incursions for the same amt of time...
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2012.04.15 14:05:00 -
[49] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:1. don't be afk 2. watch local 3. use D-scan 4. be aligned to your GTFO-warp point 5. at least TRY to fit some kind of tank 6. do not fly a mining ship that you cannot afford to lose 7. do not wear implants that you cannot afford to lose If all above fails, buy your new stuff from me
Yeah, being aligned is like the ultimate win.
I mean, sure, gankers could have a Warp Disruptor without really interfering with their fit at all. But mostly they don't bother because of the totally poor align time of Hulks.
I wonder if the 17 year old kid that is the target market for Dust will find CCP delightful inability to balance anything amusing. Well, at least they will be patient. I've heard 17 year old boys are known for their patience.
Well, what other First Person Shooter will he go to? With a captive market, CCP is actually pretty safe on Dust.
Oh boy, is that gonna go boom. |
Asher Brood
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.15 14:22:00 -
[50] - Quote
Mining Rohk -- great idea then looked at the prices of these ships... |
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
1258
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Posted - 2012.04.15 14:31:00 -
[51] - Quote
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Generalities easily turn one into a lair. I've been a miner my whole career, during mineral market crashes and high mineral bull markets.. no, I never botted, ran a macro... or used more than 3 accounts at once. Most ganker/griefers demonize their targets to make themselves feel better about being the bully.. but that's just human nature I suppose.
Fair enough - but just to understand you properly - what do you actually do when mining?
Honest question - do some people really sit there for hours, hitting D-Scan over and over again as has been suggested in this thread and just mine for a handfull of measly isk?
I have a character that can fly a hulk and I recently tried it (originally a hauling alt that I trained to serve my mains - just trained it because I had nothing else to train on it).
After a minute, I did something else on the second screen, later watched a little TV and then took my ebook reader out and read a book, just checking every now and then when i heard an 'asteroid depleted' message and jumping another char in a hauler back and forth.
That way it was pretty ok (as in - I was actually doing something else with an interactive screensaver in the background).
The most exciting thing happened when someone actually tried to suicide gank me in his catalyst but didn't manage to get beyond 30% shields.
But do people sit there and really 'play mining' in eve? You know... morons. |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.04.15 14:51:00 -
[52] - Quote
Low-sec vacation. For every player ship that blows up, the wheels of the economy turn slightly faster. -áDo your bit today. -áGo out and PEW.
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QU0RRA
Isomorphic Algorithms
5
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Posted - 2012.04.15 15:20:00 -
[53] - Quote
Large Collidable Object wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:
Generalities easily turn one into a lair. I've been a miner my whole career, during mineral market crashes and high mineral bull markets.. no, I never botted, ran a macro... or used more than 3 accounts at once. Most ganker/griefers demonize their targets to make themselves feel better about being the bully.. but that's just human nature I suppose.
Fair enough - but just to understand you properly - what do you actually do when mining? Honest question - do some people really sit there for hours, hitting D-Scan over and over again as has been suggested in this thread and just mine for a handfull of measly isk? I have a character that can fly a hulk and I recently tried it (originally a hauling alt that I trained to serve my mains - just trained it because I had nothing else to train on it). After a minute, I did something else on the second screen, later watched a little TV and then took my ebook reader out and read a book, just checking every now and then when i heard an 'asteroid depleted' message and jumping another char in a hauler back and forth. That way it was pretty ok (as in - I was actually doing something else with an interactive screensaver in the background). The most exciting thing happened when someone actually tried to suicide gank me in his catalyst but didn't manage to get beyond 30% shields. But do people sit there and really 'play mining' in eve?
Yep, I play "mining". Then again I run 2 orcas and 5 hulks. You CAN NOT mine AFK running multiple accounts and yes I hit D/Scan every once in a while to check local but more frequent when strangers are in local.
