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Kingzolo
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2012.02.05 19:30:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_c2Q2W09U
Too OP really. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.02.05 19:46:00 -
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Just watched the first fight so far:
I can (and have) done that and more in a drake. The main problem there are blaster boats sucking, not the tengu being OP.
EDIT: And later on, his opponents in drakes don't break 200m/s! I see lots of fail pilots he fights against, and no "OMG TENGU OP" |
Mors Prima
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:10:00 -
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Kingzolo wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_c2Q2W09U
Too OP really.
That guy is my hero! |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
473
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:48:00 -
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Why do you feel the need to necro a whole bunch of thread and make your own to continually post the same thing? |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
87
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:01:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Just watched the first fight so far:
I can (and have) done that and more in a drake. The main problem there are blaster boats sucking, not the tengu being OP.
EDIT: And later on, his opponents in drakes don't break 200m/s! I see lots of fail pilots he fights against, and no "OMG TENGU OP"
It was good piloting on his/their parts but no you would never do those fights in a single Drake nor with 2 Drakes. You simply can't weave in and out of scam range with a MWD Drake like you can with the 100MN AB/ Loki boosted Tengu with 50KM point.
While many of those he fought were not very smart, he also did a good job of dictating range and shooting the right targets when they needed to be shot.
Not to mention even Nano Drakes don't hit that speed nor can they over heat as long as a Tengu can.
But of course Nerf Drakes. err I mean Tengus.. or was it Caracals.. I forget. |
Justin Cody
T.A.L.O.N. Company Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:48:00 -
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Kingzolo wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_c2Q2W09U
Too OP really.
Ok I've watched most of that video and I can tell you many reasons that in this case it isn't OP.
1) he is using what appears to be either a friend who is giving command bonuses to point range and speed, deadspace equipment, or a combination thereof.
A t2 point on a tengu does not normally give you 42km or more point range or beyond 20KM web range.
2) he is for the most part not taking sentry gun fire, rather engaging those who are SoS or silly enough to engage a 100mn AB fit tengu.
3) he is managing his cap very well and even a single curse will not keep him neuted out completely if he manages his injections well enough.
4) despite hi getting very close to people many times...no one hits him with a webbifier, so either he scanned em ahead of time (most likely) or it is staged. I supposed he could also be targeting morons.
5) good video of epic solo pvp |
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2012.02.05 23:07:00 -
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Leave the Tengu and Drake alone IMO. HAI GUISE |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
307
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Posted - 2012.02.05 23:14:00 -
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Or just buff the other T3s. That way everyone can be happy. |
Aestivalis Saidrian
SplitPush Mercantiles
25
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Posted - 2012.02.06 00:33:00 -
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That works. Then we can power the EVE servers on Rage and Tears about how Tengus are no longer god. |
Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2012.02.06 04:26:00 -
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Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:That works. Then we can power the EVE servers on Rage and Tears about how Tengus are no longer god.
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
287
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Posted - 2012.02.06 05:05:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:It was good piloting on his/their parts but no you would never do those fights in a single Drake nor with 2 Drakes. You simply can't weave in and out of scam range with a MWD Drake like you can with the 100MN AB/ Loki boosted Tengu with 50KM point.
The solution to that "problem" is to not fly a nanodrake like you would a 100MN AB Tengu. You can actually dictate range a lot better in a nanodrake, thanks to better agility. |
Kietay Ayari
En Garde
325
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:49:00 -
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I liked that video :3 Ferox #1 |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
435
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:53:00 -
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They should nerf Tengu and buff Ferox amirite? And nanodrakes are only for derps who don't listen to FC and screw up in their Muninns ;( |
Kietay Ayari
En Garde
325
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:01:00 -
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Nooo Tengu #1 now, I just cant reach the button to change my signature anymore. Ferox #1 |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
184
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:27:00 -
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3b isk tengu with t3 command bonus alt, mostly using HG crystals but at one point id have to say HG slaves as he hits around 4.7k going after a cynabal. Poor heat management, poor module control, and he loses plenty of them in lulzy fashions.
It's not OP, it's just min maxing while pissing isk at the wind. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
287
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:30:00 -
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XIRUSPHERE wrote: id have to say HG slaves as he hits around 4.7k going after a cynabal.
snakes |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
184
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:57:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:XIRUSPHERE wrote: id have to say HG slaves as he hits around 4.7k going after a cynabal. snakes
yeah my derp is strong tonight, I read it as snakes initially. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Kietay Ayari
En Garde
325
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Posted - 2012.02.06 09:01:00 -
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One day I will do this. One day. Maybe I will practice with his T2 fit. Ferox #1 |
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
48
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Posted - 2012.02.06 09:39:00 -
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To be fair, to many times have we tried to catch a 100mn Tengu, and even with two huginns ie 4 webs, they can kill the huginns faster than 10 man fleet in BCs can bring the tengu down. Once the huginns are down or warpped off he will just burn at range again.
I use a 100mn loki, but i think that there need to be a nerf so you cant fit a battleship afterburner to a T3 overall. Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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Gempei
Siberian Khatru. Shadow Operations.
