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Alichia DeVries
Caldari Azuria Technologies
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:59:00 -
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within a few days i will get my thorax cruiser (dam skill training) but i have looked around on the board but couldn't find the build stuff i needed.
I want a close range build (the closer the better) so no long range sniper stuff. as they said in my corp i need a can opener. the build is mainly PVE but i want to be able to defend myself in PVP (not with running). money aint a problem so feel free to give a uber can opener build.
thanks in advance.
Alichia DeVries. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, Alight from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall the blade that was broken: The crownless again shall be king.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:22:00 -
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You aren't going to like my advice so I'll try to get in first and therefore overwith.
Don't get in a Thorax yet.
Just being able skill-wise to fly a ship doesn't mean it's in your best interest from an isk standpoint and from a learning-the-game standpoint imho. Build up your support skills and learn more about how to best fit your ship by practicing with smaller, cheaper ships first.
And from a self-defense persepctive: forget it. If you barely have been playing long enough to just get into a certain class of ship you are a prime target for pirates because you don't have the skills to fit it properly (and may be overconfident because you are in a "bigger, badder" ship) and certainly don't have the experience to use it well.
When my mates and I pop mission-runners in low-sec with just silly fits (which happens ALL the time) I think to myself: "There's another guy that got sold on moving as fast as he could into bigger and bigger ships without ever being counseled to slow down and learn the game in depth."
So that's my counsel: slow down. Enjoy frigs and destroyers for awhile. They are a lot of fun and there's quite a bit you can do in them and most importantly it gives you the room to learn the game well without recklessly throwing a lot of isk away.
Safe Travels.
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Alichia DeVries
Caldari Azuria Technologies
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Alichia DeVries on 12/12/2007 23:31:16 Advise is welcome. but i am new to this game yeah, but i have a gameing history so i will addept quick. and now i don't intend to to 0.4 and lower for a long time. (read till all skills are maxed out). points is i want this ship to do my missions with for a long time to train the rest of the needed skills. why do i want it? well becuase it just looks great way better than that ugly caracal i am flying right now. and yes i may be crazy but this is my way of playing. (in wow you don't go to STV at lvl 20 to :D)
so in the sarts my outfit wouldn't be the best but who cares all i encounter in missions are firagtes or a verry rare destroyer.
btw low security space aint that bad travvel trough 4 0.4 and 2 0.3 systems with a firgate to get my current cruiser cheaper. (manual flight FTW)
all with all thanks for the advise but i still need a loadout.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken, Alight from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall the blade that was broken: The crownless again shall be king.
Don't mind spelling and grammar I am Dysl |
Kermis
Caldari Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alichia DeVries Edited by: Alichia DeVries on 12/12/2007 23:31:16 Advise is welcome. but i am new to this game yeah, but i have a gameing history so i will addept quick. and now i don't intend to to 0.4 and lower for a long time. (read till all skills are maxed out). points is i want this ship to do my missions with for a long time to train the rest of the needed skills. why do i want it? well becuase it just looks great way better than that ugly caracal i am flying right now. and yes i may be crazy but this is my way of playing. (in wow you don't go to STV at lvl 20 to :D)
so in the sarts my outfit wouldn't be the best but who cares all i encounter in missions are firagtes or a verry rare destroyer.
btw low security space aint that bad travvel trough 4 0.4 and 2 0.3 systems with a firgate to get my current cruiser cheaper. (manual flight FTW)
all with all thanks for the advise but i still need a loadout.
Where can we find you?
Seriously though, slow down. Get a Destroyer first, and stay there for a while. That big cruiser isn't gonna help you do your missions any faster, it'll only make it slower. You won't be hitting your targets nearly as much or as good as you do in a frig, or even your Caracal. Big guns aren't good at hitting small stuff.
However, if you insist, check the ships and modules forum, there's a lot of setups posted. -- Hope is the first step on the road to dissapointment. |
Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:53:00 -
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If you want to do missions with it then you are, quite frankly, better off using long range weapons. The problem with close range weapons and NPCs, even for someone with maxed out skills, let alone someone with likely very minimal skills, is that there are a lot of them, and you can't always tank them all. Getting up close means that you're going to be taking damage from pretty much everything, especially with a "can opener" "build", which would imply minimal defence. Long range has the advantage of being able to pick off your targets and kill some of the, thus reducing the total damage you'll have to take, before they can even get a shot off. It's a very good idea to go for this method in PvE.
