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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.22 22:48:00 -
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As the topic says, I am being forced to liquidate this due to changed in RL. Not realy wanting to go into it at depth, but in the long run my Eve time will be reduced to a few hours on Fridays.
In essence I am more or less quitting Eve for the forseeable future, perhaps a year to 6 month break due to this. Over the next few day's I will satrt offlining and removing the towers to hisec for sale then reimbursing for investors. I have been spending a considerable amount of time online because of this and it is hindering me in real life, so my choices have become play a business runner or sort out my much more serious RL problems. In essence, thankyou for trusting me and investing in me - I am sorry that I could not continue this project through to the end and that I have had to do this.
Kind of harder than I thought it would be to write this, I have become quite attached to the project, though I will still be on the forums to do what I normaly do. After this is liquidated I plan on buying a few HAC bpc with my remaining isk and build them to sell, comming online every 2 weeks or so to sell as I train long skill and ultimatly come back - eventualy.
Kirjava out.
~Nyron
Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
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Sebastian Draconis
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.22 23:21:00 -
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good luck
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.22 23:22:00 -
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Sorry to hear about the decrease in time, bravo on carrying through with the decision to liquidate. Hope all goes well on this effort.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.22 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx Sorry to hear about the decrease in time, bravo on carrying through with the decision to liquidate. Hope all goes well on this effort.
Only problems I can see are trying to find a buyer/buyers for 12 Large towers, 6 Large Reactors 12 Medium Reactors and around 70 silos Currently emptying all the silos and taking a few from each tower in to the station before I call it a night though - thanks for the support
~Nyron
Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.23 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Treelox on 23/12/2007 00:30:51 I might be intrested in some of the POS stuff, would you mind either evemailing, sending me a pm via ebanks forum or trying to catch me online for the specifics.
If i am intrested we can work something out where i sell back the stock i have in the corp plus isk for some of this stuff.
Anyways get ahold of me as your able.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.12.23 01:23:00 -
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I'm sorry to here that. I hope you get things straightened out quickly as you'll be missed around here.
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NeoTrade
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Posted - 2007.12.23 02:48:00 -
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Hi Kirjava,
I am sorry to hear you are leaving. Whilst I did not own any other those shares - I am interested in your POS stuff.
I've just sent you an eve-mail.
Good luck, Neo.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.23 05:04:00 -
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What are the chances of someone buying up the whole operation fully set up?
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.12.23 09:18:00 -
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I'm confused, does this mean you won't be needing the fuel you ordered then? Please let me know as I've already shifted some fuel and it's not the easiest thing to move that amount of fuel to low sec systems.
Amarr Citizen 155
POS Fuel Delivery Service
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.23 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I'm confused, does this mean you won't be needing the fuel you ordered then? Please let me know as I've already shifted some fuel and it's not the easiest thing to move that amount of fuel to low sec systems.
Amarr Citizen 155
POS Fuel Delivery Service
Eep - I knew there was something I forgot last night I'm sorry, no I don't need it anymore, I will of course pay the delivery fee for what you have brought in so far - my aplologies
~Nyron
Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.23 21:36:00 -
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Now beyond ticked off - I was at the festivals for Christmas and came back to mails telling me my towers are under attack. I came back and looked around, towers are still there. However that is all that is there towers. I was moving the towers back to station - takes 2 hours to unanchor. I came back to scoop them up and found a gank squad sitting waiting for me. I can't even find the killmail for my ship and pod to say who they were.
Game Over. I hate griefers with a passion, I hope you enjoy your spoils.
~Nyron
Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.23 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kirjava on 23/12/2007 21:40:19 Found the killmails after someone in local told me how after I ranted in my highsec base after podding.
2007.12.23 21:24:00
Victim: Kirjava Alliance: Zzz Corp: Lothian Quay Industries Destroyed: Capsule System: #### Security: 0.3 Damage Taken: 431
Involved parties:
Name: Parsias (laid the final blow) Security: -0.6 Alliance: NONE Corp: Einherjar Rising Ship: Ishtar Weapon: Garde II Damage Done: 431
2007.12.23 21:22:00
Victim: Kirjava Alliance: Zzz Corp: Lothian Quay Industries Destroyed: Badger Mark II System: #### Security: 0.3 Damage Taken: 2394
Involved parties:
Name: Schrade (laid the final blow) Security: 1.7 Alliance: NONE Corp: Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Ship: Absolution Weapon: Heavy Beam Laser II Damage Done: 1150
Name: Mungkee Security: -2.1 Alliance: NONE Corp: Einherjar Rising Ship: Astarte Weapon: Heavy Neutron Blaster II Damage Done: 981
Name: Parsias Security: 0.7 Alliance: NONE Corp: Einherjar Rising Ship: Ishtar Weapon: Ishtar Damage Done: 263
Destroyed items:
Oxygen Isotopes, Qty: 3000 (Cargo) Coolant, Qty: 60 (Cargo) Expanded Cargohold I, Qty: 2
Dropped items:
Mechanical Parts, Qty: 839 (Cargo) Oxygen, Qty: 419 (Cargo)
~Nyron
Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.24 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ricdic on 24/12/2007 01:06:02 Edited by: Ricdic on 24/12/2007 01:02:08 so, you had the full corporate value sitting in a badger mk2?
