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Daye Etison
Caldari Merchants Trade Consortium PROBABLE CAUSE
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Posted - 2007.12.24 07:50:00 -
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Hi guys I am not sure this is the correct forum to put this in but in real life I am a Certified Web Develop/Designer and I was thinking of opening a corp to offer web design services to the community were I would only take payments in the form of ISK. I know I got no history in the forum or anything but I was wondering if you guys had an idea if a project like this would get of the ground?
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Assens Letta
Hunerian Science Institute Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.12.24 07:54:00 -
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offering a servide with detailed list of things you can do would certainly help, as far as being an IPO, i think its not worth it, you do not need isk to invest in that busniess (good business i think which as its merits) and that ebats the purpose of an IPO (u would be giving isk away to ppl where the only tool you need is your time and no eve assets at all)
i think there have been some sort of similar business of that kind before, you should take a look at griefwatch, they run a Killbaord that can be rented by corps and alliances. |
Assens Letta
Hunerian Science Institute Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.12.24 07:55:00 -
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oh... and ofc.... \o/ 1st at a post ever :D |
EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2007.12.24 07:56:00 -
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Yeh I agree with Assens.
I see no reason for it to be an IPO, just a public service. If you want advertising with EBANK feel free to check out our forums by clicking the link in my sig for costs etc.
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Daye Etison
Caldari Merchants Trade Consortium PROBABLE CAUSE
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Posted - 2007.12.24 08:01:00 -
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Well I mentioned a type of IPO of sorts due to not knowing how to title tihs. You want me to tell you what I can do well I can do the following.
Web Hosting (both eve-online and private) Domain Hosting Mail Service POS Tracker, KillBoards, Mining Buddy, and Market Tycoon (i think it is called, plan to develop that since it became GPL) Subdomain Hosting Jabber Server Hosting a couple of other things I have not read in detail that my server can do will be posted more formaly later this post was just to see if there was still a market for something like this. I can also do permanent file storage "forever" as in a permanent link.
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Assens Letta
Hunerian Science Institute Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.12.24 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Yeh I agree with Assens.
I see no reason for it to be an IPO, just a public service. If you want advertising with EBANK feel free to check out our forums by clicking the link in my sig for costs etc.
do you ever waste a chance to advertize your services ? jesus....
PS- sry to the OP for the out of context post
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Daye Etison
Caldari Merchants Trade Consortium PROBABLE CAUSE
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Posted - 2007.12.24 08:10:00 -
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NP he did remind me of EBANK's service and also gave me an idea to do something similar as well when my project gets of the ground.
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Kara Rhane
Gallente Rhane's Research and Development Labs.
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Posted - 2007.12.24 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Assens Letta
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Yeh I agree with Assens.
I see no reason for it to be an IPO, just a public service. If you want advertising with EBANK feel free to check out our forums by clicking the link in my sig for costs etc.
do you ever waste a chance to advertize your services ? jesus....
PS- sry to the OP for the out of context post
The best people do what they can to fill your mind with their service, product and/or idea. Riddic does his through shameless self promotion (:)) J/k, he's proud of what they've built and it helps alot of people out.
Others have a sales thread in the sales section where they "Bump" every day and hope to get a hit.
Some (like me) ask our clients if they wouldn't mind posting how their experience went, what they thought and if they think there's anything that should be done differentlty.
Lastly you could always go for the lame link to your service in your sig.
Oh wait... ***** Rhane's Research and Development LabsÖ
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Daye Etison
Caldari Merchants Trade Consortium PROBABLE CAUSE
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Posted - 2007.12.24 08:15:00 -
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LOL, I will as soon as my project gets rolling and I know I got at least 2-5 clients interested.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.24 08:17:00 -
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Actually Daye, it has been done before. I cant give you specifics cause I never looked into it.
I remeber seeing in the Sell Orders part of the forums at different times, web "services" for hire using isk. I dont know if they were succesful or not, and I honestly cant tell you exactly what service they offered.
Please dont let this discourge you. I say go for it, do your thing.
I do know that just in casual conversation with others over the years that I have been here, the biggest concern that we could come up concerning such a business idea. Is trust. It takes a big ammount of faith and trust to have someone who is not even a memeber of your corp have root access to your forums, ts, kb, etc. etc.
Please dont take this as me saying, "OMG Daye is going to steal all your secrets!!11!!", but this will be the biggest hurdle that you have to overcome. This game is what it is, and metagaming for intel on an opponent happens all the time, so your potential client base will be most likely very wary of your services.
That said, maybe a way to work around this would be to cultivate newer to the game, less jaded players and grow your service with their growth in eve. As they become bigger and more skilled in the game, so do your services and your presence.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.24 08:20:00 -
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id still change that thread title, keep it simple, something like;
"Service Idea, feedback wanted" --
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Daye Etison
Caldari Merchants Trade Consortium PROBABLE CAUSE
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Posted - 2007.12.24 08:24:00 -
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Tree, I see your point and I thought about it as well, I think I can create "sub accounts" were I can over ride as System Admin but clients can "lock down" their section of the server with a password after i give them a defult password their for they manage their own domain and site information or allow me to manage parts of it on a need basis. I think my server has this ability need to verify this but this might help insure a higher level of privacy and security for clients. Please keep the questions and ideas coming they are very helpful.