BTW those minerals are not sold for "measly isk" but used to produce hundereds of thrashers which I sell during hulkageddons. I now also have a tornado BP and have churned a few of those out too. These ships are placed in strategic areas of new eden awaiting the burning of Jita/Hulkageddon.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
417
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Posted - 2012.04.15 15:38:00 -
[54] - Quote
QU0RRA wrote:BTW those minerals are not sold for "measly isk" but used to produce hundereds of thrashers which I sell during hulkageddons. I now also have a tornado BP and have churned a few of those out too. These ships are placed in strategic areas of new eden awaiting the burning of Jita/Hulkageddon. Ah yes, minerals you mined are free... well thanks to CCP, it is well worth your time to mine, so thanks CCP !
Good job making thrashers though. Keep it up! Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
QU0RRA
Isomorphic Algorithms
6
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:11:00 -
[55] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:QU0RRA wrote:BTW those minerals are not sold for "measly isk" but used to produce hundereds of thrashers which I sell during hulkageddons. I now also have a tornado BP and have churned a few of those out too. These ships are placed in strategic areas of new eden awaiting the burning of Jita/Hulkageddon. Ah yes, minerals you mined are free... well thanks to CCP, it is well worth your time to mine, so thanks CCP ! Good job making thrashers though. Keep it up!
Excuse me but where did you get that assumption?
I factor in the price of minerals when producing. usually 10 - 30% above base price so that my mining time produces a profit. Which is why I never sell in that cesspool named Jita.
I would advise you to engage your brain every once in a while but considering you're a mindless drone of the goon hive I won't waste my time. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
54
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:17:00 -
[56] - Quote
Staying aligned is probably the safest precaution, well, other than joining a nullsec alliance ofc. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
554
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:24:00 -
[57] - Quote
Best way to deal with Hulkaggedon is to buy max number of NPC goods (namely cheapy skill books) until your wallet blinks empty. Then right click -> Destroy all the skill books, as well as checking all your assets to make sure you didn't miss anything. Then log out, log back in, select biomass character, go to sleep, get back on in the morning, and confirm! Problem solved with getting ganked in a ****** ship with poor fitting options that no one but the miners want buffed (even just a little, cause having more structure then shield but a resist bonus barely helps = laughstock) since most dudes want to destroy a ship that takes far longer to get into and cost more in time then a cheap destroyer alt (pro-tip: Titan Nerf, Destroyer Buff, Destroyer acting like highsec mini-Titan in packs equates to DESTROY NEEDING NERF JUST AS MUCH AS TITAN DOES!), be pro-active and destroy your the character youself before a ganker gets to you. And ask CCP to get rid of all mineral sources, since miners are not needed or respected. |
QU0RRA
Isomorphic Algorithms
6
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:35:00 -
[58] - Quote
Aqriue wrote:Best way to deal with Hulkaggedon is to buy max number of NPC goods (namely cheapy skill books) until your wallet blinks empty. Then right click -> Destroy all the skill books, as well as checking all your assets to make sure you didn't miss anything. Then log out, log back in, select biomass character, go to sleep, get back on in the morning, and confirm! Problem solved with getting ganked in a ****** ship with poor fitting options that no one but the miners want buffed (even just a little, cause having more structure then shield but a resist bonus barely helps = laughstock) since most dudes want to destroy a ship that takes far longer to get into and cost more in time then a cheap destroyer alt (pro-tip: Titan Nerf, Destroyer Buff, Destroyer acting like highsec mini-Titan in packs equates to DESTROY NEEDING NERF JUST AS MUCH AS TITAN DOES!), be pro-active and destroy your the character youself before a ganker gets to you. And ask CCP to get rid of all mineral sources, since miners are not needed or respected.
Are you ok? I fear for your mental wellbeing. I suggest you see a doctor soon, before it's to late.
Because only someone squirrel nuts could come off with all that keek. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3787
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:56:00 -
[59] - Quote
Insure the Tech 1 Barges and use those instead that way when it gets popped you just get another one and keep mining.
Serious infomration.
Park on the wrong side of the belt the side you dont warp in at max distance, long range lasers the best if you can afford off the ship.
