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Trinkets friend wrote:

This whole thread should be retitled "why I hate T3 booster alts".

Faction dissy + T2 warfare links in a booster loki + skirmish mindlink = 50km point. Easy. 22km faction webs.
You get another 40% to AB and MWD speed.
Plus a 35% reduction in sig radius if you go that third link. Or, you can take the siege link and get 27.5% to shield stuff. Depends what he wants.

Toss in a blue pill and implants, and yeah, you can see how this guy achieves it. Plus, of course, having a clear game plan.

- web ships die first
- neut ships die second
- ceptors next
- then you go for the prize

If you are fighting a guy named XBOPOHx in a 100MN Tengu and there's a Captain BOPOH in local, and you have a Loki on scan named "not a booster" and you don't do the maths, yeah, prepare to lose your Machariel.

You will also notice he did not do so well vs fleets with ECM. Pencil that in your play books, ladies.

The real issue with the 100MN Tengu is the sig radius. With the speed he is getting from overheated 100MN, and a 35% reduction in sig radius, he is a) traveling faster than missile explosion velocity b) faster than most missiles anyway c) his sig radius is so low that if they do hit, it does SFA.

I don't know you need to nerf these ships. You need to buff people's situational awareness.

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Caldari Citizen 786478786 School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 53	Posted - 2012.02.08 19:45:00 - [61] - Quote L0rdF1end wrote: Targets in the video look dumb. He actually comes within 10km of the targets on a few rare occassions and should of been webbed and scrammed. But this is what it's like in Eve, sometimes you fight dumb opponents, then the next fight you get ganked by about 10 people. You shouldn't take a ship being OP just from a youtube video of someones best fights. Oh, and here's his 2.4 bil Tengu fit. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14997972 Since you clearly know what is and what isn't dumb, tell me, what good would a Scram do against a 100mn AB fit? And, if you had paid attention to the video, you'd have seen he was webbed on a number of occasions, but only 1 web at a time. Do better research next time. So you don't look dumb.
Outz Xacto Echelon Munitions 9	Posted - 2012.02.08 20:10:00 - [62] - Quote If the people complaining realized this... Mutnin wrote: People just whine because their cookie cutter fits can't counter it. And did alittle more scouting or oh I dont know, deciding to not fight a ship that their cookie cutter isn't going to match well against and come back with something that will?
shal ri Zanzibar Land 8	Posted - 2012.02.08 21:17:00 - [63] - Quote the op is an example of fail pvp pilots cryin about skilled pvp pilots. eve tho the tengu did not do the best job keepin his targets on field and keepin range. too many times he got way to close. the pvpers he was fighting just couldnt use his mistakes to thier advantage and they paid for it
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 317	Posted - 2012.02.08 21:34:00 - [64] - Quote Its like someone complaining that harbingers are overpowered because I can kill a dozen month old newbs at once in one.
Outz Xacto Echelon Munitions 9	Posted - 2012.02.09 01:00:00 - [65] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Its like someone complaining that harbingers are overpowered because I can kill a dozen month old newbs at once in one. We should look into nerfing the harbinger next if thats the case, all these ships are so OP.
Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 128	Posted - 2012.02.09 04:15:00 - [66] - Quote This whole thread should be retitled "why I hate T3 booster alts". Faction dissy + T2 warfare links in a booster loki + skirmish mindlink = 50km point. Easy. 22km faction webs. You get another 40% to AB and MWD speed. Plus a 35% reduction in sig radius if you go that third link. Or, you can take the siege link and get 27.5% to shield stuff. Depends what he wants. Toss in a blue pill and implants, and yeah, you can see how this guy achieves it. Plus, of course, having a clear game plan. - web ships die first - neut ships die second - ceptors next - then you go for the prize If you are fighting a guy named XBOPOHx in a 100MN Tengu and there's a Captain BOPOH in local, and you have a Loki on scan named "not a booster" and you don't do the maths, yeah, prepare to lose your Machariel. You will also notice he did not do so well vs fleets with ECM. Pencil that in your play books, ladies. The real issue with the 100MN Tengu is the sig radius. With the speed he is getting from overheated 100MN, and a 35% reduction in sig radius, he is a) traveling faster than missile explosion velocity b) faster than most missiles anyway c) his sig radius is so low that if they do hit, it does SFA. I don't know you need to nerf these ships. You need to buff people's situational awareness. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu @trinketsfriend on twatter
Calsys Monks of War 41	Posted - 2012.02.09 04:47:00 - [67] - Quote Mutnin wrote: btw When did the Machieral whines change to Tengu whines?. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12381665 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12278589 herf machariel! why one ship is so overpowered! ohwai...
xBOPOHx1 Vice Squad. 0	Posted - 2012.02.09 09:51:00 - [68] - Quote http://clip2net.com/s/1zC0D
Dztrgovac 29	Posted - 2012.02.09 13:17:00 - [69] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Its like someone complaining that harbingers are overpowered because I can kill a dozen month old newbs at once in one. Lolno? Just 3 or 4 of month old newbs in frigs or cruisers in nonfail fits with 1 semi decent FC among them will kill your harbi no matter what. Oversized AB **** otoh you need a very specialized gang to have any chance and 90% of ordinarily but correctly setup gangs can just try run in terror.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Pirate Nation. 10	Posted - 2012.02.09 14:24:00 - [70] - Quote Excellent post, couldn't agree with this more. Trinkets friend wrote: This whole thread should be retitled "why I hate T3 booster alts". Faction dissy + T2 warfare links in a booster loki + skirmish mindlink = 50km point. Easy. 22km faction webs. You get another 40% to AB and MWD speed. Plus a 35% reduction in sig radius if you go that third link. Or, you can take the siege link and get 27.5% to shield stuff. Depends what he wants. Toss in a blue pill and implants, and yeah, you can see how this guy achieves it. Plus, of course, having a clear game plan. - web ships die first - neut ships die second - ceptors next - then you go for the prize If you are fighting a guy named XBOPOHx in a 100MN Tengu and there's a Captain BOPOH in local, and you have a Loki on scan named "not a booster" and you don't do the maths, yeah, prepare to lose your Machariel. You will also notice he did not do so well vs fleets with ECM. Pencil that in your play books, ladies. The real issue with the 100MN Tengu is the sig radius. With the speed he is getting from overheated 100MN, and a 35% reduction in sig radius, he is a) traveling faster than missile explosion velocity b) faster than most missiles anyway c) his sig radius is so low that if they do hit, it does SFA. I don't know you need to nerf these ships. You need to buff people's situational awareness.

