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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.17 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Hexxx on 17/12/2007 13:53:46 Ok guys...
The rough market capitalization of all the IPO's is about 3.2 trillion isk based on EGSE and RSEX from what I can tell.
What percent of the total market capitalization do you think NUEX will have by Febuary 1st, 2008 since they will actually hold the value of each and every IPO they trade.
Additionally, how much net asset value will NUCON/NUEX hold at that point as well? (not a percent, but an actual number)
Man I wish we had a functional futures exchange to handle this one. =)
edited: for clarity and horrible spelling errors
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.17 13:53:00 -
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He will own about 2% of the total net value of stupid people in this game.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2007.12.17 13:55:00 -
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I bet I don't care.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.17 13:58:00 -
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Zero...Nada....Nothing
Why? Well its hard to have a percentage of a market when you have given up being an exchange due to lack of intrest from the consumer base.
The only way I am wrong is if he seriously changes his tune and business plan. --
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx Edited by: Hexxx on 17/12/2007 13:53:46 Ok guys...
The rough market capitalization of all the IPO's is about 3.2 trillion isk based on EGSE and RSEX from what I can tell.
What percent of the total market capitalization do you think NUEX will have by Febuary 1st, 2008 since they will actually hold the value of each and every IPO they trade.
Additionally, how much net asset value will NUCON/NUEX hold at that point as well? (not a percent, but an actual number)
Man I wish we had a functional futures exchange to handle this one. =)
edited: for clarity and horrible spelling errors
Thats a great question Hexxx;
I believe we will hold roughly 5-10% of the total Market Capitalization over the next 3 Months including our BETA phase. Obviously this is dependent on participation, and may increase or decrease signifigantly. I am not sure how long the other exchanges have been around - but even 5% would prove that NUEX is well on its way.
NUEX and NUCON are seperate entities even though the exchange is a subsidiary. NUEX estimates holdings around 200-500M ISK by Feb. NUEX estimates earnings around 1-5M ISK by Feb.
NUCO estimates holdings (cash) of 500M ISK by Feb. NUCO estimates earnings around 800M by Feb.
Want me to build a futures exchange? Best Regards Ufl Nucon Stock Exchange [OUR VISION]
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl Want me to build a futures exchange?
No, but you disappearing from these forums would go a long way to giving you credit, seeing as you're your own worst detractor.
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Ufl Want me to build a futures exchange?
No, but you disappearing from these forums would go a long way to giving you credit, seeing as you're your own worst detractor.
Your envy is showing.
Best Regards Ufl Nucon Stock Exchange [OUR VISION]
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl Your envy is showing.
Yes, I'm very envious that I'm not an arrogant self-appreciative jerk such as yourself.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Ufl Your envy is showing.
Yes, I'm very envious that I'm not an arrogant self-appreciative jerk such as yourself.
Guys...let's not derail this. Serious projections please.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:24:00 -
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Okay, 50mil. I really don't know - a total guess but you got to be in it to win it right?
CEO Aperture Science Industries
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Dohkar
Amarr Statler and Waldorf LLC
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox Zero...Nada....Nothing
I'll take "Treelox's Market Cap Guess" for $200, Alex.
For net asset value though, I'm willing to go with "however much he put into the corp wallet when he started".
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Eefrit
Eve Financial Services
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx ... Serious projections please.
I predict seriousness will become a serious issue scoring 9/10 serious points on the seriously serious scale.
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Hersheff
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:34:00 -
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If it's gonna be a scam ... nadda, nothing ... 0!
if it's not ... lots ??
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl I am not sure how long the other exchanges have been around - but even 5% would prove that NUEX is well on its way.
Just to give you some information EGSEX has been around for almost 2yrs at this point, and I believe that RESX is coming up on 1.5yrs real soon.
Thats a track record that you can bank on, care to give us an insight into any ingame track record you might have? --
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Ufl I am not sure how long the other exchanges have been around - but even 5% would prove that NUEX is well on its way.