30
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Posted - 2012.02.06 09:57:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Or just buff the other T3s. this, others T3s need some love
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Apollo Eros
Percussive Diplomacy
12
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Posted - 2012.02.06 10:07:00 -
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Justin Cody wrote:Kingzolo wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_c2Q2W09U
Too OP really. Ok I've watched most of that video and I can tell you many reasons that in this case it isn't OP. 1) he is using what appears to be either a friend who is giving command bonuses to point range and speed, deadspace equipment, or a combination thereof. A t2 point on a tengu does not normally give you 42km or more point range or beyond 20KM web range. 2) he is for the most part not taking sentry gun fire, rather engaging those who are SoS or silly enough to engage a 100mn AB fit tengu. 3) he is managing his cap very well and even a single curse will not keep him neuted out completely if he manages his injections well enough. 4) despite hi getting very close to people many times...no one hits him with a webbifier, so either he scanned em ahead of time (most likely) or it is staged. I supposed he could also be targeting morons. 5) good video of epic solo pvp
He does use a booster. |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
158
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Posted - 2012.02.06 10:10:00 -
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Just nerf the missile damage very slightly at those extreme ranges and it will be fine. |
Dztrgovac
25
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Posted - 2012.02.06 11:02:00 -
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So, he is using:
gist 100mn AB (didn't see which type) standard blue pill, quafe zero, true sansha web, likely faction point, nearly max skilled T3 booster alt etc...
Now before you say that investing 3Bn and having two accounts should award you with unstoppable solopwnmobile (because having booster alt is SOLO)... please say could any other ship combination for same ammounnt if isk wreak as much havoc. Two facption pimped pirate BSes, any non Tengu T3 with a T3 booster, any other ship with a T3 booster.
100mn T3s return the "glorious" days of full scale nano faggotry where everyone was "I invested 3 bil in this, I deserve to pwn everything".
Oh and this is nice proof about "validity" of claims that Caldari are bad for PVP. Lets see, Tengu is best for all kinds of PVE, and 100Mn AB one is most useful for fleet flights (some people have way too much isk) and solopwn. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
287
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Posted - 2012.02.06 11:28:00 -
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Dztrgovac wrote:Lets see, Tengu is best for all kinds of PVE, and 100Mn AB one is most useful for fleet flights (some people have way too much isk) and solopwn.
Tengu isn't particularly good for Incursions. And 100MN ABs are incredibly for fleets, the Tengu fleets you see have 10MN ABs. |
Kingzolo
The Bastards The Bastards.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 12:24:00 -
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I dont think they nerf shuold break the tengu to much, i would rarther that there where some greater penalties to the 100MN fit. Like even worse agility and acceleration. |
L0rdF1end
STA'IN The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.02.06 13:53:00 -
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Targets in the video look dumb. He actually comes within 10km of the targets on a few rare occassions and should of been webbed and scrammed.
But this is what it's like in Eve, sometimes you fight dumb opponents, then the next fight you get ganked by about 10 people.
You shouldn't take a ship being OP just from a youtube video of someones best fights.
Oh, and here's his 2.4 bil Tengu fit. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14997972 |
Dztrgovac
25
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:50:00 -
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When he's going on 3kms with insane inertia that oversized AB gives him he will take forever to slow down with any number of webs on him; certainly long enough to get out of web range. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
91
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Posted - 2012.02.06 17:10:00 -
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If you guys notice, he was webbed many times but he was smart enough to take out the ships webbing him. Still it was a lot of fail from his targets which allows a good pilot to do crazy things in a Pmped out ship.
Also if you notice at end of video they used T2 fit Tengus and almost died horribly at the start of the fight where they then managed to pull out due to the targets not finishing the job when having the opportunity.
Despite this... CCP should nerf Tengus, Drakes & Caracal.. because PVE ships shouldn't be able to PVP.. |
Kingzolo
The Bastards The Bastards.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 17:41:00 -
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Also... This Tengu is actually engaging multiple targets 5+ in more occasions.. Try to imangine if there was a fleet of 4-5 tengus - Would be massacre.
Again, they should nerf that 100mn somehow, when put on cruisers/BC, becayse this is madness. 5k m/s and suerb accel/agility is just dumb. Only counter shuold be the Bhallgorn with min. complex webs, becuase all other web ships will just die secs after webbing.
100mn on cruiser class ships: -100% agility penalty -100% Acceleration penalty. (maybe even more)
With theese penaties rapiers and others with webs might have a chance of slowing it enough for others to catch up. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
91
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Posted - 2012.02.06 17:46:00 -
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Kingzolo wrote:Also... This Tengu is actually engaging multiple targets 5+ in more occasions.. Try to imangine if there was a fleet of 4-5 tengus - Would be massacre.
Again, they should nerf that 100mn somehow, when put on cruisers/BC, becayse this is madness. 5k m/s and suerb accel/agility is just dumb. Only counter shuold be the Bhallgorn with min. complex webs, becuase all other web ships will just die secs after webbing.
100mn on cruiser class ships: -100% agility penalty -100% Acceleration penalty. (maybe even more)
With theese penaties rapiers and others with webs might have a chance of slowing it enough for others to catch up.
You are being tarded.. at no point did he ever even get close to 5km/s Best was just slightly over 3.5km/s but when going that fast the ship turns like a flying Brick. |
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Kingzolo
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:23:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Kingzolo wrote:Also... This Tengu is actually engaging multiple targets 5+ in more occasions.. Try to imangine if there was a fleet of 4-5 tengus - Would be massacre.
Again, they should nerf that 100mn somehow, when put on cruisers/BC, becayse this is madness. 5k m/s and suerb accel/agility is just dumb. Only counter shuold be the Bhallgorn with min. complex webs, becuase all other web ships will just die secs after webbing.
