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K1RTH G3RS3N
New Eden Trading and Resources
7
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Posted - 2012.02.05 05:58:00 -
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These mindless drones grind isk on auto pilot endlessly and must be stopped! They are too safe in their empire bubble, CCP protects them as they are subscribers, how-ever:
And I quote from the Eula section 7. a)
"You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."
If CCP won't deal with them I have taken it to myself to rid space of this scum, one pimped out battleship at a time.
We have devised a system which enables us to SOMETIMES be able to take out these easily frightened botters. With this new strategy we have been able to destroy a few macro corps so far, with the last group targeted benefiting us with a nice 1.4bil bonus and 7bil damage done to their greedy pockets.
But why tell us here you ask? The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners. So I seek the services of other individuals who like to know that these nobodies are being dealt with and who would like to MAKE SOME ISK on the side:
I will give a 10% cut to individuals who seek out and direct me to macro mission running groups that yield high value loot. So for example, if you were to discover for us our last hit you would of made off with an easy 140,000,000isk for simply directing me to the target.
More illegal botters get killed, we all make isk, everyone is happy. It could work out to be lucrative business for dedicated scouts.
So you know I am not fake, here is some examples of these macro'ers: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14999021 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15119907 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15169851
And if one day we cannot find any more targets, then we know the job is done! |
Humidor Cigarillo
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 06:09:00 -
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This is good for my business and as such, I approve. Keep up the good work! |
K1RTH G3RS3N
New Eden Trading and Resources
7
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Posted - 2012.02.05 06:23:00 -
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Thankyou. Did you know these bots make make on average 400-500mil per day.... per account! |
Oryx Lux
The Drones Club
1
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Posted - 2012.02.05 06:27:00 -
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I, for one, welcome our new macro-killing overlords. |
CausticS0da
Viziam Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:00:00 -
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Oryx Lux wrote:I, for one, welcome our new macro-killing overlords.
Then why haven't you 'liked' his post? |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:51:00 -
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K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners.
Out of sheer curiosity, how can you tell bot from genuine player?
And how do you kill them without being Concorded (assuming you avoided this fate, as loosing Legion pro publico bono seems too charitable to be true)? |
K1RTH G3RS3N
New Eden Trading and Resources
8
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:22:00 -
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hmskrecik wrote:K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners. Out of sheer curiosity, how can you tell bot from genuine player? And how do you kill them without being Concorded (assuming you avoided this fate, as loosing Legion pro publico bono seems too charitable to be true)?
it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else. definitely not going to get my 1.5bil legion concordonked lol :P
as far as telling who is a bot, that is really hard, i have spent hours watching the mission hubs. there are a few key things i have discovered though. 1. ship type, mostly they will be in CN ravens, golems, macherials or tengu's. my guess is this is because of range, cap and shield boosting (can get crystals for huge tanks). 2. hours they spend online, sometimes i see them online no matter what time i log in to check, no human can mission run for <23hrs straight. 3. consistent pattern, they dock for exactly the same length of time at the same station every time, no pauses or breaks in their pattern. 4. ship names, corp names, player names etc. pay close attention to these details. for example, the corp the macherial pilot was in had about 5 members each member except the ceo all running in macherials with nearly the exact same fit for hours on end and each ship was REnamed to the first word in the players name + macherial i.e. 'angus macherial' this was a clue that they are all the same player separate accounts. 5. this is an odd one and i havnt yet figured out exactly what is going on here but... they sometimes will have shield maintenance bots out, and then sometimes said bot will be abandoned (i think). our best guess is if drones take damage then the program can release a maintenance bot to keep it alive, since you need that set of drones for up to 23 hours. 6. invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot. 7. some players are just called akjshas in akjshas corporation with corp description of 'enter a description of your corporation here' (as in, random mash names with no effort put into corp). unfortunately these one man corps are a waste of time so far, probably bots but maybe just farmers, and they scare too easily.
macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway. |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.02.05 14:01:00 -
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Okay, if you don't want to reveal the trick I won't push. But I have to admit you've really tickled my curiosity now. ;)
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Exploited Engineer
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.02.05 14:44:00 -
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K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else.
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.
Bots that are complex enough to be vulnerable to psychological warfare? Now that sound intriguing. |
K1RTH G3RS3N
New Eden Trading and Resources
11
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Posted - 2012.02.05 15:21:00 -
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Exploited Engineer wrote:K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else. K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway. Bots that are complex enough to be vulnerable to psychological warfare? Now that sound intriguing.
sounds like you're on to it.... hint, a player has to check on their bot occasionally. how-ever, this is not a game of 21 questions, i am looking for someone who wants to help atleast increase the risk of botting (since it can't be removed from the game).