Just to give you some information EGSEX has been around for almost 2yrs at this point, and I believe that RESX is coming up on 1.5yrs real soon.
Thats a track record that you can bank on, care to give us an insight into any ingame track record you might have?
Im planning on being here a while as you can tell. My track record is being built right now. Best Regards Ufl Nucon Stock Exchange [OUR VISION]
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl
Im planning on being here a while as you can tell. My track record is being built right now.
Truer words could not be spoken.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.17 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Ufl
Im planning on being here a while as you can tell. My track record is being built right now.
Truer words could not be spoken.
I seriously laughed out loud at this - people are looking at me weird. I beleive around 1-2 Billion, but it will all be money he makes for himself to invest in his own IPO to make this stock exchange look legit.
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Ufl
Caldari Nucon
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Posted - 2007.12.17 15:35:00 -
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This thread is labeled: "A wager" on NUEX and NUCON Wager meaning those who believe it will work, and those who believe it wont. The positive thing about anything posted here, is that there is proof that players believe this will work. Whether or not you personally like me is irrelevent.
It has been built, and they will come. Best Regards Ufl Nucon Stock Exchange [OUR VISION]
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.17 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl This thread is labeled: "A wager" on NUEX and NUCON Wager meaning those who believe it will work, and those who believe it wont. The positive thing about anything posted here, is that there is proof that players believe this will work. Whether or not you personally like me is irrelevent.
It has been built, and they will come.
I'll change it to be more accurate then.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Coconut Joe
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:58:00 -
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Do we include the ammount of money ulf invests in it himself? - Eve IGB Shop Template - The complete eve retail solution. |
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.17 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Coconut Joe Do we include the ammount of money ulf invests in it himself?
It just says money in the project - which is why I suggested 1-2B otherwise my suggestion is void.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.12.17 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl Your envy is showing.
Originally by: Ray McCormack Yes, I'm very envious that I'm not an arrogant self-appreciative jerk such as yourself.
Lol, sometimes UFL you make me seriously laugh. I think I figured this out. Ufl is Riethe's next scam. The constant insulting of people who have earned their spurs is so Riethe it might as well be signed. I suspected it was him from the skillful evasions and statements he's been making. This last statement to Ray proved it. Only Riethe could make so sublimely ironic a statement as this. Game over. Oh, my expectation... 30 billion in alt corporations. 10 billion went to play things of Riethe's so that leaves 30 billion he stole to try to make this exchange seem real.
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cosmoray
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Posted - 2007.12.17 21:06:00 -
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Ok Hexx
I will give some odds. Anyone wishing to bet against me, I am happy for Ebank to hold the money in escrow until payout time (Feb 1st).
Current Odds:
A current (as of Dec 17th) corporation from RSEX or EGSE will list on NUEX = 10/1
Number of legitimate IPO's (launched on forum successfully)is greater than number of IPO's listed on NUEX = 5/1
Total market capitilization of IPO's on NUEX (successfully launched through forums) is greater than 10B ISk = 5/1
Chance of 0 (zero) successful IPO launches (over 3b ISk cap) from forums listing on NUEX = 1/10
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Caliwyrm O'Libr
Red Eye .Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.17 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx
What percent of the total market capitalization do you think NUEX will have by Febuary 1st, 2008 since they will actually hold the value of each and every IPO they trade.
Additionally, how much net asset value will NUCON/NUEX hold at that point as well? (not a percent, but an actual number)
Far less than if he hadn't been so openly hostile to anyone and EVERYONE who asked him a simple question or two. =======
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Mr Horizontal
Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.17 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ufl NUEX estimates holdings around 200-500M ISK by Feb. NUEX estimates earnings around 1-5M ISK by Feb.
NUCO estimates holdings (cash) of 500M ISK by Feb. NUCO estimates earnings around 800M by Feb.
Want me to build a futures exchange?