This business was a train wreck, one problem after another. Shows what happens when businesses run with lowsec/0.0 in mind.
Regarding that killmail, there can't have been more than maybe 2 scramblers in that group so my questions are:
1) Why no WCS? 2) Why no align to warp modules etc 3) Why not use a proper transport ship
And you know what's even sadder to top it off. You put a crapload of valuable stuff in a badger Mk2 that DOESN'T even have anything fitted on it. Nothing in any of the slots.
Like really, I am so disapointed when I see crap like this. It's one of the reasons I am not as friendly towards new IPO holders. They either don't value the money because they didn't earn it, or they are young and don't know how to handle that amount of money (or they make really stupid mistakes).
I had a go at Feyloan about it, carrying freighter bpo's in a shuttle. But he made one mistake. Kirjava you lost a freighter to start with and didn't know if it was in highsec or lowsec. Like CMON!. Now your posting suggests everything is lost when using a completely unfitted Badger MK2.
Well, a Control Tower is about 10k m3 so theres no way you lost the other 15 towers. I have your API details so I will be digging into them to find out WTF is going on here. I suggest you write up a detailed report stating exactly what you have left, the value of the loss etc.
If this isn't a scam business it may as well be. Every time I see someone do something really stupid I wonder if I could see anything worse. Anyway I always do. The sad thing, is that people invest in you, they trust you with their money. You may as well crap on their graves, your management of that money shows how much you value it.
Sorry if it sounds harsh but I am p#@ssed off (and I don't know if I am an investor)
edit: And why do you say "Game Over"
The killmail shows a loss of maybe 10 million isk max. Wheres the rest?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.24 03:02:00 -
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I don't understand the defeatist attitude from Kirjava, at worst this sounds like it was a 600 mil isk loss...
I don't understand Ricdic's post because he mentions having tons of valuable stuff in the badger but I see nothing of value in the badger...
So I'm confused.
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.12.24 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle I don't understand the defeatist attitude from Kirjava, at worst this sounds like it was a 600 mil isk loss...
I don't understand Ricdic's post because he mentions having tons of valuable stuff in the badger but I see nothing of value in the badger...
So I'm confused.
Yeh I put the post up before focusing on the destroyed items. I couldn't figure out why Kirjava would suggest "Game Over" if he only lost a t1 industrial with a small amount of crap in it.
Why would he say Game Over if he only lost 10m worth of stuff. Either way the explanation the OP gave is far from satisfactory. If he lost 10-12b worth of investor funds he should be damned clear about it. Not clarifying the situation is as good as a scam in my book.
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.12.24 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava Now beyond ticked off - I was at the festivals for Christmas and came back to mails telling me my towers are under attack. I came back and looked around, towers are still there. However that is all that is there towers.
Ok, so your towers were under attack. Towers were still there but modules were gone. If I understand POS mechanics right, this could only happen if the tower was offline. The newer patch iirc allows anyone to unanchor offline items and take them. However, if the tower was offline why then wouldn't the people stealing it all take the towers too? And why were the towers offlined? Offline indicates that
a) They ran out of fuel b) They had no reinforcements (stronthium)
Both are unacceptable.
Quote: I was moving the towers back to station - takes 2 hours to unanchor.
Does it really take 2 hours to unanchor? Last I checked it took 30 minutes. Maybe that has changed though I could have sworn it was 30 minutes.
Quote: Game Over.
So what? Is EVERYTHING gone? You are saying that 16 towers had insufficient fuel or no reinforcements? Or your festivals went for long enough to allow the attackers to destroy 16 LARGE CONTROL TOWERS? How big would the attacking force need to be to destroy 16 towers whilst you were away for a few hours (or even within a 24 hour period?)