Khanh'rhh One Man Rodgering 655	Posted - 2012.02.09 14:38:00 - [71] - Quote I like Eve-O forums for their consistency. "Missiles are rubbish at PVP, train autocannons" (present everywhere) "Nerf Drake! Nerf Tengu! They do all their damage out to huge ranges! You can't shoot them with autocannons!" (present everywhere) Owait. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 318	Posted - 2012.02.09 15:16:00 - [72] - Quote Dztrgovac wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Its like someone complaining that harbingers are overpowered because I can kill a dozen month old newbs at once in one. Lolno? Just 3 or 4 of month old newbs in frigs or cruisers in nonfail fits with 1 semi decent FC among them will kill your harbi no matter what. Oversized AB **** otoh you need a very specialized gang to have any chance and 90% of ordinarily but correctly setup gangs can just try run in terror. The point. You missed it. Also newbs are well known for flying properly fit ships and being lead by competent FCs.
Twisted Girl Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 12	Posted - 2012.02.10 11:48:00 - [73] - Quote it just does like 450-500dps max. 2 scimis and few webs and his toast.
Rel'k Bloodlor Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords 132	Posted - 2012.02.10 12:00:00 - [74] - Quote He's using lots of isk and alts so its not that over powered, that said. A root of a much larger problem is over sized prop mods, same thing that happened to assault frigs on the test server. And that is wrong, most of the new age super tengus taking so little damage and being almost as hard to pin down as super caps. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-a-aI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-aMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do.
Joyelle State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.02.11 19:13:00 - [75] - Quote HAM 100Mn LEGION will give a tengu a run for its money.
Joyelle State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.02.11 19:15:00 - [76] - Quote xBOPOHx1 wrote: http://clip2net.com/s/1zC0D My man. When are you gonna release another tengu vid for us fans?
xBOPOHx1 Vice Squad. 2	Posted - 2012.02.12 12:18:00 - [77] - Quote Joyelle wrote: xBOPOHx1 wrote: http://clip2net.com/s/1zC0D My man. When are you gonna release another tengu vid for us fans? I think 4-5 weeks.
Lord Drokoth DARKNESS RISING. IMPERIAL LEGI0N 9	Posted - 2012.02.12 20:08:00 - [78] - Quote LOL you lost that bad against a single 100mn AB tengu? Bring the right ships.. Problem Solved.
Solj RichPopolous Triple Entente 1	Posted - 2012.02.24 05:32:00 - [79] - Quote As a 100mn loki/legion pilot myself. I say stfu about nerf. These things actually let the game be played to a level where having a bigger fleet of tards doesnt automatically makes u win. there are VERY easy counters to these ships but most people can't think enough to even "pvp" without an FC holding their hand in an already win situation so I wouldn't expect people to realize this. These ships cost money and take skill to fly. Make a 100mn t3 yourself and go pvp i guarantee an unexperienced nub with a big wallet will die horribly. Its not as simple as approach or click orbit and shoot like what most eve players are accustomed to. It takes actual piloting.
Stabs McShiv MINUS4 3	Posted - 2012.02.24 06:31:00 - [80] - Quote Just probe out the booster alt it dos not give out a bonus when its bouncing safes for its life that's when you kill the tengu or force it off the field. Or just Leeroy your cookie cutters. Idiots.