Go tech 1 Replace cargo expanders with armor Replace mids with sebo/jammer combo a successful jam would save you from a second volley and allow the next option Align to warp out target if you must maintain a slower speed and 'sweep belts' less time to spool up. Splash out soon as somone in a combat ship splashes in. Drop the mining drones, get jammer drones instead. Dont jet can mine Dont hauler mine
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
533
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Posted - 2012.04.15 17:06:00 -
[60] - Quote
Anyone who can not think of something else to do during Hulkageddon, I mean anything, besides mining should probably play a different game. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
354
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:21:00 -
[61] - Quote
Aqriue wrote:Best way to deal with Hulkaggedon is to buy max number of NPC goods (namely cheapy skill books) until your wallet blinks empty. Then right click -> Destroy all the skill books, as well as checking all your assets to make sure you didn't miss anything. Then log out, log back in, select biomass character, go to sleep, get back on in the morning, and confirm! Problem solved with getting ganked in a ****** ship with poor fitting options that no one but the miners want buffed (even just a little, cause having more structure then shield but a resist bonus barely helps = laughstock) since most dudes want to destroy a ship that takes far longer to get into and cost more in time then a cheap destroyer alt (pro-tip: Titan Nerf, Destroyer Buff, Destroyer acting like highsec mini-Titan in packs equates to DESTROY NEEDING NERF JUST AS MUCH AS TITAN DOES!), be pro-active and destroy your the character youself before a ganker gets to you. And ask CCP to get rid of all mineral sources, since miners are not needed or respected.
What is this, I don't even...
In irae, veritas. |
Luis Graca
5
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Posted - 2012.04.15 20:13:00 -
[62] - Quote
If miners buy 1 deadspace officer shield boost and fit it they will be able to tank the destroyers suicide gank or smartbombing BS |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
670
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Posted - 2012.04.15 20:17:00 -
[63] - Quote
QU0RRA wrote:Romar Agent wrote: And if you mine during Hulkageddon:
a. mine alligned b. don't mine afk c. watch the overview d. warp out as soon as something seems fishy e. put on some buffer tank
Be prepared that there is no tank that can not be vaporized by dedicated gankers in seconds (or even alpha'd).
All you points are excellent info, but point A shows that you do not either mine in a group nor mine with an Orca. For both you need to be static and passive allignment does not work. Done both and was aligned the whole time. Tractors make it easy. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
297
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Posted - 2012.04.15 20:32:00 -
[64] - Quote
I cannot tell you what you should do, but I can tell you what you shouldn't be doing.
- AF-*******-K: Seriously, stop doing that.
- Fitting a Warp-Core Stabilizer: It won't work. A fleet of destroyers or battlecruisers will no doubt have each one of their ships fitted with a warp scrambler. One scram alone is a bit much for a single WCS to overcome. Imagine at least 3-5 scram ships.
- Active Shield Tanking: The cycle time of a shield booster is too slow to compensate for the massive alpha damage.
- Mining at or near trade hubs and pirate havens: Unless you enjoy the risk, don't be dwelling in these places.
- Docking: Without your tears to harvest, CCP's hamsters will not be thoroughly hydrated.
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
123
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Posted - 2012.04.15 20:36:00 -
[65] - Quote
Hulkageddon hasn't happened yet because they're making more ISK on the suspense. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
297
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Posted - 2012.04.15 20:41:00 -
[66] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:Hulkageddon hasn't happened yet because they're making more ISK on the suspense.
ISK they will later use to fund the burning of Jita. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
670
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Posted - 2012.04.15 21:55:00 -
[67] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:Hulkageddon hasn't happened yet because they're making more ISK on the suspense. I do believe that Helicity has been MIA for a while, hence why we have little about Hulkaggedon other than rumors (and boy there are a ton of those). |
Kairos Antilles
United Systems Nautical Service
14
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Posted - 2012.04.17 16:59:00 -
[68] - Quote
Large Collidable Object wrote:But do people sit there and really 'play mining' in eve?
Yes, and they will continue to do so until the production aspect of the game is eliminated and all goods are purchased from NPC vendors. |
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