The corps on your killmail are: Einherjar Rising Multiversal Enterprise Inc
The 3 ships listed there are nothing more than t2 cruiser/command ships. Would that suggest that 3 cruiser class ships caused 16 towers to be offlined over a few hours as well as managed to unanchor and steal what? 50 items over the span of 16 different mooons in one or more systems?
Quote: I hate griefers with a passion, I hope you enjoy your spoils.
I hate the lack of clarity. A loss is one thing, failure to accurately report on that loss is unacceptable. I think we definetly need some questions answered regarding this situation. How many people were in the gank squad? Can you provide some of the evemails that show tower under attack (as I believe they show who the attacking partie/s are)?
Much like your incident with the freighter loss where you 'deleted' a freighter pilot because you lost the freighter so you couldn't check the logs and stated you were in highsec when you were actually in lowsec (proven by your attackers), this just reeks of a coverup. Please clarify the situation. I can accept incompetence more than I can accept lies and offloading blame.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.24 03:40:00 -
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It seems pretty obvious he wasn't trying to scam since he just payed out a div the other day, he wouldn't do that if it was his intention to scam.
I have hopes he said it out of frustration. It seems way too early to write this one off. I can't argue it was rather stupid to lose that freighter initially, tho this one seems a little harder to stop.
I imagine he lost the tower that he was unanchoring, I'm hoping that was all...
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.24 03:43:00 -
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I'm not saying this doesn't look extremely fishy... just saying it is a bit early to be going doom and gloom. I am mr. doom and gloom and even I am not there yet
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.12.24 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle I'm not saying this doesn't look extremely fishy... just saying it is a bit early to be going doom and gloom. I am mr. doom and gloom and even I am not there yet
Game Over is pretty definitive to me Maybe we need a thread to determine the definition
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.24 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe
Originally by: Shadarle I'm not saying this doesn't look extremely fishy... just saying it is a bit early to be going doom and gloom. I am mr. doom and gloom and even I am not there yet
Game Over is pretty definitive to me Maybe we need a thread to determine the definition
I read that as disgust. I've used similar terms myself in past games when ****ed off and corp mates have said the same thing when doing stupid stuff. None of us ever quit after saying it.
Perhaps this is indeed "game over" for him, but I'm hoping he was just disgusted and angry and will be back tomorrow after sleeping on it and will clarify what is going on.
I honestly didn't think this was the end of the world when I read his post, at least not like you did. But perhaps you're right and in this case I'm too naive, we'll see I guess. I really got the impression Kirjava was a good guy from my limited readings of his posts, but I've been wrong before (Once, 10 years ago or so, when I was drunk high and half asleep).
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.12.24 04:20:00 -
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Yeh I reckon he's a good guy too, or thought this back when I chatted with him about his business plan before he started. But this operation has been a train wreck from the start. Investors shouldn't be forced to try and understand wtf is going on with their money. It should be clearly defined.
I hope for all investors sake that Game Over wasn't a statement of closure. We will soon find out.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.12.24 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I'm confused, does this mean you won't be needing the fuel you ordered then? Please let me know as I've already shifted some fuel and it's not the easiest thing to move that amount of fuel to low sec systems.
Amarr Citizen 155
POS Fuel Delivery Service
Eep - I knew there was something I forgot last night I'm sorry, no I don't need it anymore, I will of course pay the delivery fee for what you have brought in so far - my aplologies
Just forget the delivery fee as it looks as though you are having lots of problems. I'll just write this one off.
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.12.24 04:37:00 -
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Ricdic I think you are being a bit harsh.
I think you guys need to cool it with this scam talk until the OP comes back.
He is obviously pretty ****ed he got ganked. He is likely taking a break and not reading these forums. (which is what I would be doing)
relax.
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.12.24 04:49:00 -
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I can accept that. Either way I do want clarity if nothing else
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.24 09:03:00 -
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To clarify, I was ganked at my own POS warp point where I was going to pickup the unanchored POS. I have my bookmark, I used a cheap Badger that time because I lost my Bustard the other day and it was all I had to hand. I hit warp to within 0m on my bookmark for the tower, and find a gank squad waiting at that warpin point, not at a station or a gate. I say game over - because right now I can't even bring myself to login. And I looked over it, some of the towers still have stongt in them and they still have silos - I had a 24 hour supply but this seems to have been nerfed to 12. I had to empty fuel to offline the POS, so either they scooped the unanchored tower before I arrived to scoop. Okay it has been a trainwreck, I can see that aswell and I am glad I am just getting ****ed off about a computer game and not RL.