100mn on cruiser class ships: -100% agility penalty -100% Acceleration penalty. (maybe even more)
With theese penaties rapiers and others with webs might have a chance of slowing it enough for others to catch up. You are being tarded.. at no point did he ever even get close to 5km/s Best was just slightly over 3.5km/s but when going that fast the ship turns like a flying Brick.
Actually sir, you are beeing retarted and shuold watch the vidio closer before u comment. - get to 18min and 35 sec. The Tengu reaches 4800 m/s OH and you can see that he isent even maxed out. And the thing about turning like a brick - well yes its shuold be like that but it sure aint. Keeping an orbit at sometime with over 2200 m/s on 20km isent brick like unfortunatly.
Some side info btw for u guys thiking about webs. -at a point he is beeing webed by a rapier and still goin 2200 m/s -Later on he has webs on him from rapier+drake still goin 800+ m/s. |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
22
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:30:00 -
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Buff the Tengu please!
Oh sorry wrong thread Is sexy time? |
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
9
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:55:00 -
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ITT: People complaining about months of skill training for specific purposes, billions of isk spent, and the use of two accounts. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
275
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:59:00 -
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100Mn AB Tengu has no equal, especially not when boosted by a T3 alt as done in that video .. anything fast enough to catch/stop it dies before its in any danger. Only thing one has to be wary of is neuting so a wide berth around Curses when they come around, but then that's the story for pretty much all ships so 'meh'
Also, "lol" at buffing all other T3s, aka. making all four as OP compared to all other ships as the Tengu is ..
Limit ability to oversize by increasing fitting requirement on likely/commonly used modules .. plates, drives, extenders, booster et al., or reduce fittings to allow anything and everything to be oversized by all ships and tweak penalties instead (ex. drives to increase mass by more than current). |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
35
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:40:00 -
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He's probably receiving bonuses while having good implants and a pimped out ship.
I've seen similar performances in other ships.
Tengu's are ships that give you more bang for your buck. The more bucks you put in, the more bang you get. Clearly this guy made a hefty investment and is now reaping the benefits. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
298
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Posted - 2012.02.06 21:53:00 -
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because of a 5b snaked tengu? (with rf point) CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Dztrgovac
25
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:07:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:He's probably receiving bonuses while having good implants and a pimped out ship.
I've seen similar performances in other ships.
Tengu's are ships that give you more bang for your buck. The more bucks you put in, the more bang you get. Clearly this guy made a hefty investment and is now reaping the benefits.
There is no if to any of those.
Said pilot can afford to lose couple of 1.5-3B Tengus each month so we see his fits. Achieving those web and point ranges even with faction gear (which he uses) requires pretty much perfectly skilled T3 link booster. He opens his inventory at one time and we see quafe zero and standard blue pill.
But. It has been official position of CCP that while isk and skill should of course give pilots the edge; they mustn't allow solopwnmobiles. That was why old nano died all those years ago.
Simple fact is that overzied AB Tengu is broken. Same as 7kms Vagas were broken. Any non nano setup trying to emulate this (faction and deadspace gear + max skilled T3 booster) would die miserably fighting that much people at same time.
Boosted oversized AB T3s are revival of old nano ships. Able to engage and disengage at will, and so having sufficient survivability to make muilti bilion isk pimp fits worth the money. |
Kingzolo
The Bastards The Bastards.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:11:00 -
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I agree its expensive - but what other ship can u pimp to this kind of crasyness?
100% hit garanteed up to 100+km - no tracking. Up to 450+ dps. Cant get scrambled obviously, and takes at least 3 webs to get under 1k m/s. 3.5m/s AB - 5k+ m/s OH if u shuold get in trouble. 150 Signature radius which means most ships over cruiser size wont be able to track you or catch u for the record. tanks 450+ omni dps. which almost never is nessesary becuase no one is ever close to you and if they are they cant track you. cap stable.
all this is even without any kind of boosters. |
Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:28:00 -
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tengu is ok, no need for nerf.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
27
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:34:00 -
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Dztrgovac wrote: Simple fact is that overzied AB Tengu is broken. Same as 7kms Vagas were broken. Any non nano setup trying to emulate this (faction and deadspace gear + max skilled T3 booster) would die miserably fighting that much people at same time.
Boosted oversized AB T3s are revival of old nano ships. Able to engage and disengage at will, and so having sufficient survivability to make muilti bilion isk pimp fits worth the money.
They really aren't overpowered at all: Their terrible agility makes them easy to catch. Look at this for example
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14829964
We lost a single rupture taking down that apparently OP uncatchable tengu you complain about. About half of the ships on the killmail (all 7 in total) are 3 t1 frigates. All I had to do was wait until I saw the tengu trying to turn around (which takes forever with a 100MN AB burner), overheat my MWD in a nano drake and put my two webs on him and he went nowhere.
The people that tengu was fighting in that video were mostly poorly skilled pilots flying armor tanked close range ships. People like that are food for any kind of long range nano ship.
If anything is over (or under) powered it's close range armor ships vs nano ships with range. But that's not a tengu specific issue. |
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
210
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Posted - 2012.02.07 00:13:00 -
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All "nerfTengoo!!111!!!" whingers are idiots, and should feel ashamed of themselves.
It's axiomatic, really. I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Derth Ramir
Xenuria.