now who here pays for their game with isk via buying plex? noticed how the price of plex has gone up alot? is it fair that you have to work so hard to get your plex when these macro'ers can get it without doing anything? |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2788
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Posted - 2012.02.06 12:54:00 -
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You should've named your thread 'The Forum Scourge that is CROSS-POSTING'
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
819
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Posted - 2012.02.06 17:44:00 -
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I fully endorse any activities that result in the reduction of isk faucets. |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
31
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:16:00 -
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K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:hmskrecik wrote:K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners. Out of sheer curiosity, how can you tell bot from genuine player? And how do you kill them without being Concorded (assuming you avoided this fate, as loosing Legion pro publico bono seems too charitable to be true)? it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else. definitely not going to get my 1.5bil legion concordonked lol :P as far as telling who is a bot, that is really hard, i have spent hours watching the mission hubs. there are a few key things i have discovered though. 1. ship type, mostly they will be in CN ravens, golems, macherials or tengu's. my guess is this is because of range, cap and shield boosting (can get crystals for huge tanks). 2. hours they spend online, sometimes i see them online no matter what time i log in to check, no human can mission run for <23hrs straight. 3. consistent pattern, they dock for exactly the same length of time at the same station every time, no pauses or breaks in their pattern. 4. ship names, corp names, player names etc. pay close attention to these details. for example, the corp the macherial pilot was in had about 5 members each member except the ceo all running in macherials with nearly the exact same fit for hours on end and each ship was REnamed to the first word in the players name + macherial i.e. 'angus macherial' this was a clue that they are all the same player separate accounts. 5. this is an odd one and i havnt yet figured out exactly what is going on here but... they sometimes will have shield maintenance bots out, and then sometimes said bot will be abandoned (i think). our best guess is if drones take damage then the program can release a maintenance bot to keep it alive, since you need that set of drones for up to 23 hours. 6. invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot. 7. some players are just called akjshas in akjshas corporation with corp description of 'enter a description of your corporation here' (as in, random mash names with no effort put into corp). unfortunately these one man corps are a waste of time so far, probably bots but maybe just farmers, and they scare too easily. macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.
1,2,3,5 (partly, I forget sometimes my drones simply), 6 would fit to myself sometimes. And last I have checked I was no bot ... nor anyone in my corp.
Mach, Tengu, etc should be normal for mission runners, they all have to money for shinny ships, and all have the need to make more isk so they need shinny ships. Optimal fittings for those ships are similar, so they should fit all similar and last but not least can a 23 hour run from time to time be very healthy and confirm that you are still alive ... even when you feel after this kind grind not alive anymore :D
Still, more power to you, any dead bot is healthy. While you are at it, please gank a few hulks as well. Will you?
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Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:44:00 -
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K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:hmskrecik wrote:K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners. Out of sheer curiosity, how can you tell bot from genuine player? And how do you kill them without being Concorded (assuming you avoided this fate, as loosing Legion pro publico bono seems too charitable to be true)? it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else. definitely not going to get my 1.5bil legion concordonked lol :P as far as telling who is a bot, that is really hard, i have spent hours watching the mission hubs. there are a few key things i have discovered though. 1. ship type, mostly they will be in CN ravens, golems, macherials or tengu's. my guess is this is because of range, cap and shield boosting (can get crystals for huge tanks). 3. consistent pattern, they dock for exactly the same length of time at the same station every time, no pauses or breaks in their pattern. 6. invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot. macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.
you are ... yeah you are total idiot
1 any normail brain functional team of pleyers will use same ship same fit to run missions wonder if you can understend why.
3 is called dual boxing (google it) you may lern something while you fail at EvE
6 try to mail or inv me to convo LOL yeah am confirmed bot, btw this is bot i made to post on forums.
If you took time to serach (like you say you did) you will realyze there is no mission bots, only for minning NPC rating in belts and market trading.
I tried to save you from been dumb but in my opinion you are far far past that status. Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: GÇ£Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.GÇ¥ |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
957
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:46:00 -
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Please do not create multiple threads about the same topic, thank you.
Thread locked.
You can continue discussions in this thread. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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K1RTH G3RS3N
New Eden Trading and Resources
18
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:28:00 -
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Tian Nu wrote:
you are ... yeah you are total idiot
1 any normail brain functional team of pleyers will use same ship same fit to run missions wonder if you can understend why.
3 is called dual boxing (google it) you may lern something while you fail at EvE
6 try to mail or inv me to convo LOL yeah am confirmed bot, btw this is bot i made to post on forums.
If you took time to serach (like you say you did) you will realyze there is no mission bots, only for minning NPC rating in belts and market trading.
I tried to save you from been dumb but in my opinion you are far far past that status.
lol thankyou so much for atleast trying to 'save me from being dumb'.
I know of two bots, one called Questor (this one even complex enough to hide itself from detection aka the ban-hammer) and another called Isk Grinder. They can both do missions. Since you are so versed in the art of google you would know this... which leaves only one other reason for your rage; You have a bot farm and this is your best attempt to discredit me. Well, if I do come across your bot farm I will be sure to do my best to kill your ships, ransom your corp and have you banned. Enjoy the game. |
K1RTH G3RS3N
New Eden Trading and Resources
18
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:36:00 -
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Tenris Anis wrote:
1,2,3,5 (partly, I forget sometimes my drones simply), 6 would fit to myself sometimes. And last I have checked I was no bot ... nor anyone in my corp.