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Daye Etison
Caldari Merchants Trade Consortium PROBABLE CAUSE
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Posted - 2007.12.27 06:38:00 -
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ok guys I have checked with my web server and I can set a privacy mode so only the individuals with administrative rights for that subdomain or domain can see the files that are being hosted. I as the system admin can over write anything since I am the owner of the host I want your advice on what "fair" hosting price for a personal, player; corporation, and alliance level should be for the basic set up and hosting.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.27 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Daye Etison I want your advice on what "fair" hosting price for a personal, player; corporation, and alliance level should be for the basic set up and hosting.
I have no idea what is "fair", but you might start at looking what such a service would cost in your own local currency, and then use that figure and see how many GTC is would purchase, then take the average of what a GTC sells for in ISK. This will give you a baseline to ponder while others get back to with their concept of "fair". --
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Daye Etison
Caldari Merchants Trade Consortium PROBABLE CAUSE
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Posted - 2007.12.27 07:09:00 -
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I am looking at rough plans as follows:
Personal Plan 100 MB Web Space Privacy Mode Activated 50M ISK/Month
Corporate Plan 500 MB Web Space Privacy Mode Activated Killboards Hosting POS Tracker Hosting Mining Buddy Hosting Forum Hosting 250M ISK/Month
Alliance Plan 1000 MB Web Space Same as Corporate Plan 1B ISK/Month
please note any services that you think should be included in each of the types of plans i have roughly outlined here for you.
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Coconut Joe
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.12.27 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Daye Etison I am looking at rough plans as follows:
Personal Plan 100 MB Web Space Privacy Mode Activated 50M ISK/Month
Corporate Plan 500 MB Web Space Privacy Mode Activated Killboards Hosting POS Tracker Hosting Mining Buddy Hosting Forum Hosting 250M ISK/Month
Alliance Plan 1000 MB Web Space Same as Corporate Plan 1B ISK/Month
please note any services that you think should be included in each of the types of plans i have roughly outlined here for you.
Have you considered researching your competitors? Unfortunately for you, there is at least half a dozen other people offering this service, and it is highly competitive, one of them even offers their service for free. You're going to need to make your business different to everyone else's if you want to charge those rates. Check out the 'want to sell' forum to see what others are offering. - Eve IGB Store Template - The complete eve retail solution. |
Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2007.12.27 12:48:00 -
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In your initial post you talk about a web design service instead of a web hosting solution. I personally feel that web-hosting for isk has been done a lot already (see the sell sub-forum), and it has been done well (clearly defined packages). Your web design and web development services would be more interesting to a lot of folks, although this has also been done on the sale sub-forum, it hasn't been done well.
The things i find lacking from the current web design/development for isk providers is that they don't come across as professionally as they could. Things i would like to see: - A well designed site detailing your services. - A Gallery of the design/development projects you've done. - A price indication of what certain kinds of designs/developments will cost. - An indication of how much time you'll need to complete such projects. - A definitive list of your skills and specialties in design/development.
Essentially the same kind of site what a RL web designer/developer would have, but aimed at the EVE universe.
Other services you could provide (or hire someone to provide) are: - (Corporate/Alliance) Logo design. - Forum signature design (for individuals or entire Corps/Alliances. - Web-hosting (just don't expect it to become your core business).
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Trilori
Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2007.12.27 19:12:00 -
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I too have seen various web hosting, web design and corp/alliance logo/banner services as to what extent have done well I would not be knowledgable in that area.
I have a few suggestions, not to put down or anything or say that you shouldn't do it. I know exactly what you mean by privacy mode and all that sort of thing in general.
You should be more specific as to what features are available to those who are having security inquiries. For example, I have been doing website hosting and use Cpanel/WHM those are fairly common although there is H-Sphere and PLESK and a few other ones.
I have been taking time off from website hosting and rebuilding it as a side work for RL (just a FYI). I do not build websites because I suck at it (although I can edit a few here and there).
There are two main features I can see the EVE community could really use: 1. Hotlink protection, what this does is makes it so that people who link to your images from their server will not be able to "see it" on their webpage because your server/account will prevent people from being able to link to the image from another website without downloading the image first (this saves you bandwdith)
2. protected folders AND protected site root (privacy mode I would assume would do one of these two things or both). I realize many people do not have the desire to learn the techno lingo, it is important as a website host and designer to UNDERSTAND the technicals and features and explain it like I could here.
I honestly have no desire to run a web host service for ISK though I could and probably would be so unsuccessful at it.
I have my own host and domain, all I would need is a website so there is a potential that I would like to have services done at some point only after seeing what you are able to do for me.
Also again, you may want to consider php4 and 5, cgi, mysql capabilities. Do you have this on your web server? Ruby On Rails (for those who like ROR). You need to at least have php and mysql to run some forums unless you want to go flat file (I highly advise AGAINST this especially for metagaming games like this, as it is a good security vulnerability). So again, stick with php/mysql if at all possible.
One other note, I would be hard pressed to select someone who can just make websites vs someone who can make websites compatible with the IGB and OOG browsers as THAT is also your competition there. And do me a favor, stay away from flash (I like flash, but many people do not have flash or care for it and AFAIK does not work with IGB browser either).
If you have any questions, feel free to contact me ingame. I have been doing this for the last 5-7 years as a hobby and wasting my cash on something I hardly sell or use :P
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Daye Etison
Caldari Merchants Trade Consortium PROBABLE CAUSE
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Posted - 2007.12.27 19:13:00 -
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thanks mate will do al the info help a lot will slap together a couple of demos and a main site for the corporation.
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