7
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Posted - 2012.02.07 06:13:00 -
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Hi Mr. 100mn Tengu im a dual web loki. |
Pulgy
Spiritus Draconis
36
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Posted - 2012.02.07 07:55:00 -
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chatgris wrote: If anything is over (or under) powered it's close range armor ships vs nano ships with range. But that's not a tengu specific issue.
now now chat let us not get rational in a thread like this. Monkeys writing-á Shakespeare? That's like putting CCP in charge of game balance and content updates. |
Kingzolo
The Bastards The Bastards.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.07 08:57:00 -
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Derth Ramir wrote:Hi Mr. 100mn Tengu im a dual web loki.
Take a look in the video newb,lots of Dual Web ships! And WHO the **** has a Dual Web 100mn loki WHO Can catcher up? None |
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
9
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Posted - 2012.02.07 09:14:00 -
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Kingzolo wrote:Derth Ramir wrote:Hi Mr. 100mn Tengu im a dual web loki. Take a look in the video newb,lots of Dual Web ships! And WHO the **** has a Dual Web 100mn loki WHO Can catcher up? None
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSoFCC26KGw&list=UUbKKhS4xtzzLFvQy7yRjU4g&index=1&feature=plcp
I'll just put this here. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
93
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Posted - 2012.02.07 12:22:00 -
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it is possible to kill 100mn tengu with t1/t2 ships... however u have to dual web neut it blob it ....
we killed two in last month and in both cases had some losses..... and in both cases pilots made quite serious tactical misstake.
Question is if u really have to nerf it as it is really expensive and sp demanding (like cynabals or machs for example) to properly fit and fly. Noob tengus will burn in flames if deployed in combat (and sometimes they do). Experienced pilot will cause havoc in many situations (like station gaming carrier), but there is allways some way to counter the ****.
BTW if they will increase sig radius of tengu to 250 >>> more dead tengus (if u really want nerf).
I think that for solo work is surprisingly worst loki (the most notorious booster of the universe). IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
Public ch.: Basterds on vacation-á |
Christine Peeveepeeski
Killing With Kindness The Obsidian Front
52
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:42:00 -
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Yeah, first time I met a 100mn tengu with booster was this guy. Props to him, he blew up my noctis because i was asleep at the wheel, I reshipped to a few combat ships (dual boxing) without understanding what the fit could do. I then lost the hurricane and got the drake out. Had him webbed twice, scrammed an neuted. Just couldn't get him slowed down... mental.
Not sure if its OP or of the ease of getting ISK to build it is.....
Now I know to avoid it when by myself :D
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K1RTH G3RS3N
New Eden Trading and Resources
23
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:49:00 -
[48] - Quote
lol ccp nerfed nano.
players will find a way |
Dztrgovac
25
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:53:00 -
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Well just to say that in olden days with 90% webs you still had issues of nano ships gliding out of web range on inertia. |
Larofeticus
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:36:00 -
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All three fuel catalyst subsystem bonuses should be limited to 10mn afterburners.
Problem solved.
Every other ship bonus limits to modules of the size appropriate for the hull; to do so uniformly except for this this single subsystem is asinine. |
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lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.07 20:50:00 -
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Larofeticus wrote:All three fuel catalyst subsystem bonuses should be limited to 10mn afterburners.
Problem solved.
Every other ship bonus limits to modules of the size appropriate for the hull; to do so uniformly except for this this single subsystem is asinine.
Except that rate of fire bonuses actually apply to all weapon types in most cases |
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
9
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Posted - 2012.02.07 21:07:00 -
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lolcorpholder alt wrote:Larofeticus wrote:All three fuel catalyst subsystem bonuses should be limited to 10mn afterburners.
Problem solved.
Every other ship bonus limits to modules of the size appropriate for the hull; to do so uniformly except for this this single subsystem is asinine. Except that rate of fire bonuses actually apply to all weapon types in most cases
Glad someone noticed this uninformed post. |
Robertson Nolen
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 05:56:00 -
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Kingzolo wrote:Derth Ramir wrote:Hi Mr. 100mn Tengu im a dual web loki. Take a look in the video newb,lots of Dual Web ships! And WHO the **** has a Dual Web 100mn loki WHO Can catcher up? None Speed and shield tanking with cap boosters? NO WAY CALL THE POLICE! CCP should make sure the tengu cannot fly over 100m/s and has terrible cap. All pilots who are good at flying them should be banned now. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
8
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Posted - 2012.02.08 06:35:00 -
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I have engaged one of these which was solo and been in fleet battles agasint a load of them. And I do not think they should be nerfed, and I have to ask why is it when something interesting, a challenge is there you lot want to nerf it. Its like the Drake, its different, it has a tank and lower DPS and now its going to b echanged to a higher DPS and lower tank and that hurts noobs. In this case you are going after players who have set themselves up with training and implants and boosters like this to have an advantage in a very expensive ship.
Now it is not pleasent when your on the receiving end of these Tengu's but for gods sake man up and work out how to beat them instead of hitting the nerf button.
And I seriously disagree with the coming nerf to the Drake, great way to hurt newer players CCP. |
Calsys
Monks of War
41
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:29:00 -
[55] - Quote
why one ship is so overpowered? CCP nerf 100mn ab@Tengu and other ships!