Mach, Tengu, etc should be normal for mission runners, they all have to money for shinny ships, and all have the need to make more isk so they need shinny ships. Optimal fittings for those ships are similar, so they should fit all similar and last but not least can a 23 hour run from time to time be very healthy and confirm that you are still alive ... even when you feel after this kind grind not alive anymore :D
Still, more power to you, any dead bot is healthy. While you are at it, please gank a few hulks as well. Will you?
There is no definitive way to tell a bot I admit, these are simply some of the clues or guidelines I follow. If I say bots often use tengu's that does not mean I am saying ONLY bots use tengu's and not players, which seems to be what some have gathered from that post. Thankyou and if I find a way to kill hulks without losing sec status I will, though I think I'll just leave that to the hulkageddon crew. |
Scion Lex
Obsidian Incorporated
1
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Posted - 2012.02.07 07:09:00 -
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In the off chance that you make a mistake what recourse does the victim have? I assume it would be something along the lines of 'sucks to be you'. Yet, I would like to hear your thoughts on the possibility. If this has already been covered and I missed then im sorry for wasting your time. |
Bent Barrel
22
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Posted - 2012.02.07 07:40:00 -
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Scion Lex wrote:In the off chance that you make a mistake what recourse does the victim have? I assume it would be something along the lines of 'sucks to be you'. Yet, I would like to hear your thoughts on the possibility. If this has already been covered and I missed then im sorry for wasting your time.
this would interest me too ... |
K1RTH G3RS3N
New Eden Trading and Resources
22
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Posted - 2012.02.07 10:10:00 -
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Scion Lex wrote:In the off chance that you make a mistake what recourse does the victim have? I assume it would be something along the lines of 'sucks to be you'. Yet, I would like to hear your thoughts on the possibility. If this has already been covered and I missed then im sorry for wasting your time.
pretty much but it wouldn't hurt to say something if that happens. |
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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
5
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Posted - 2012.02.08 01:26:00 -
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I take it a properly set up bot but won't agress you when you loot their wrecks and they'll jump corps if you dec them. Anything you aren't telling us? |
K1RTH G3RS3N
New Eden Trading and Resources
24
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Posted - 2012.02.08 02:25:00 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:I take it a properly set up bot but won't agress you when you loot their wrecks and they'll jump corps if you dec them. Anything you aren't telling us?
lots. it's not foolproof anyway, and it's mostly depends on luck. so 90% of the time we miss out. it's quite frustrating too because it takes days of waiting to find out if you're going to pull it off. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
486
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Posted - 2012.02.08 02:41:00 -
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1. Find 'bot'; 2. Identify which NPC ship bot is targeting; 3. Throw self between bot and target and take a round to the knee; 4. Do whatever it is that gankers do once they got aggro.
/me crawls back under rock. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.02.08 05:15:00 -
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Mission bots are quite common in my line of work.
usually just bump them them out of align and let the rats pop them. pretty much confirms bot status, because if you do it to anyone, they will ***** in local at you or PM you with a please stop message.
you can figure out what mission it is and hit wave trigger ships, more DPS, makes it quicker/easier. Also.
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Just FYI every single CNR pilot is a bot..
Is the truth Dont mind me, -ájust touching your stuff. |
K1RTH G3RS3N
New Eden Trading and Resources
25
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Posted - 2012.02.08 09:18:00 -
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hahaha I like it, I'm going to have to try that during quiet times |
ValentinaDLM
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
480
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Posted - 2012.02.08 12:35:00 -
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Time to buy my alt a CNR and see if I can get someone to agress me then :P |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
34
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:28:00 -
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K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:[quote=Tenris Anis] Thankyou and if I find a way to kill hulks without losing sec status I will, though I think I'll just leave that to the hulkageddon crew.
Just create an alt for this, so you have not to care at all about his security standing, just be careful with that police forces chasing it ... ;-) |
Aine Ni
Some Really Meaningless Name
12
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:03:00 -
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I sometimes run missions out of Venilen - and have seen more than one fleet of "what looks like bots" - might be worth a look :) |
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
14
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Posted - 2012.02.08 20:29:00 -
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I like where you're trying to go with this, but...
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote: "You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."
A com-bot isn't going to clear that L4 mission *FASTER* than a real player. A mine-bot isn't going to fill its cargo hold with ore *FASTER* than a real player.
Nothing about *typical* macros or bot-scripts "facilitate[s] acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."
Devil's Advocate: Its not the bot user's fault that you choose to work|school|sleep and not to be in-game 23/7. Don't punish them for your lack of dedication.
That said, if you happen to run across a botter, I have absolutely nothing against lighting that bastard up. |
Exploited Engineer
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.02.08 21:09:00 -
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SC0T1SH WARRIOR wrote:Mission bots are quite common in my line of work.
usually just bump them them out of align and let the rats pop them. pretty much confirms bot status, because if you do it to anyone, they will ***** in local at you or PM you with a please stop message.
you can figure out what mission it is and hit wave trigger ships, more DPS, makes it quicker/easier.
Hm. "Buzz Kill" is probably the ideal mission for this.
Might take a lot of bumping to keep them from warping out though. |
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