~Nyron
Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.24 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava I had a 24 hour supply but this seems to have been nerfed to 12.
As per patch notes, stront consumption was doubled.
Originally by: patch notes build 45000 dec5th The consumption rate of Strontium Clathrates has been doubled for control towers in reinforced mode, which leads to the maximum reinforced times being halved to up to 2.5 days with all sovereignty bonuses (around 1.5 days with no bonuses).
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while i havent screamed "SCAM", you are either a scam or very very inept. The newbie mistakes that you have made through this whole venture makes me cringe.
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.12.24 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava Edited by: Kirjava on 24/12/2007 09:11:14 To clarify, I was ganked at my own POS warp point where I was going to pickup the unanchored POS. I have my bookmark, I used a cheap Badger that time because I lost my Bustard the other day and it was all I had to hand. I hit warp to within 0m on my bookmark for the tower, and find a gank squad waiting at that warpin point, not at a station or a gate.
I can accept that. That clarifies the loss of one tower. How were the modules taken?
Quote: I say game over - because right now I can't even bring myself to login.
I know I have sounded rude in here, but tbh you need to suck it up. You are a good bloke, you have morals. It's your investors who put their trust in you. As CEO of a public corporation you put yourself into this position. You have seen what is expected of public corps and at this point we haven't demanded much of you except to clarify when things go wrong. Right now people are wondering if their trust was misplaced, as you don't feel like logging into the game to finish something you started. You really need to get past it (I know, i've been there) and look at it as you letting down 10's of other people if you fail to finalise the situation.
Quote: And I looked over it, some of the towers still have stongt in them and they still have silos - I had a 24 hour supply but this seems to have been nerfed to 12.
Probably not one of the things that should be clarified. Anyway right now you should at least be trying to salvage all the modules/final supplies etc that you can. Check up on that gank squad, make sure they are offline or at least out of system. Use an alt if need be and point your main to jita or somesuch.
Quote: I had to empty fuel to offline the POS, so either they scooped the unanchored tower before I arrived to scoop.
It's not possible to offline and unanchor modules if the POS is offline (or at least last time I checked). If that has changed you should (for the remaining towers) make sure to get the modules offlined and unanchored whilst the shields are up to avoid extra theft.
Quote: And Ric - seriously when I am considering just quitting Eve permanently and this is a liquidation because I am effectivly quitting Eve. Why are you screaming scam at me when I won't even be in the damned game soon?
I didn't call scam, I said all those mistakes basically ends up at the same point (not so bad now that I know Game Over didn't mean everything was lost)
Quote: why am I even caring to sort this out instead of dropping everything?
Thats something you need to ask yourself. I would always suggest you put RL before Eve but with your position comes responsibility. Thus far you haven't packed it in and I hope you don't.
On a more personal note. I don't push you and post this stuff to try and make you feel bad. I do it because I have high expectations of you. Unfortunately it does mean you cop a bit of flak from me but it really is because I was gunning for you to succeed, and expected you to take up a large name on these boards over time. This may very well still happen and your actions thus far and from here on in will craft you in whichever direction you push them. If you check out the Feyloan thread I absolutely blasted him for the shuttle incident for the exact same reason.
I want people to succeed. When I see fantastic business plans and down to earth guys I push them. I probably push too much but I really do have the best intentions at heart.
Sorry for the hostility but either way have a great Xmas.
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Nizomi
Caldari Technopolis Ventures
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Posted - 2007.12.25 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe
It's not possible to offline and unanchor modules if the POS is offline (or at least last time I checked). If that has changed you should (for the remaining towers) make sure to get the modules offlined and unanchored whilst the shields are up to avoid extra theft.
I think there has been some changes to pos mechanics with the trinity patch. My pos forcefield went offline (even when it had a password) and two of my advanced labs were killed. (I got them reimbursed) And a third lab was missing too and there was no killmail for it and the GM said that it was stolen?? Stolen from an online tower? I dont know what's goign on with posses
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.25 20:44:00 -
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You still around Kirjava? I hope you didn't just run away... I really did have high hopes for you based on your posting history here.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.25 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Treelox on 25/12/2007 22:18:07
Originally by: Shadarle You still around Kirjava? I hope you didn't just run away... I really did have high hopes for you based on your posting history here.
Well he was still active on the forums 29hrs after his last post in this thread, and 6hrs before your post. While his adventures with POS may have put him off of the game, as was hinted in his previous post above, he has still found time to ***** it up in a bit in GD and Out of Pod.
Not reading anything into that atm, just putting it up here for informational purposes.
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