So you predict 1,805,000,000 ISK (1.8b) around your whole 'group' of corporations by February? These are truly pathetic amounts... I'm sure some people have at least thought about giving this to you to shut up, but we simply can't guarantee you'd leave MD alone if we did! --- meh. |
FastLearner
Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray Ok Hexx
I will give some odds. Anyone wishing to bet against me, I am happy for Ebank to hold the money in escrow until payout time (Feb 1st).
Current Odds:
A current (as of Dec 17th) corporation from RSEX or EGSE will list on NUEX = 10/1
Number of legitimate IPO's (launched on forum successfully)is greater than number of IPO's listed on NUEX = 5/1
Total market capitilization of IPO's on NUEX (successfully launched through forums) is greater than 10B ISk = 5/1
Chance of 0 (zero) successful IPO launches (over 3b ISk cap) from forums listing on NUEX = 1/10
I have to say you're hanging your **** out there. If I thought you'd actually honour your bet I'd have 10 billion at 10:1 on the last offered odds there - and then launch a 4 billion IPO on the forums and list it on nuex. An easy 96 billion profit.
Unfortunately I suspect you're just a poor alt and your mouth writes cheques that your wallet can't back. let me know, though, if you DO have 100 billion to secure with EBank: I certainly have 10 billion to cover my side and suspect if I offer 10% guaranteed return per motnh I'd sell out a 4 bill IPO rather easily :)
Don't take this as support for New Con / You Fail: rather that you writing crap you can't back up with ISK is no better than him doing the same.
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Horizontal
Originally by: Ufl NUEX estimates holdings around 200-500M ISK by Feb. NUEX estimates earnings around 1-5M ISK by Feb.
NUCO estimates holdings (cash) of 500M ISK by Feb. NUCO estimates earnings around 800M by Feb.
Want me to build a futures exchange?
So you predict 1,805,000,000 ISK (1.8b) around your whole 'group' of corporations by February? These are truly pathetic amounts... I'm sure some people have at least thought about giving this to you to shut up, but we simply can't guarantee you'd leave MD alone if we did!
Yeah - his figures give away that either he's after people running pretending IPOs or he just really has no clue of the actual amounts of ISK involved in the real ones running. I guess 100% collateral is fine when you're selling 10 million shares at 1 ISK each.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral I think I figured this out. Ufl is Riethe's next scam. The constant insulting of people who have earned their spurs is so Riethe it might as well be signed. I suspected it was him from the skillful evasions and statements he's been making. This last statement to Ray proved it. Only Riethe could make so sublimely ironic a statement as this.
Game over.
Oh, my expectation... 30 billion in alt corporations. 10 billion went to play things of Riethe's so that leaves 30 billion he stole to try to make this exchange seem real.[/justify]
Hey now, this isn't very fair. Don't try to pin a failed scam on me, I take pride in my work and this is definitely not my disaster.
First rule of deceiving people is pretending you're just like them and have all the same concerns that they do.
I would never act this way, even if it was just a made up personality for the sake of the plan.
In my experience, people love someone (and give them money) that they think is just like them and understands them. Being overly amiable generally helps as well.
Ufl is as far away from that description as you can get.
Hmph.
Also, interesting thought here: In chemistry, UFL means "Upper Flammable Limit"
If you consider all of his remarks, everything he has said, and all the crowd response he's getting, you could say that he is in fact, the upper flammable limit of these forums.
Maybe it's a puzzle and this is actually viral marketing for a new MYST MMO.
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Fader Bane
Black Knight Buccaneers Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.17 23:46:00 -
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yeah at least Riethe made an effort to at least sound credible on the forums. Riethe may be a scammer but this guy is just an idiot and Riethe can change his ways. ________________________________________
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cosmoray
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Posted - 2007.12.17 23:52:00 -
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FS, yes I am an ALT but I will back up the bets with some cash (probably not as much as you woud like).
I am willing to put 500m ISK into e-bank in cash and/or assets.
Not much by some of you guys standards but it is a lot of liquid assets for me, as money is tied up in shares/production/bpo's, and I am not mega rich.
Feel free to wager against that amount if you want and I'll set up a transfer with E-bank.
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