PROOF |
Calsys
Monks of War
41
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:36:00 -
[56] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote: And I seriously disagree with the coming nerf to the Drake, great way to hurt newer players CCP.
why other players (not caldari\drakes pilots) must suffer? oh wai... |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
22
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:03:00 -
[57] - Quote
Na, for the cost of that thing its a bit underpowered...should be able to give a bj as well
Calsys wrote:why one ship is so overpowered? CCP nerf 100mn ab@Tengu and other ships! PROOF
Is sexy time? |
Roosterton
Syndicalis Immortalis
315
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:22:00 -
[58] - Quote
90% web Daredevil.
That is all.
Alternatively, as I mentioned in another thread: Neut Dominix + tanky Huginn. |
Calsys
Monks of War
41
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:30:00 -
[59] - Quote
Roosterton wrote:90% web Daredevil.
That is all.
Alternatively, as I mentioned in another thread: Neut Dominix + tanky Huginn. yea-yeah just simple words nothing more dd - easy enemy for tengu neutr domi? lol? orbit it at 30km = km domi you got padawan :D |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
94
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:42:00 -
[60] - Quote
Calsys wrote:why one ship is so overpowered? CCP nerf 100mn ab@Tengu and other ships! PROOF
They are beatable, with out ridiculous gang sizes but you have to be prepared to fight them. I fought one today as well as his 2 Hurricane buddies. I had 2 Drakes but ended up having to bail, due to burning out MWD trying to keep range from the Hurricanes. I would have lost 1 Drake in the fight had I stayed, but had I been better prepared the fight could of turned back to my favor.
The deal is you really have to fit your ship to counter the 100MN Tengu but it can be beaten. While it might be a tad OP I wouldn't say it needs to be nerf'd just yet. People just whine because their cookie cutter fits can't counter it.
btw When did the Machieral whines change to Tengu whines?
also nerf Drakes... |
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Caldari Citizen 786478786
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:45:00 -
[61] - Quote
L0rdF1end wrote:Targets in the video look dumb. He actually comes within 10km of the targets on a few rare occassions and should of been webbed and scrammed. But this is what it's like in Eve, sometimes you fight dumb opponents, then the next fight you get ganked by about 10 people. You shouldn't take a ship being OP just from a youtube video of someones best fights. Oh, and here's his 2.4 bil Tengu fit. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14997972
Since you clearly know what is and what isn't dumb, tell me, what good would a Scram do against a 100mn AB fit? And, if you had paid attention to the video, you'd have seen he was webbed on a number of occasions, but only 1 web at a time.
Do better research next time. So you don't look dumb. |
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
9
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Posted - 2012.02.08 20:10:00 -
[62] - Quote
If the people complaining realized this...
Mutnin wrote:People just whine because their cookie cutter fits can't counter it.
And did alittle more scouting or oh I dont know, deciding to not fight a ship that their cookie cutter isn't going to match well against and come back with something that will? |
shal ri
Zanzibar Land
8
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Posted - 2012.02.08 21:17:00 -
[63] - Quote
the op is an example of fail pvp pilots cryin about skilled pvp pilots. eve tho the tengu did not do the best job keepin his targets on field and keepin range. too many times he got way to close. the pvpers he was fighting just couldnt use his mistakes to thier advantage and they paid for it
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
317
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Posted - 2012.02.08 21:34:00 -
[64] - Quote
Its like someone complaining that harbingers are overpowered because I can kill a dozen month old newbs at once in one. |
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
9
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Posted - 2012.02.09 01:00:00 -
[65] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Its like someone complaining that harbingers are overpowered because I can kill a dozen month old newbs at once in one.
We should look into nerfing the harbinger next if thats the case, all these ships are so OP. |
Trinkets friend
Obstergo NEM3SIS.
128
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Posted - 2012.02.09 04:15:00 -
[66] - Quote
This whole thread should be retitled "why I hate T3 booster alts".
Faction dissy + T2 warfare links in a booster loki + skirmish mindlink = 50km point. Easy. 22km faction webs. You get another 40% to AB and MWD speed. Plus a 35% reduction in sig radius if you go that third link. Or, you can take the siege link and get 27.5% to shield stuff. Depends what he wants.
Toss in a blue pill and implants, and yeah, you can see how this guy achieves it. Plus, of course, having a clear game plan.
- web ships die first - neut ships die second - ceptors next - then you go for the prize
If you are fighting a guy named XBOPOHx in a 100MN Tengu and there's a Captain BOPOH in local, and you have a Loki on scan named "not a booster" and you don't do the maths, yeah, prepare to lose your Machariel.
You will also notice he did not do so well vs fleets with ECM. Pencil that in your play books, ladies.
The real issue with the 100MN Tengu is the sig radius. With the speed he is getting from overheated 100MN, and a 35% reduction in sig radius, he is a) traveling faster than missile explosion velocity b) faster than most missiles anyway c) his sig radius is so low that if they do hit, it does SFA.
I don't know you need to nerf these ships. You need to buff people's situational awareness. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu @trinketsfriend on twatter
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Calsys
Monks of War
41
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Posted - 2012.02.09 04:47:00 -
[67] - Quote
Mutnin wrote: btw When did the Machieral whines change to Tengu whines?.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12381665 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12278589
herf machariel! why one ship is so overpowered! ohwai...
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xBOPOHx1
Vice Squad.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 09:51:00 -
[68] - Quote
http://clip2net.com/s/1zC0D |
Dztrgovac
29
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Posted - 2012.02.09 13:17:00 -
[69] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Its like someone complaining that harbingers are overpowered because I can kill a dozen month old newbs at once in one.
