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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.01.09 00:09:00 -
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(big list incoming)
Also, on the history graph, it needs to filter out outliers before setting the scale. A good example is the orca price in the forge.
http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/info/orca - Someone put one up for sale in Jita at about 10x above the other prices, pushing the scale out of whack
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Group summary links are still non-functional. Which kind of goes back to my previous suggestion of showing the item name along with the 5% buy sim price for the top (4) market regions on each row. So when I look at:
http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/group_summary/18
I would see:
(item) The Forge / Domain / Sinq Laison / Heimatar Tritanium - 4.35 / 3.94 / 3.38 / 3.90 Pyerite - 5.33 / 5.30 / 4.96 / 5.11 etc.
If the average of values are above 100k, then it should switch to displaying the entire page in thousands, above 100M, in millions.
For the parent group (which does not contain actual items, only other market groups) it wouldn't make sense to display the prices. For instance, the parent group of "Materials" or "Ore & Minerals".
http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/group_summary/1031 http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/group_summary/533
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On the regional drop-down, it would be nice if you would add "meta" regions like:
-1 = All -2 = High-Sec Only -3 = Lo-Sec Only -4 = High/Low Only
(Swiped from EVE-MarketData's URLs for prices.) |
Domi Etymology
Violent Alternatives C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2012.01.10 11:08:00 -
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not sure if you've seen this site http://www.eve-market-guide.com
it's a great service they offer, but the data they use is never up to date. If possible, this service would make a great addition to the member services on offer. |
Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:32:00 -
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Hadn't seen eve market guide yet. Will loot their functions :P though EMK has everything but their invention prices, it's not yet as accessible.
As to scrapyard, good suggestions, will do. Sorry, haven't been able to work on EMK much the past week Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
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Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.01.10 21:41:00 -
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Ok:
- Field filter for station API - Fixed orca price graph, and hopefully other outliers that are too mad to be true - Added the group summary pages, will still need some (lots of) work - History mouse over is more readable
These were the things that were easy to add :) Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
598
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Posted - 2012.01.11 00:32:00 -
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Group summary pages look very good, other then its choice of the (4) regions to show for minerals:
http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/group_summary/18 - The Forge (yep, there's Jita) - Delve (uh...) - Heimatar (yep, that's Rens) - Domain (yep, Amarr)
http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/group_summary/476 - That one uses the (4) recognized market hub regions.
I'm thinking you may want to just force the top (4) regions. Or limit your heuristic to empire regions with data less then 15 days old (Delve is 45-60 days out of date).
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
598
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Posted - 2012.01.11 00:44:00 -
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One more thing (hah, right) for the group summary page - which is very nice :)
The ability to click on one of the numbers to take me to that region's sell page so I can see the sell orders for that item in that region.
Okay, make that two things.
It would be useful if the page title would change depending on what you're viewing. So when looking at:
"EVE Marketeer - Group Summary - Standard Battlecruisers - Minmatar" http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/group_summary/473
"EVE Marketeer - Item - Tornado" http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/info/Tornado |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
598
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Posted - 2012.01.11 05:15:00 -
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If you're interested in seeing market history uploaded more often, the regional status page needs to report on this.
- Drop the "% with last year" column. If the data hasn't been updated within the past month, it's not very useful at all. Have the Last hour/day/week/month fields only report on buy/sell order data freshness. Drop any items which have not had updates within the previous 365 days from the average as they're items that you'll probably never see.
- Add a new column for how fresh regional history data is and put it after the "Avg Time Ago" number. Call it "History Age" or "Order History". Again, drop anything older then 365 days before calculating the average age.
- The market scanner page will need to report both how fresh the buy/sell order data is (average age) as well as displaying the average history data age. I suggest always displaying both numbers rather then doing it like EMD where you have to flip to the other page to see how fresh the history data is. If both numbers are "in my face" when I hit the market scanner page, I can make an educated decision whether to set the market window to history or order details for this particular session. |
Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.01.11 09:26:00 -
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Lolz, yeah, there was something wrong with the algorithm that is used to determine the top regions. I just couldn't get it right, so I'll probably allow people to set their own regions there, it's just going to drive me mad otherwise. The default would then be to show the top 4 general market regions.
I didn't do sell/buy averaging yet because sometimes either of the values is zero, and that would mess up the average. Catching that will take a little more time, but don't worry, will be done.
Changing page titles, smart idea! Currently they only change based on the page you're on, but it's perfectly possible to add additional information.
Going to the right sell region automatically is more difficult, though I guess I can solve that in some way (it's not that is actually difficult, it's just that I"ve made it so :P).
