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Blitz'Krieg
Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:16:00 -
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I have to lol at these "BoB is already dead" posts that are around, especially from the people who have been on the end of "there are no goons" but its looking kinda inevitable that BoB may be forced into the npc station and possibly empire. Regardless of wether you think thats true or not ... what would you do in their situation?
What interests me is if it would be in BoB's interest to stand and fight. Why not quitly withdraw, they dont need 0.0 to make a very good living and with their four (five?) titan's could effectivelly be anywhere in eve inside of an hour with a huge capital fleet so why stick to one region?
The only way BoB (or goons for that matter) could be killed is from within so to me the current climate is only going to make them stronger as a unit rather than break them up. If you really wanted to destroy BoB you would give them a reason to break up.
Perhaps offer finfleet amnesty from future action if they pulled out (they did join late in the game)?
ATM I think all of the corps in BoB know even if the alliance split up they would be hunted as corps. Add to that the reluctance of none affiliates to hire bobbits for fear of spy's and it makes you harder rather than softer the more you are pushed.
Anyways, what I would do personally ..
1) Move most of the alliance assets to empire 2) Leave a harrying force that would inflict maximum damage for minimum losses to make them pay for the space 3) send out a few trusted members to infiltrate future targets, do this as if they were leaving because they dont like bob etc 4) Use guerilla hotdrop's and raids to take out obvious industrial targets of their enemies.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:19:00 -
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I hear that POTBS is nice for disillusioned angry emo kids whose world is coming down around them...
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Zell
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Zell on 18/12/2007 13:29:34
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke I hear that POTBS is nice for disillusioned angry emo kids whose world is coming down around them...
Coming from a disillusioned angry emo kid who knows....
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:29:00 -
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You're all jumping to conclusions.
You have to shoot the animal before you can eat it. -
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zell
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke I hear that POTBS is nice for disillusioned angry emo kids whose world is coming down around them...
Coming from a for disillusioned angry emo kid who knows....
"I know you are, but what am I?" went out in the 80's along with "Yo momma" jokes.
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Sakura San
X - Beyond the Frontier
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:33:00 -
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being an outsider, i still think you don't "get" BOB. i am pretty sure that it is way more than an ingame alliance.
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Lazuran
Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr You're all jumping to conclusions.
You have to shoot the animal before you can eat it.
Wouldn't you rather be in MC in your Aeon now btw.? :)
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Zell
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke
Originally by: Zell
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke I hear that POTBS is nice for disillusioned angry emo kids whose world is coming down around them...
Coming from a for disillusioned angry emo kid who knows....
"I know you are, but what am I?" went out in the 80's along with "Yo momma" jokes.
Im just saying...
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr You're all jumping to conclusions.
You have to shoot the animal before you can eat it.
Wouldn't you rather be in MC in your Aeon now btw.? :)
Both are target rich environments with plenty of opportunity to lose carriers like an emo lemming. -
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:37:00 -
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Over the past year or so i've come to the conclusion that both bob and goons are the same person who is sitting in a scyscraper somewhere giggling like a little girl with alot of pc screens staring at him and a 5000$/month bill from CCP.
'For the lulz'
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ISD Valorem
Amarr ISD STAR
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:41:00 -
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Please stay on topic.
Do not troll/spam/flame. Failure to comply will result in a warning.
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Jimi Tetro
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:03:00 -
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Cvuos
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:06:00 -
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1. No major alliance has survived losing all their space and remaining in their past form.
2. There is no such thing as a supercap fleet based out of NPC stations and empire.
3. Dying takes time. There is no dramatic final blow. There is a push to a brink, then it crumbles from the inside with absent directors, smaller fleets, quiet desertion, internal drama and the usual excuses of "didn't want that 0.0 anyway", "pos wars are boring", "now we are truly free".
LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore. This isn't true for all of BoB but for lots of it, particularly the recent individual joiners who consider(ed) it the end-game. The time from the beginning of the LV campaign to the end of organized resistance wasn't very long, but it took more than twice that time before it was really over.
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr You're all jumping to conclusions.
You have to shoot the animal before you can eat it.
You have to drown a cow before it can float! *snip* Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem |
Blitz'Krieg
Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cvuos 1. No major alliance has survived losing all their space and remaining in their past form.
2. There is no such thing as a supercap fleet based out of NPC stations and empire.
3. Dying takes time. There is no dramatic final blow. There is a push to a brink, then it crumbles from the inside with absent directors, smaller fleets, quiet desertion, internal drama and the usual excuses of "didn't want that 0.0 anyway", "pos wars are boring", "now we are truly free".
LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore. This isn't true for all of BoB but for lots of it, particularly the recent individual joiners who consider(ed) it the end-game. The time from the beginning of the LV campaign to the end of organized resistance wasn't very long, but it took more than twice that time before it was really over.
goons lost all their space, their ships and the pos' and came back twice as strong. the thing that kept the goons together was something awful, the thing that will keep bob together will be that noone else dare take them. that is the point.
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sheis
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:20:00 -
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BoB wont die it will just wither away to nothing. The accounts of the main bobins will be sold or let to rot as their owners purchase accounts that wont get them hunted down.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Blitz'Krieg the thing that will keep bob together will be that noone else dare take them. that is the point.
I think you overestimate the common sense of the average corp. Most will see "capital pilot" on the app and their eyes glaze over.
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura San being an outsider, i still think you don't "get" BOB. i am pretty sure that it is way more than an ingame alliance.
i saw what you did there.
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 18/12/2007 14:38:04
Originally by: Cvuos
LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore.
I been there when Velios came on crossroad with left turn for PvP life or right turn for picking up flowers in his guarden. He didnt take left turn. Thats the difference between many others and BoB. And after all this time ppl dont get it still. Anybody esle, ANYBODY else that would be in our shoes would already see many members not loging on, or leaving corps and alliances. Maybe one day, after many glasses of milk, you might realize what benefit some, and others not
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Brunn Leinbach
Owl Trading
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:39:00 -
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Well I haven't seen dramatic movement on the sovereignty's map compared to the dramatic events on this forum section of the past couple of days. What is becoming apparent is that BOB has become the pariah of the eve community, a tittle that GS has claimed for a while
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fell1234
Heracles.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: fell1234 on 18/12/2007 14:40:49
Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 18/12/2007 14:38:04
Originally by: Cvuos
LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore.
I been there when Velios came on crossroad with left turn for PvP life or right turn for picking up flowers in his guarden. He didnt take left turn. Thats the difference between many others and BoB. And after all this time ppl dont get it still. Anybody esle, ANYBODY else that would be in our shoes would already see many members not loging on, or leaving corps and alliances. Maybe one day, after many glasses of milk, you might realize what benefit some, and others not
Wait RISE/MPIRE/D-L/MC dont count or something?
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thoth foc
Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:42:00 -
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Tradition dictates, that the exit strategy should be - "exit stage left"
Last time i tried to leave ATUK, i was flying in a circle for a week before i had to give it up as a bad plan :o(
_________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: fell1234 Edited by: fell1234 on 18/12/2007 14:40:49
Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 18/12/2007 14:38:04
Originally by: Cvuos
LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore.
I been there when Velios came on crossroad with left turn for PvP life or right turn for picking up flowers in his guarden. He didnt take left turn. Thats the difference between many others and BoB. And after all this time ppl dont get it still. Anybody esle, ANYBODY else that would be in our shoes would already see many members not loging on, or leaving corps and alliances. Maybe one day, after many glasses of milk, you might realize what benefit some, and others not
Wait RISE/MPIRE/D-L/MC dont count or something?
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr You're all jumping to conclusions.
You have to shoot the animal before you can eat it.
You have to drown a cow before it can float!
We shouldn't try to get old cows out of the gutter. -
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Nero Winger
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Blitz'Krieg
1) Move most of the alliance assets to empire
only bits and bytes
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Muro Deez
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Hopy What most of the people here dont get is that even if BoB is pushed out from their current territory it still took a very large force to do so. BoB is still, even after this, capable of taking any alliance in the game 1vs1 and claiming their space very quickly. Then the only thing that can be done to stop this is to bring the same huge blob of alliances to attack them again.. I dont know, but to me that sounds like alot of work and not particularily fun.
What i'd like to see would be BoB utilizing their superiour capital fleet and basing from npc space striking strategic targets, destroying them and leaving them in ruins before moving to a new target again.
without having to hold space they will be liberated and free because they don't need space, they just need each other
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Psorion
The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:34:00 -
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^ nice post
/me [gets popcorn]
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shayleigh Snowflower Besides, BOB have they're money making alts in corps like RISE and D-L, that again pay rent to they're alts. In the last months they did bloat the numbers in the main alliance to show strength, but still, they don't have all that much left in they're stations in Delve.
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Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Hopy What most of the people here dont get is that even if BoB is pushed out from their current territory it still took a very large force to do so.
Bob can't be beaten, they can only beat themselves!
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Hector Dirtfarmer
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:37:00 -
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Spam removed. Please stay on topic - Valorem
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