Lolno? Just 3 or 4 of month old newbs in frigs or cruisers in nonfail fits with 1 semi decent FC among them will kill your harbi no matter what.
Oversized AB **** otoh you need a very specialized gang to have any chance and 90% of ordinarily but correctly setup gangs can just try run in terror. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
10
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Posted - 2012.02.09 14:24:00 -
[70] - Quote
Excellent post, couldn't agree with this more.
Trinkets friend wrote:This whole thread should be retitled "why I hate T3 booster alts".
Faction dissy + T2 warfare links in a booster loki + skirmish mindlink = 50km point. Easy. 22km faction webs. You get another 40% to AB and MWD speed. Plus a 35% reduction in sig radius if you go that third link. Or, you can take the siege link and get 27.5% to shield stuff. Depends what he wants.
Toss in a blue pill and implants, and yeah, you can see how this guy achieves it. Plus, of course, having a clear game plan.
- web ships die first - neut ships die second - ceptors next - then you go for the prize
If you are fighting a guy named XBOPOHx in a 100MN Tengu and there's a Captain BOPOH in local, and you have a Loki on scan named "not a booster" and you don't do the maths, yeah, prepare to lose your Machariel.
You will also notice he did not do so well vs fleets with ECM. Pencil that in your play books, ladies.
The real issue with the 100MN Tengu is the sig radius. With the speed he is getting from overheated 100MN, and a 35% reduction in sig radius, he is a) traveling faster than missile explosion velocity b) faster than most missiles anyway c) his sig radius is so low that if they do hit, it does SFA.
I don't know you need to nerf these ships. You need to buff people's situational awareness.
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Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
655
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Posted - 2012.02.09 14:38:00 -
[71] - Quote
I like Eve-O forums for their consistency.
"Missiles are rubbish at PVP, train autocannons" (present everywhere) "Nerf Drake! Nerf Tengu! They do all their damage out to huge ranges! You can't shoot them with autocannons!" (present everywhere)
Owait. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
318
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Posted - 2012.02.09 15:16:00 -
[72] - Quote
Dztrgovac wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Its like someone complaining that harbingers are overpowered because I can kill a dozen month old newbs at once in one. Lolno? Just 3 or 4 of month old newbs in frigs or cruisers in nonfail fits with 1 semi decent FC among them will kill your harbi no matter what. Oversized AB **** otoh you need a very specialized gang to have any chance and 90% of ordinarily but correctly setup gangs can just try run in terror. The point. You missed it.
Also newbs are well known for flying properly fit ships and being lead by competent FCs. |
Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
12
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Posted - 2012.02.10 11:48:00 -
[73] - Quote
it just does like 450-500dps max. 2 scimis and few webs and his toast.
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Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
132
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:00:00 -
[74] - Quote
He's using lots of isk and alts so its not that over powered, that said.
A root of a much larger problem is over sized prop mods, same thing that happened to assault frigs on the test server. And that is wrong, most of the new age super tengus taking so little damage and being almost as hard to pin down as super caps. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Joyelle
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:13:00 -
[75] - Quote
HAM 100Mn LEGION will give a tengu a run for its money. |
Joyelle
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:15:00 -
[76] - Quote
xBOPOHx1 wrote:http://clip2net.com/s/1zC0D
My man. When are you gonna release another tengu vid for us fans?
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xBOPOHx1
Vice Squad.
2
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:18:00 -
[77] - Quote
Joyelle wrote:xBOPOHx1 wrote:http://clip2net.com/s/1zC0D My man. When are you gonna release another tengu vid for us fans? I think 4-5 weeks. |
Lord Drokoth
DARKNESS RISING. IMPERIAL LEGI0N
9
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Posted - 2012.02.12 20:08:00 -
[78] - Quote
LOL you lost that bad against a single 100mn AB tengu? Bring the right ships.. Problem Solved.
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Solj RichPopolous
Triple Entente
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:32:00 -
[79] - Quote
As a 100mn loki/legion pilot myself. I say stfu about nerf. These things actually let the game be played to a level where having a bigger fleet of tards doesnt automatically makes u win. there are VERY easy counters to these ships but most people can't think enough to even "pvp" without an FC holding their hand in an already win situation so I wouldn't expect people to realize this.
These ships cost money and take skill to fly. Make a 100mn t3 yourself and go pvp i guarantee an unexperienced nub with a big wallet will die horribly. Its not as simple as approach or click orbit and shoot like what most eve players are accustomed to. It takes actual piloting. |
Stabs McShiv
MINUS4
3
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:31:00 -
[80] - Quote
Just probe out the booster alt it dos not give out a bonus when its bouncing safes for its life that's when you kill the tengu or force it off the field. Or just Leeroy your cookie cutters. Idiots. |
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Diesel47
Sons of Retribution Malice Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:58:00 -
[81] - Quote
look at his tengu fit first then call ships OP:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14997972
Seeing as it cost 4x more than the two machs it killed.... combined.. I doubt the problem here is only the tengu.
That was a great pvp video, shame the music was horrid and the editing nonexistent. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
202
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:06:00 -
[82] - Quote
If there is a problem, it's more to do with warfare links than the Tengu. |
M1k3y Koontz
Taxes Suck Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:09:00 -
[83] - Quote
That tengu linked there is also a fail and its a good thing that it died. Faction nanos = no Lack of resists outside rigs = meh 100mn = still stupid IMO (unless you meet a drake blob, it just hurts your DPS and tank from the need of nanos and ancilary rigs)
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Rei Seiji
Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers.