Market history needs some love indeed. The reason I didn't do this yet is that a while ago, CCP released a dump of their history data, and was talking about providing all of that automatically, which I thought was pretty awesome, as it would erase the need for history uploads. Haven't heard anything about that anymore though.
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TheSmokingHertog
Black Hole INC
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Posted - 2012.01.11 16:11:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Group summary pages look very good, other then its choice of the (4) regions to show for minerals: http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/group_summary/18- The Forge (yep, there's Jita) - Delve (uh...) - Heimatar (yep, that's Rens) - Domain (yep, Amarr) ..
How to set another region in this overview? Like delve?
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Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.01.11 16:20:00 -
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The version that is currently online determines the regions based on market activity (or it should, anyway), but I've developed a new version today that allows you to set your own regions. I'll put that version online shortly, first I'll finish my awesome new table engine. Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
602
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Posted - 2012.01.11 23:03:00 -
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Nice changes to the group summary pages (including links and customizable region selection).
I think it's a toss-up whether the group summary pages should be sorted by name or TypeID. For the Minerals page, TypeID sorting makes more sense. But for a page like the following, sorting by name would make more sense:
http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/group_summary/265
The gripping hand options might be:
- TypeID sort in cases where there are less then 10 items in the group. - Or a custom list of groups where they should be sorted by TypeID. |
Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.01.11 23:22:00 -
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Uh... the forums ate my previous post announcing the latest changes...
In any case, sorting by name is probably the way to go. People will start searching for a name as soon as they find that almost everything is sorted by name, and then a few groups with custom typeID sorting will probably not make much sense.
In any case, this page will be ported to the new table grid as well, which allows sorting of any kind. Just have to add a column for typeID. Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
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Domi Etymology
Violent Alternatives C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:50:00 -
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Callean Drevus wrote:Will loot their functions :P
Another site, if you're intereted
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=28048&find=unread
EVEWalletAware, apparently was much loved. If you're looking for more functions to loot, might be worth a looksie. Also, since that program has stopped it's support, you might get more happy users for evemarketeer |
Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.01.12 12:06:00 -
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Yeah I've long been planning to grab every fuction I could find in any market program anywhere. It's just that these other things keep comin up. My attention seems to swing to whatever is closest at the moment though.
A while back someone asked for something to calculate character value, and yesterday I suddenly felt like I could no longer do nothing with that request, simply because I was curious what my own value would be . The page looks butt ugly though (My Characters). Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
605
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:39:00 -
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On the group summary pages; right now you have "buy" and "sell" in the drop down menu. Can this be expanded to:
http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/group_summary/1337/sell
"Sell (5% simulated buy)" - the default (or remember it if I have a login profile) "Sell (lowest)" "30-day average" "Buy (5% simulated sell)" "Buy (highest)" - the current default, which I always change to "sell (lowest)"
Which leads in to a question about the "item API". Now that you're starting to gather information on history, it might be useful to calculate for each item a 30-day average taking the order history within the past 30 days and giving us:
- average # units sold per day - average price per item sold
i.e.
http://www.evemarketeer.com/api/info/34/xml/10000043/30d_units_per_day http://www.evemarketeer.com/api/info/34/xml/10000043/30d_avg_price
That would give us an idea of how many units are changing hands per day over the past month in each region. |
Trin Dainos
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Posted - 2012.01.13 13:13:00 -
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Is there a problem with "Best Items"? It seems a litle bit empty..... |
Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.01.13 16:54:00 -
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Can do! Was already planning to add the featur that remembers your settings, for all those kind of useful dropdowns that currently keep forgetting your settings :)
I've also been calculating that information (averages) for a while, it was just never exposed. I'll not include it in the info API though, since I'm never sure about history information, and always sure about what is currently in the Info API. Will do what I can about adding it though. Probably first a separate API.
Best items is sometimes a bit fickle, especially when a day has just begun. The interval shouldn't be too long though... Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
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Trin Dainos
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Posted - 2012.01.13 17:05:00 -
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Callean Drevus wrote:Can do! Was already planning to add the featur that remembers your settings, for all those kind of useful dropdowns that currently keep forgetting your settings :)
I've also been calculating that information (averages) for a while, it was just never exposed. I'll not include it in the info API though, since I'm never sure about history information, and always sure about what is currently in the Info API. Will do what I can about adding it though. Probably first a separate API.
Best items is sometimes a bit fickle, especially when a day has just begun. The interval shouldn't be too long though...
The list is empty for me since nearly 24h. In everey region....
