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Koodo Marilias
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:10:00 -
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So I'm new and from what i've seen the only pvp that takes place is a group of people getting together to just go roam around and ambush some poor sap. No competition and no benefit from doing it besides the fact of just getting a kill. Besides 0.0 pvping to gain territory and protect there own, what purpose would anyone like me have to do it. I know I know its a "sandbox game" you can do what you want, but that's like saying to a high school basketball team "sure you can play ball, but only against NBA players, HAVE FUN:)". For a new player like me i would have no chance pvping without getting completely crushed so is there really any reason for me to attempt to pvp till i get like a years worth of SP and ISK, and don't say to get experience pvping because i don't think i need practice getting blown up( I'm guessing that's the easy part). I know pvp and all that goodness is what makes eve what it is. So really what I'm asking is grinding out missions or grinding rocks my only option for the next YEAR. Because that really sounds boring.
P.S Take it easy I'm new and just asking |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
99
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:17:00 -
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I would say that yes, you will lose ships to begin with but if you fly cheap stuff you can learn lessons that will make you more effective as you get into more expensive ships. By that time you should be earning enough to not worry about losing a cruiser or BC. Everybody loses ships, even experienced pilots, but those who don't sit around waiting for their sp or isk to mount up will gain more from making mistakes and will learn more lessons than those who wait for a long time.
Give Red vs Blue a try for a couple of weeks, see what you think. Get some cheap frigates kitted out and stick to a budget, if you need help then perhaps some of the older pilots in those corps might help you out. It's all just experience, sp aren't as effective as that. in other MMO's stupid people are annoying. In EVE they are a valuable resource /facebrick for those times when /facepalm just isn't enough
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Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:26:00 -
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i THOUGHT this thread was going to be about there not being a reason to PVP in EvE any more.
so far there's only 2 reasons
for the KMs
or
because your defending your space I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh.
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Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:27:00 -
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Koodo Marilias wrote:For a new player like me i would have no chance pvping without getting completely crushed
Back when I was a noob and thought mining was good money, I too thought like this.
Then one day I got tired of people harassing me all the time and decided to fight back. And I discovered that all that BS people had been telling me about raw SP totals not mattering much so long as you focused your skill training was actually true.
Shooting people was fun. After I'd shot enough people I ended up in corps where your killboard standings and your e-peen are one and the same, which made up for the times when shooting people wasn't quite as much fun anymore, and after I'd gotten a few dozen of my own ships blown I totally stopped caring about my ships as anything other than a disposable vehicle to play EvE in.
I took a couple of long breaks from EvE. I have half as much SP as an equivalent character of the same age but I do just fine because rather than being able to fly all ships poorly I can fly a couple of races very well, and it just doesn't matter anymore, if it ever did.
Now I pvp to pvp. It's kind of a zen thing. I have good corpmates to fly with, we have plenty of people to shoot at, we have our little corner of Stain to carebear in (or not, depending on who's decided to come visit us), and sure there may not be any real point when all is said and done but tbh I don't see how that's any different from any other MMO out there, save in EvE I'm not a slave to an NPC (or the devs telling me what content I should and should not be running and with whom, which is even worse). My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
Umega
Solis Mensa
99
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:31:00 -
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Combat vets purposely will roll new toons, which obviously have low SP.. to get more fights without a reputation behind them. And they will succeed and get kills because of their knowledge on game mechanics, ship fits/abilities, and their obvious experince/skill at fighting.
You can, and should.. read up on game mechanics and atleast somewhat understand how tracking, sig rez, sig radius, transversal/angular velocity, MWD bloom, falloff, optimal and such work. And then go get your ass killed, a lot.
Cheap frigs can kill expensive battleships.
The game really can be what you make of it.. it is upto you though. Don't let other people's jaded view points hold you back.. how can you simply know and understand.. until you actually try things for yourself?
Take what you keep.. defend what you own. Be a pimp, and don't be someone's *****. It is easier to be a lil *****, all you have to do is lay down and spread'em, then whine a lot.. take the harder route, be a pimp and own. |
Koodo Marilias
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:33:00 -
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So pretty much it's ALL about the corp your in huh. So dumb question then but how am i supposed to find a good one besides believing what they tell me cuz let's face it, truth has no place on the internet. I don't want to have to bounce through 50 corps to find a good one because that will probably look bad. Also I've noticed that even though the corp says it has like 100 members, there's only like 5 guys that actually play anymore. |
Koodo Marilias
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:36:00 -
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But besides getting a solid KM is there benefits to pvping or really only in 0.0 |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:38:00 -
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Koodo Marilias wrote:So pretty much it's ALL about the corp your in huh. So dumb question then but how am i supposed to find a good one besides believing what they tell me cuz let's face it, truth has no place on the internet. I don't want to have to bounce through 50 corps to find a good one because that will probably look bad. Also I've noticed that even though the corp says it has like 100 members, there's only like 5 guys that actually play anymore.