5
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Posted - 2012.02.25 12:00:00 -
[84] - Quote
So on Youtube, I saw this video with this really overpowered ship... I think it's called the Velator? ...and it killed these other ships, and I totally think it should get nerfed based on this one video! |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
164
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Posted - 2012.02.25 13:27:00 -
[85] - Quote
Tengu is fine.
Lucky for you whiners there are few amazing tengu pilots out there.
Belive me i killed many of these 100mn wanna be guys and it never gets close to working out as well as bopo etc
Unless of course this thread came up because the OP tryed it and failed miserably and is now crying about it.
Tengus are the only good caldari cruiser szied boat and it costs an obsene amount to achive results above expected. |
Jones Bones
Brutor Bike Co. Heretic Nation
29
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Posted - 2012.02.25 14:16:00 -
[86] - Quote
Properly fit 100mn Tengus tend to cost upwards of 2b. I'm sorry you expect to kill it with your Drake. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Nulli Secunda
326
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:01:00 -
[87] - Quote
Actually, you have probably seen OP in quite a few PvP videos.
Unfortunately for him, he's always in the overview. |
Tinu Moorhsum
Royal Scientific Research Enterprise
48
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Posted - 2012.02.27 02:17:00 -
[88] - Quote
Kingzolo wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_c2Q2W09U
Too OP really.
What he's showing you is a bit of a fairytale. It's all snippets of action taken at different times and it's shows lots of "heroic" kills of t1 cruisers and battlecruisers and some damned good piloting.
What he doesn't show you is the ship that he had up his sleeve because he wants you to think that it was all solo action, but it wasn't. There were two in fleet and the other ship was likely a command Loki. Two pimp fit T3's versus some T1 cruisers and Battlecruisers makes for lots of explosions. Looks good for Youtube.
What he also isn't showing you is how many fights he had that ended in stalemates or fights where he had to run after killing the little stuff.
He's also not showing you this: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12117406
Yes, that's his Tengu, killed by a few BC's and various small stuff.
So yeah. the Tengu is a powerful ship and that pilot is pretty darned good with it, but it's far from a "win machine".
T- |
Trinkets friend
Obstergo NEM3SIS.
156
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Posted - 2012.02.27 02:56:00 -
[89] - Quote
Wow, Tinu, what you aren't telling everyone is you read the whole thread, including my poast, and regurgitated it in a slightly different manner and told everyone the bleeding obvious that not every fight ends in victory. You, sir, are a legend. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu @trinketsfriend on twatter
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
158
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Posted - 2012.02.27 05:45:00 -
[90] - Quote
I love how the OP cries that tengu's are OP, and the FW community is like na we kill lots of them
Tengu's really aren't the problem.
For instance,
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15300334
Tengu warps in on top of our moa/gila, gila has no webs, moa has one web. However, the gila had neuts. It began to melt and our dramiel came in to get a 2nd web just incase. It should have had a 2nd t2 ancil rig instead of the missile rig for a 2nd nano but meh. Of course I don't think this tengu was boosted. One tech 1 cruiser and one faction cruiser plus a dramiel, for a total of 1 small neut, 1 medium neut, and two webs were enough to take it down.
Here's another tengu, this one had a much better fit and more isk thrown into it, but we used 100mn tengu to kill a 100mn tengu. The victim had falcon and naga to assist him. This tengu was not boosted either.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15273768
There isn't really a problem with tengus, I think boosters are an issue and should be limited to to being on the same grid, but that's a different discussion. Turning radius on tengu is really big, whoever he is primarying can just burn in the opposite direction once their tank starts to fail, forcing the tengu to either continue burning in the same direction, or be forced to turn around (and lose speed so a gangmate can web him) otherwise they lose out on a kill. People think blobbing and not piloting are the way forward nowdays and would rather scream nerf rather than bring a counter setup or use tactis |
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Tinu Moorhsum
Royal Scientific Research Enterprise
49
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Posted - 2012.02.27 11:09:00 -
[91] - Quote
Trinkets friend wrote:Wow, Tinu, what you aren't telling everyone is you read the whole thread, including my poast, and regurgitated it in a slightly different manner and told everyone the bleeding obvious that not every fight ends in victory. You, sir, are a legend.
I don't know what function it serves to insult other people on forums while hiding behind a fictive avatar. Mate, it's not necessary. Be a good sport and get your PVP in game please.
You're right about one thing. I don't recall reading your post but if you were saying the same thing, it's not too surprising. I can't be the only one that saw the obvious.
T- |
Daphny Naarma
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:11:00 -
[92] - Quote
There is one thing about this discussion that makes it... funny'ish. Post after post, we see (at least in a clear majority) how people - through empirical facts, theorycrafting and what not - try to 'proove' that the Tengu isn't OP and what's 'really' wrong/right/whatever.
What people do 'wrong' in here (incl. OP) is trying to measure inbalance and a disproprotionally skewed demand for a certain ship by it's actual performance. From a game perspective - something rather irrelevant.
Let's put it this way: In fact, the Tengu is easily beaten by two Punishers (one tackles and one... oh well, one tackles). It sometimes self-combust on undocking - destroying it or severely damaging it, for some strange and yet unexplained reason. Price in Jita is about 20b, which seems a bit much for a ship that you risk losing on undock, or being on the red, flashy side of two T1 frigs. Right? Right?