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Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:58:00 -
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It might have had something to do with a completely different problem that the website was suffering from. Which is now fixed. Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
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Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.01.14 11:27:00 -
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Top Uploads
EVE Central 581214 Scrapyard Bob284262 oshua 133149
Those two have been doing most of the uploads in the entirety of the EVE universe for the past week. The EVE Central number is all the orders I retrieved from EVE Central, whether they were also uploaded to EMK or not.
This means that there (if these were both uploading to both sites) were only 163803 uploads that were uploaded uniquely to EVE Central. You've got to love multiple uploading ^^
Much respect to the people whom are doing this great service to the community by providing half of ALL the order data the market sites receive by themselves. Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
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Maeste Madeveda
The Spawning Pool Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.01.14 17:43:00 -
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Both of them have multiple accounts who are running the scanner all day long. I only have one account so I can't have the same numbers. But during the last month, I managed to get to the 13th place of all time uploaders mostly by uploading in Heimatar. I believe everyone can have a influence particularly in they trade outside of the 4 main racial hubs who are updated regularly. It would be very good to have inputs on every Empire region. That should be our goal actually.
I like the new changes, some of them might need tweaking but I need to use them more before giving an appropriate feedback. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
608
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Posted - 2012.01.14 19:38:00 -
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Depends on the day. I always try and make a point to update (3) regions at night (Heim/Metro/Sinq), but I'll sometimes run the scanner during the day for Heimatar/Sinq. Especially if the market is chaotic that week with lots of price swings through the day. I'll also sometimes float the 3rd alt's account around and hit up different regions.
We definitely need more people in places like Everyshore, Tash-Murkon, Domain, Citadel, Lonetrek, etc
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Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.01.15 09:31:00 -
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Quote:Both of them have multiple accounts who are running the scanner all day long. I only have one account so I can't have the same numbers. I didn't mean to say other people didn't do their best I just found it incredibly funny that two people are actually doing half of all the uploading Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
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Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.15 11:34:00 -
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This site just keeps getting better and better! Nice work! |
TheSmokingHertog
Black Hole INC
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Posted - 2012.01.15 16:01:00 -
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Thx for all the grt efforts, the summeries of sales are great. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
609
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Posted - 2012.01.15 17:52:00 -
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Also, maybe the "top uploaders" list should be done based off of credits rather then raw uploads.
Then you could award more/less credits in order to skew towards the behavior that you want. (Looking at the upload history, this already seems to happen somewhat. Sometimes I get 0.1 credits, sometimes I get 5-15 credits per upload item.)
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Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.01.15 19:57:00 -
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The red green lines mean whether your orders are the lowest/highest in the region/station they are sold/bought in, depending on whether you selected station range, and whether they are buy or sell orders.
@Scrapyard: Can you possibly have missed the fact that the second table on the top uploaders page is sorted by amount of credits? The credit system works as you describe , the minimum value is 0.1, for an upload which add absolutely nothing (see, repeat uploading), to 25 for an upload that redefines the stats for the entire region. Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
609
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:51:00 -
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Callean Drevus wrote:@Scrapyard: Can you possibly have missed the fact that the second table on the top uploaders page is sorted by amount of credits? The credit system works as you describe , the minimum value is 0.1, for an upload which add absolutely nothing (see, repeat uploading), to 25 for an upload that redefines the stats for the entire region.
Yes, but does that control who shows up on the front page? Or is that off of raw upload count?
(And thanks, I was curious how some of the scores were calculated.) |
Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.01.16 06:55:00 -
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Ah, true. I'm not entirely certain which one I use for the front page, but I assume it's upload count. Mostly because showing an arbitrary number of credits doesn't mean anything to the uninitiated. Maybe it can be changed to 'best uploaders', though not entirely certain how to make that comprehensible. Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
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Kaladr
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.01.16 07:06:00 -
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Unified Uploader bug report (or so I think, can't tell if this is the unified upload or not):
Looks like a POST request is being made to the resource "http://eve-central.com/...", as below:
xx - - [15/Jan/2012:10:16:34 +0000] "POST http://eve-central.com/datainput.py/inputdata HTTP/1.1" 200 120 "-" "-"
However, the http:// doesn't belong in the actual request portion as below:
xx- - [15/Jan/2012:10:16:34 +0000] "POST /datainput.py/inputdata HTTP/1.1" 200 120 "-" "-"
Luckily enough server bits reformat the request into something sensible, but I can't guarantee this behavior when I switch over to the "new stack". Could you check the unified uploader for me to make sure the POST URL is sensible? Creator of EVE-Central.com, the longest running EVE Market Aggregator |
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