Do your due diligence. Ask alot of questions, infer and extrapolate, and use various 3rd party resources to help you figure out if what they say is true or incorrect. Think outside the box. Just because this is all virtual doesn't mean you should accept the preconceived notion that you're powerless.
PS- I used to recruit and was also able to deduce if an applicant was lying to me as well. So it goes both ways. Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Koodo Marilias
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:44:00 -
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Hey thanks for all the tips guys, guess everyone in eve isn't a complete douche better get in there and get this happening |
Umega
Solis Mensa
99
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:45:00 -
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Koodo Marilias wrote:But besides getting a solid KM is there benefits to pvping or really only in 0.0
Depends why you fought in the first place. Could be revenege, could be for justice and to help others, could be to save friends, could be to get tears, could be defense of ship/ideals/space, could be they have something really expensive n shiny you want to hack off their ship for yourself.
Or could simply result in being an adrenline junky. When there is actual lose.. effort into your ship's existence and the thought that the ship could very well go bye bye forever.. no waking up in a station with your ship all safe n clean. Such creates extra adrenline, atleast for me.. than other MMOs with PvP elements. Makes the eyes widen, and heart race a bit more (I suggest learning to control it over time to avoid making mistakes from unclear thought).
As far as finding a good one.. check adverts of corps and see what they offer, what they do. Take it a step further and look them up on Battleclinic and/or griefwatch and see how many kills/loses per week, and how many members are active, and what kind of style fighting they seem to prefer to associate with. And then, insert what you think you are looking for.. and give the one you like a shout.
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ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
569
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:51:00 -
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Well for me i PvP for fun. Thats why I join RvB occasionally Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
Alara IonStorm
1530
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:57:00 -
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You don't have to wait a year to get PvP capable. If you are worried about being crushed by higher skill players you have to learn to rely on your gang, instead of worrying about being as good as some fictional opponent think what can I do for my Gang to help them win. I hated the whole idea of PvP in EVE when I started and have a whole page of terribly fit solo loss mails to show for it. I then started researching fits, tactics and directed my training to suit them and suddenly things got a lot better for me.
Waiting a year is not something you need to do to get a gang capable ship that will be a genuine help. Tackle Rifters / Merlins are an easy train and for a real combat ship the Drake and Cane are the general direction you want to go. They are the common soldiers of EVE, the Ships of the People. Basically what you want is a T2 Weapon System, 5 T2 Drones and a T2 Tank with Support Skills at 4. This does not take to long to achieve and a meta 2-3 Gun fit Battlecruiser with LvL 4 Ship, Weapon, Tank and Support Skills is quite acceptable in most gangs.
The important thing is finding folks to fly with.
[Hurricane, My First Cane] Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive Warp Disruptor II
425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1
Here was my first real PvP Ship. I got T2 Auto's soon after, researched the fit and I saw good success with it. Flying a relatively skilled Battlecruiser like a Drake or a Cane is a liberating thing. They're is a reason most people don't role around in T1 Cruisers, Battlecruisers are everywhere and once you have a well skilled, properly fitted easily replaceable Battlecruiser flying in a coordinated Gang you won't feel like a newbie anymore.
The reason I fly PvP is it is just fun and excitement. It is something to do. You grind up so a ship like this doesn't hurt your wallet then you go for it.
I have done RvB and it is the most Fun I ever have had in EVE. It is an amazing Corp with a very low cost entry to PvP but I would suggest a few hundred mil and pre setting up your ships at the headquarters of the Corp you choose. Mostly Cruisers and Frigates I would pick a race and start focusing. I recommend it if you have the ISK.
Just remember the 3 most Important things to do before PvP'ing.
1. Find Gang Mates. 2. Research, Research, Research Everything from fits to tactics. 3. Consider your Ship gone before you fly it. I don't mean you will loose it but if life without that ship deadends your game you are not ready to fly it. Once you can take it out and its lose won't effect your PvP / PvE future you are ready to fly it.
So if you want to PvP start earning a nest egg and start researching fits. Starter PvP is a Mountain in this game and you are at the Base. Staring at it won't help so start now even if it is only preparing yourself for the climb. |
Plutonian
Intransigent
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:58:00 -
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I'm a solo lowsec 2006 character who enjoys T1 frigates.