Considering the above being true. At the same time, it is clear that long time vets, (some literally harboring an EVE-life long hate toward missiles), as well as a disproportionally large part of newer/young players in the middle of deciding on race/career/training, decide they really need to train into Tengu to be competitive.
Which of the two arguments above mattters to the game and the great diversity (in a relative sense) CCP has accomplished with EVE? That the Tengu really isn't OP - I SWEAR - my Punisher have 16 KMs solo on Tengus (actually only 13 'true' kills, 3 were into structure from the undocking 'discomfort') - or that a disproportionally large part of the community (especially thinking here of new players who ask "WAT IS GOD SHIP??+") that does indeed populate those skill point branches as we type this?
To me, the second argument beats the first - no contest, even if I made very clear that Tengu is a horrible ship. I am concerned with every jack to diversity because it brings EVE closer to a lot of other MMOs minimizing the differences which are the reasons I do play EVE, and not... one of the other.
Do I want Tengu nerfed? It is not up to me. It doesn't really concern me whether it outputs 600dps at 100km or 5000dps and 1000km because I am not competing for turf or KMs with them atm. However - there is something about the Tengu (regardless of whatever dozens of "proof" of non-OPness listed in here) that is extremely attractive and that DOES influence the coolness of EVE: that there is no "legendary sword". That concerns me.
In practice: Regardless of figures and proof, the aim should be that no ship has such a clear advantage when it comes to attracting players that in the end, a disproportional part of the playerbase fly it. If this is done by nerfing the Tengu, or buffing the other T3s slightly - whatever. Hopefully CCP does something before painting themselves too far into the corner. |
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
17
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:58:00 -
[93] - Quote
I would hope that CCP wouldn't just change something because people like it, even when there are a number of other ships that do what it does just as well if not better. |
James Amril-Kesh
Interstellar Faction 21
37
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:48:00 -
[94] - Quote
You never hear people say "Legion is the best t3" or "Proteus is the best t3". You might occasionally hear people say that the Loki is the best, but by far if you ask people which t3 is the best, they'll tell you it's the Tengu.
I didn't give in to the hype, and so being an Amarr player who trains primarily Amarr ships I went for the Legion. And while yeah the Legion is a nice ship, it doesn't have the DPS, the tank, or the range of the Tengu. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Joyelle
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:15:00 -
[95] - Quote
Kingzolo wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_c2Q2W09U
Too OP really. I'll tell you why 100MN HAM legion also needs a nerf as well as a lot of other ships. linky
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Darvaleth Sigma
Draconis Coalition
0
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:32:00 -
[96] - Quote
Who's willing to bet the OP was one of the people who got floored by the Tengu in that video...
You shouldn't just nerf ships because they beat you. Don't get mad, get even. |
Rindon Callsar
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.25 04:37:00 -
[97] - Quote
Gempei wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Or just buff the other T3s. this, others T3s need some love
I agree completely. Nerfing is usually never the answer. Buffing the other ships in the same class to be on par is the best thing for everyone. As it stands now the Tengu is the "I can do just about everything in the game well" ship, while the other t3 are semi-good to decent in one or two aspects.
That being said, it is going to be very interesting to see what changes are going to be brought to all ships in general with the Inferno expansion. I am excited and scared at the same time since it could entirely change the way some ships are designed to work.
Too bad all ships aren't like t3's in the area of being able to "build" what you want with the subsystems. How awesome would that be to pick and choose for every class of ship. Would bottle the mind! |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
61
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Posted - 2012.03.25 13:23:00 -
[98] - Quote
Trinkets friend wrote:This whole thread should be retitled "why I hate T3 booster alts".
Faction dissy + T2 warfare links in a booster loki + skirmish mindlink = 50km point. Easy. 22km faction webs. You get another 40% to AB and MWD speed. Plus a 35% reduction in sig radius if you go that third link. Or, you can take the siege link and get 27.5% to shield stuff. Depends what he wants.
Toss in a blue pill and implants, and yeah, you can see how this guy achieves it. Plus, of course, having a clear game plan.
- web ships die first - neut ships die second - ceptors next - then you go for the prize
If you are fighting a guy named XBOPOHx in a 100MN Tengu and there's a Captain BOPOH in local, and you have a Loki on scan named "not a booster" and you don't do the maths, yeah, prepare to lose your Machariel.
You will also notice he did not do so well vs fleets with ECM. Pencil that in your play books, ladies.
The real issue with the 100MN Tengu is the sig radius. With the speed he is getting from overheated 100MN, and a 35% reduction in sig radius, he is a) traveling faster than missile explosion velocity b) faster than most missiles anyway c) his sig radius is so low that if they do hit, it does SFA.
I don't know you need to nerf these ships. You need to buff people's situational awareness.
Nerfing off-grid boosters would solve a lot of this booster-alt sillyness. It made dual-boxing 'solo' fighting pretty much the norm. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Kat Bandeis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.03.25 14:42:00 -
[99] - Quote
I don't see a problem here. Was OP one of those spanked mercilessly?
Lrn2Fly Tengu and you can start succeeding like those in the video. Don't whine about a ship being overpowered with it's the player behind the keyboard that's got the issues. |
Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.25 18:07:00 -
[100] - Quote
Kingzolo wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_c2Q2W09U
Too OP really.
Best Eve vid I've seen in ages. Great music, and 1(player, if not ship) vs many which is always a great subject.
Mad props to this boppo guy for the vid ;) |
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