Diesel47 Sons of Retribution Malice Alliance 5	Posted - 2012.02.24 12:58:00 - [81] - Quote look at his tengu fit first then call ships OP: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14997972 Seeing as it cost 4x more than the two machs it killed.... combined.. I doubt the problem here is only the tengu. That was a great pvp video, shame the music was horrid and the editing nonexistent.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts 202	Posted - 2012.02.24 15:06:00 - [82] - Quote If there is a problem, it's more to do with warfare links than the Tengu.
M1k3y Koontz Taxes Suck Inc. 2	Posted - 2012.02.24 19:09:00 - [83] - Quote Diesel47 wrote: look at his tengu fit first then call ships OP: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14997972 Seeing as it cost 4x more than the two machs it killed.... combined.. I doubt the problem here is only the tengu. That was a great pvp video, shame the music was horrid and the editing nonexistent. That tengu linked there is also a fail and its a good thing that it died. Faction nanos = no Lack of resists outside rigs = meh 100mn = still stupid IMO (unless you meet a drake blob, it just hurts your DPS and tank from the need of nanos and ancilary rigs)
Rei Seiji Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers. 5	Posted - 2012.02.25 12:00:00 - [84] - Quote So on Youtube, I saw this video with this really overpowered ship... I think it's called the Velator? ...and it killed these other ships, and I totally think it should get nerfed based on this one video!
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin 164	Posted - 2012.02.25 13:27:00 - [85] - Quote Tengu is fine. Lucky for you whiners there are few amazing tengu pilots out there. Belive me i killed many of these 100mn wanna be guys and it never gets close to working out as well as bopo etc Unless of course this thread came up because the OP tryed it and failed miserably and is now crying about it. Tengus are the only good caldari cruiser szied boat and it costs an obsene amount to achive results above expected.
Jones Bones Brutor Bike Co. Heretic Nation 29	Posted - 2012.02.25 14:16:00 - [86] - Quote Properly fit 100mn Tengus tend to cost upwards of 2b. I'm sorry you expect to kill it with your Drake.
Mfume Apocal Origin. Nulli Secunda 326	Posted - 2012.02.25 17:01:00 - [87] - Quote Actually, you have probably seen OP in quite a few PvP videos. Unfortunately for him, he's always in the overview.
Tinu Moorhsum Royal Scientific Research Enterprise 48	Posted - 2012.02.27 02:17:00 - [88] - Quote Kingzolo wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_c2Q2W09U Too OP really. What he's showing you is a bit of a fairytale. It's all snippets of action taken at different times and it's shows lots of "heroic" kills of t1 cruisers and battlecruisers and some damned good piloting. What he doesn't show you is the ship that he had up his sleeve because he wants you to think that it was all solo action, but it wasn't. There were two in fleet and the other ship was likely a command Loki. Two pimp fit T3's versus some T1 cruisers and Battlecruisers makes for lots of explosions. Looks good for Youtube. What he also isn't showing you is how many fights he had that ended in stalemates or fights where he had to run after killing the little stuff. He's also not showing you this: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12117406 Yes, that's his Tengu, killed by a few BC's and various small stuff. So yeah. the Tengu is a powerful ship and that pilot is pretty darned good with it, but it's far from a "win machine". T-
Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 156	Posted - 2012.02.27 02:56:00 - [89] - Quote Wow, Tinu, what you aren't telling everyone is you read the whole thread, including my poast, and regurgitated it in a slightly different manner and told everyone the bleeding obvious that not every fight ends in victory. You, sir, are a legend. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu @trinketsfriend on twatter
Super Chair Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing 158	Posted - 2012.02.27 05:45:00 - [90] - Quote I love how the OP cries that tengu's are OP, and the FW community is like na we kill lots of them Tengu's really aren't the problem. For instance, http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15300334 Tengu warps in on top of our moa/gila, gila has no webs, moa has one web. However, the gila had neuts. It began to melt and our dramiel came in to get a 2nd web just incase. It should have had a 2nd t2 ancil rig instead of the missile rig for a 2nd nano but meh. Of course I don't think this tengu was boosted. One tech 1 cruiser and one faction cruiser plus a dramiel, for a total of 1 small neut, 1 medium neut, and two webs were enough to take it down. Here's another tengu, this one had a much better fit and more isk thrown into it, but we used 100mn tengu to kill a 100mn tengu. The victim had falcon and naga to assist him. This tengu was not boosted either. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15273768 There isn't really a problem with tengus, I think boosters are an issue and should be limited to to being on the same grid, but that's a different discussion. Turning radius on tengu is really big, whoever he is primarying can just burn in the opposite direction once their tank starts to fail, forcing the tengu to either continue burning in the same direction, or be forced to turn around (and lose speed so a gangmate can web him) otherwise they lose out on a kill. People think blobbing and not piloting are the way forward nowdays and would rather scream nerf rather than bring a counter setup or use tactis


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