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Omarvelous
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Posted - 2007.12.13 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Omarvelous on 13/12/2007 15:18:54
I want to hear some feedback on setting up a blaster Moa for small gang pvp - I want it to live up to its description as a 'heavy tackler'.
I haven't flown one in ages (used it as a railboat with dismal results). I'm looking for versatility in attacking targets (ie if neutrons can't track frigates I'll go for ions), speed (yes speed on a caldari boat). I also want rig recommendations for this ship.
Without remembering it's CPU/powergrid - here's a fit I can think of - off the top of my head - I would love for input on tweaking it.
Highs:
4 ions
2 HAML
Mids:
10 MN MWD II (tech 2 if grid possible), web, med or large shield boost, and medium cap booster
No scram because gang mates' are taking care of that - otherwise I can swap the web for a scram.
Lows:
2 Mag Stab II's, DCU II, fitting mod (I'm sure I'd need one, if not perhaps a nano would be nice here)
Rigs:
Again if power grid permits - a ROF and damage hybrid rig (no damage bonus on Moa means I gotta juice up the damage for this ship as much as possible). Maybe an EM resist rig for the 3rd rig slot. I know its crazy but a polycarbon would be cool to fit to a Moa with decent nav skills. Otherwise if the grid can't handle damage mods - I'd go for 3 resist rigs (EM, KIN, THERM).
What do you guys think? Constructive criticism from Moa pilots is preferred. Cross training for Gallnete Thorax/Minnie Rupture/Amarr..whatever is out of the question - I prefer to max out my skills for Caldari hybrids and missile boats.
I fly Harpies - and have had great fun with them - its nicknamed 'the little moa' so I wanted to see what its bigger brother can do. If I like what I see - I could use it for the Eagle that I'd like to fly in the future.
Thanks for your time!
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Omarvelous
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Posted - 2007.12.13 16:42:00 -
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No love for this Boa Constrictor as I would call it?
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Posted - 2007.12.13 17:53:00 -
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I don't really see a compelling reason to use this as a close range fit when the stabber and thorax exist, have lower mass, are more agile and have better ship bonuses for close range work, especially in the case of the "new" thorax bonus.
Can you actually fit the weapons, mwd, cap booster and such? It may be worth experimenting if you don't have to downgrade to electrons to make it fit and avoid the fitting mod. I'd probably put extender rigs or leave it unrigged as the cost starts climbing I start wondering if its worth taking it over the flycatcher or some raptors.
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Diabilo
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Posted - 2007.12.13 18:33:00 -
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I've used one for pirating with some success before. The key as always is to play to the ships strengths, which are shields and suprise. Noone expects you to be pvping in a moa and even less think you are using blasters! This means they come in close believing you won't be able to hit them... only to be webben and blasted! :) This got me a few stabber kills...
I can't remember the exact setup... for my eagle I used 4x netrons, NOS, Large SB, Boost Amp, Invul field, Web, Scram, 2 mag stabs and I think 2 pdus.
Don't know if that fits on a moa but you get the idea. I figured the gain of having an AM/MWD is not worth the loss of tank and alot of fitting space in the MWDs case. Especially becasue most people, in the moa anyway, will come to you thinking your an easy target.
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Myth Al'kar
Blueprint Haus
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.13 18:40:00 -
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The second time you fight them they may very well just kite you though. 
Plus the op says he wants to tackle in it for small gangs.
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Omarvelous
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Posted - 2007.12.13 18:45:00 -
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I agree - I'd like to avoid electrons, because I feel at that point I'd probably be doing less damage than my Harpy, not to mention the range is bad. I Like neutrons for their range mroe so than damage, but I think ions might be able to track a frigate sized ship better.
Like I said, I dont want to cross train to another race's close range cruiser, because as a Caldari hybrid/missile dude - I'd have a lot of training to do - the time in which I could fly bigger Caldari ships better.
I agree with the surprise factor - but dude, I don't like to fly a blaster ship without the means to get into range with it. I would be completely counting on my opponent to underestimate me (plus they might wonder whats going on when I haven't fired a single shot at them as they get close). Also I want to be able to close the gap on long range weapon system targets.
I'd gladly trade the 2nd high utility/missile slot for a 5th mid on this ship to have some tackle and tank.
The other option I thought of was - slapping on 6 named smart bombs and dive into an enemy. Might be fun vs drone boats or podding people! 
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Vladimir Norkoff
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Posted - 2007.12.13 19:07:00 -
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I've had some marginal success with an AC/HAM Passive Moa... Yes, you read that right, ACs.. The Moa has no damage bonus so it doesn't really matter what you use. ACs are handy for the flexible damage types and decent tracking.
4x 220 ACs (can also do 425/220 split)
2x HAM
2x Lg Extender
1x MWD
1x Scram/Web
2x PDU
2x SPR
No it's not a pwn set-up. It is a freaking Moa after all. But it is fun and surprises people.
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KD.Fluffy
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.13 19:11:00 -
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I don't really see a compelling reason to use this as a close range fit when the stabber and thorax exist, have lower mass, are more agile and have better ship bonuses for close range work, especially in the case of the "new" thorax bonus.
someone fill me in, what was changed about the thorax?
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Posted - 2007.12.13 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy
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I don't really see a compelling reason to use this as a close range fit when the stabber and thorax exist, have lower mass, are more agile and have better ship bonuses for close range work, especially in the case of the "new" thorax bonus.
someone fill me in, what was changed about the thorax?
The Cap Need MWD bonus effect on the Daredevil, Thorax, Deimos, Vigilant and Vindicator has changed, the effect now adds to the modifier instead of percentage modifying it.
I believe their base cap was enlarged a bit as well although Im having a hard time finding it in patch notes.
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Pinky Denmark
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Posted - 2007.12.13 19:38:00 -
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when you want Mwd and web on your Moa I'd fill the last 2 slots with LSE II or medium cap booster + Large SB.
With a mixed hi-slot layout I'd avoid damage mods, but it might be fine to use a few. Fill rest with pds and spr if you are passive tanking.
for those gang supports the caracal often does it better though. 5 x Ham will have fine dps - very nice range. you'll be faster and have 1 more medslot available. Less defence BUT it's also cheaper anyway...
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Omarvelous
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Posted - 2007.12.13 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
No it's not a pwn set-up. It is a freaking Moa after all. But it is fun and surprises people.
Indeed - I am looking for a fun - WTF?! moment from opponents.
BTW - Have you abandoned your damp-recons?
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