I get killed all the time by younger pilots. |
Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:58:00 -
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killmails |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2012.02.05 05:10:00 -
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Because this game has the absolute worst PvE, be it shooting rocks or red crosses |
Ioci
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.02.05 05:24:00 -
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When you say "I'm new" I really don't know what you mean but if by new you mean 6 months? There really is a point where it is moot how many skill points you have or I have.
A 6 month char can in fact cap Assault frigate skills for any given race. You would be as good as I am in that frigate and while I might beat you on experience, the raw power of the skill points and the ship in a 1 vs 1 we would end in a draw alot of times.
Also, most battles as you said are fleet battles. Ships in EVE are all niche and have holes in thier function. There is no ship that can handle any situation. There are fleets that can do that but they are huge, in the thousands and hard to manage in EVE. I think like you after 7 years. I PvP with purpose or I don't PvP. I refuse to grief, I won't abide by the not blue shoot it and I will never PvP for the sole purpose of "tears". It is not in my nature to be hatefull like that, I don't find it entertaining. So I find situations that allow me to pvP within my guide. I find people who think the same way and I fleet to defend them. I have never lost a ship or got a killmail defending myself. It has 100% defending others. Thats my niche. Find yours.
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Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
126
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Posted - 2012.02.05 05:57:00 -
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Because.
Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
307
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Posted - 2012.02.05 06:08:00 -
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Making things explode is fun. |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies THE UNTHINKABLES
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Posted - 2012.02.05 06:34:00 -
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fair fights happen but only out of chance typicaly. |
Tore Vest
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Posted - 2012.02.05 06:45:00 -
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Why do PVP when you can be a carebear.... and live in peace and harmony ? Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
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Alara IonStorm
1532
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Posted - 2012.02.05 06:47:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Why do PVP when you can be a carebear.... and live in peace and harmony ? Peace is much easier to attain when everyone around you is in pieces.
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Tore Vest
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Posted - 2012.02.05 06:52:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Tore Vest wrote:Why do PVP when you can be a carebear.... and live in peace and harmony ? Peace is much easier to attain when everyone around you is in pieces. Yeah... Sansha in pieces makes me peacefull.... And harmony comes when my wallet starts to blink Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
Alaric Faelen
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.02.05 07:09:00 -
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It doesn't matter if you are in an all T1 fit frigate, if you can get into a fleet of half decent pilots, then do it. Do it sooner than later.
There is SOOOO much more to combat in Eve than just shooting at other people. It's a mind bogglingly complicated set of rules, timers, methods, attacks, counters, on and on. Even if you never find a target or if you are two-shot killed in your first engagement- you will have gained a mountain of new information by the time you're done.
In fact, actual pew pew combat really is sorta hard to get to SP and isk-wise. In anything but a well fit ship you just won't last long enough to really learn much under fire. Even shiny fit ships don't survive long when primaried or just outflown by your enemy.
But there's just so much more to it than the wild a$$ furballs out in space- that just getting into fleets and whoring KMs by doing .02% of the damage will still teach you volumes more than any post or guide. Get voice comms, ask questions- Eve vets freaking LOVE to blather on and on- trust me.
Yes, it does make a huge difference having the ability to T2 fit a ship, or use T2 ships themselves. But that is just one very small facet to a much larger world of PvP that simple experience is the best teacher for.
Plus, it's fun. That's all it needs to be. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.05 07:35:00 -
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Okay... I'll try to articulate this as best I can (bear with me, I'm fairly inebriated)...
Koodo Marilias wrote:So I'm new and from what i've seen the only pvp that takes place is a group of people getting together to just go roam around and ambush some poor sap. No competition and no benefit from doing it besides the fact of just getting a kill.
To each his own.
But the big part in roams is that you are never 100% sure what you might deal with. You can fit your gang of ships to be as well rounded/specialized/off-beat as you can... but there is always that chance that you will run into another gang (be it veteran or newbie) or the [rare] solo player that is specifically prepared to deal with your group. The "competition factor" comes from not being prepared for all scenarios you might run into and how you best deal with said situation.
Koodo Marilias wrote:what purpose would anyone like me have to do it. I know I know its a "sandbox game" you can do what you want, but that's like saying to a high school basketball team "sure you can play ball, but only against NBA players, HAVE FUN:)".
By being thrown into the "hardcore" early on you know [more or less] what to expect and can start learning sooner. Yeah... you won't "win" early on... but you will see what tactics other player use and have more time to devise counter-tactics to get around the other players' tactics... even with a "limited" skill-set.
Koodo Marilias wrote:For a new player like me i would have no chance pvping without getting completely crushed so is there really any reason for me to attempt to pvp till i get like a years worth of SP and ISK, and don't say to get experience pvping because i don't think i need practice getting blown up( I'm guessing that's the easy part).