PvP on the other hand does work excellently with close range weapons (in your case blasters). Also note that very rarely do PvE and PvP set-ups cross-over in terms of effectiveness. If you try to fit for both you'll die horribly at both, so always fit for a specific task, and attempt at all costs to avoid the other one (though sometimes you can kill belt rats in a PvP setup ship).
Unfortunately, I don't fly Gallente. At all. So beyond this generic advice there's little I can offer you. I'm sure someone will come along and help out though. Also, check out the Ships and Modules forum, which is designed around fitting out ships, or see if there's anything that can help you in the PvE set-ups forum on Scrapheap Challenge.
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Pang Grohl
Gallente Sudo Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:54:00 -
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Ard is correct that you will be at a disadvantage in the Thorax with just Cruiser Lvl 3, especially with a short range fitting, since the NPCs you'll be fighting are likely to be faster than you.
Regardless, here's a relatively painless Thorax fit to blow up. Where you can afford it use named variants of the stuff. If you have the skills for T2 (this includes fitting skills), use T2.
Highs: 5x Heavy Ion Blasters
Mids: 10MN Afterburner Stasis Webifier Capacitor Recharger
Lows: Meduim Armor Rep Damage Control 2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer Capacitor Power Relay Drone Bay: 10x light scout drone *** Si non adjuvas, noces (If you're not helping, you're hurting) Improve Share Transfers |
Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards
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Posted - 2007.12.13 00:05:00 -
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I am happy to hear that you are a fast learner that wants to take the game by the horns.
I've lived in low-sec (not flown through or visited for missions) since day 2 of my account and at 5 months into the game still consider myself something of a rookie. I don't know anything about WOW but based on my previous MMO game experience I would have to say that EVE is one of the deepest games I can imagine with a very steep learning curve.
I flew Level 2s in a Thrasher and still do nearly all the 3s in an AF. I'm sure others have done them in "crummier" ships then that so it's more than doable. In fact if you want to take the game on head-on doing it this way is more of a challenge then overwelming Level 2s in a BC.
If you want to take the game head-on then don't wait to come to low-sec. There is no good reason not to get in a frig or destroyer and start challenging yourself by coming down now.
All that being said and what others have shared: "You can lead a horse to water..."
Safe Travels still...unless we meet and you are in a badly fitted ship you can barely fly.
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Alychia
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Posted - 2007.12.13 00:06:00 -
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thanks all for you advise.
one thing: yes i am crazy why? do not ask.
but oke close range is pure pvp. than ok than i will got for a med range build. would be happy if someone could post one of those to. (search here drioves me crazy i get the same topic again and again) but i will save the short range one for when my skills are a lot higher :D
btw i will skip one gun for a slav forgot to mention that. (that thing brings in to much money to leave it out)
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards
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Posted - 2007.12.13 00:29:00 -
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My advice: don't switch a gun for a salvager. Fit a destroyer as a salvage boat. Do the mission. Bookmark it. Then come back with the dessie salvager. Much faster.
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.12.13 11:49:00 -
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Just as a quick bump, and also to point out that if you need to search the EVE forums, and most helpful tool would be EVE Search. Much better than the half-arsed search tool CCP put on the site (there didn't used to even be one).
Also, I agree that you should have a separate ship for salvaging. The initial cost is greater, but it's soon made up for by finishing the missions quicker with all your guns, and salvaging quicker and more efficiently with a destroyer that has more salvagers (usual fit is 4 salvagers and 4 tractor beams).
As for a fitting.. Like I said before, I don't fly Gallente, but you may want to look at either the 150mm Railguns (they are small guns) or the Dual 150mm or 200mm Railguns (medium guns) depending on what your skills are like. Your ship gets bonuses to the medium guns, but that's useless if they never land a hit due to poor tracking. If you find you can't hit any enemies with the larger guns, just drop down to the smaller ones for a while and you should be ok Otherwise you might want an afterburner (10mn) and some cap rechargers in the med slots, and an armour tank of some kind in the low slots. This will involve at least one armour repairer and then some resistance hardeners of some kind, preferably active ones, chosen for the kind of NPC you will fight in your mission. (This is for PvE of course)
Hopefully that helps a bit.
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MOZO
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