Getting "blown up" is a fact of life for any PvP player. In fact... anytime you undock you should prepared for the off-chance that you will be shot at... for any reason. If you are "blown up" it means that the other player used superior tactics, ships, had superior skills, etc. and you need to find a way around that.
Koodo Marilias wrote: I know pvp and all that goodness is what makes eve what it is. So really what I'm asking is grinding out missions or grinding rocks my only option for the next YEAR. Because that really sounds boring.
Pro-tip: You don't need "the best" skills to compete. Outside of "core skills" (which take about a month to train) you can be PvP ready by merely getting most of your skills in a specific area to level 4. Getting skills to level 5 only adds an extra 5% here... 2% there... and that is nothing that a few well placed mods and/or tactics can't get around. Just remember... only a certain amount of skills apply to any one ship or mod at any one time... and players can only fly one ship at a time. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:17:00 -
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Koodo Marilias wrote:So I'm new and from what i've seen the only pvp that takes place is a group of people getting together to just go roam around and ambush some poor sap. No competition and no benefit from doing it besides the fact of just getting a kill. Besides 0.0 pvping to gain territory and protect there own, what purpose would anyone like me have to do it. I know I know its a "sandbox game" you can do what you want, but that's like saying to a high school basketball team "sure you can play ball, but only against NBA players, HAVE FUN:)". For a new player like me i would have no chance pvping without getting completely crushed so is there really any reason for me to attempt to pvp till i get like a years worth of SP and ISK, and don't say to get experience pvping because i don't think i need practice getting blown up( I'm guessing that's the easy part). I know pvp and all that goodness is what makes eve what it is. So really what I'm asking is grinding out missions or grinding rocks my only option for the next YEAR. Because that really sounds boring. P.S Take it easy I'm new and just asking
To try to determine who has the better combination of pilot skills, player skills, ship fit, tactics, and strategy.
Also for the lulz.
Also because without pvp the market would collapse and production alts around the cosmos would go idle and CCP would lose subs and shut down the game.
You don't want CCP to have to shut down, do you? Do you?!?
Very good then! PVP!
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Plutonian
Intransigent
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Posted - 2012.02.05 09:15:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Okay... I'll try to articulate this as best I can (bear with me, I'm fairly inebriated)... Your avatar, indeed, looks a bit inebriated.
Quote:Pro-tip: You don't need "the best" skills to compete. Outside of "core skills" (which take about a month to train) you can be PvP ready by merely getting most of your skills in a specific area to level 4. Getting skills to level 5 only adds an extra 5% here... 2% there... and that is nothing that a few well placed mods and/or tactics can't get around. Just remember... only a certain amount of skills apply to any one ship or mod at any one time... and players can only fly one ship at a time. This ^
1.) There are a great number of bad fits out there. A T1 frig with meta 4 hardware, backed by lvl 4 skills, can kill them easily.
2.) I consider T1 frigs the 'Great Equalizer'. There is no margin for error. The ammo you load in your guns (before the fight) can determine the winner.
Take a perfectly new player... someone who's never played Eve in his life... and give him 60 trillion isk. Give him all level 5 skills. Give him faction-fit pirate battleships and every insanely-priced implant in the game. Now... put that player in lowsec and watch the train wreck commence. He will lose every damn thing he owns.
Take a veteran player who has PvP'ed for a year. Biomass his character, give him a brand new one with no skills trained. He will be killing people within the week.
Don't ever let low skill points stop you from experiencing what this game does best. |
Sicex
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:15:00 -
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@OP
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH. The fact that you can even ASK this question today shows how broken EVE has become.
New Eden should never present you the 'choice' of PVPing beyond the undock button. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1448
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:40:00 -
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Some people choose to PVP because it is the pivotal element of the game. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Tub Chil
Heretic University Heretic Nation
15
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:40:00 -
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Your question sounds like: "hey I just finished downloading BF3 from origin, I don't get it, why do I need to shoot all those people?" |
Roxwar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:48:00 -
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Maybe PVP because its fun?
Nothing in this game - admittedly my time is limited - has got my blood pumping, heart pounding and given me a rush like PVP has. Even though 9 times out of 10 i die, sometimes get podded too for good measure, i cant imagine getting the same experience from doing anything else within EVE.
Skill points are important, but real skills - as in piloting, not Skillpoints - count for more i think.
Many people have told me of idiot PVP'ers who fly expensive ships badly and get spanked by cheap and easily replacable ships by people that actually have skills when PVP'ing.
But a load of rifters ( or your racial frig type ) and fit them out cheaply and go into low sec and learn how to use your D-scan to find other frigs and dont be afraid of dying, because it will happen A LOT at first. http://roxwar.blogspot.com/ |
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