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Dromidas Shadowmoon
Minmatar Storm Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.31 00:23:00 -
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If any commandship needs fixed its the sleipnir.. virtually no stamina in the tank, could survive flying through the sun if it only lasted 30 seconds and didn't have any neuts. :P _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it. |
7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.31 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon If any commandship needs fixed its the sleipnir.. virtually no stamina in the tank, could survive flying through the sun if it only lasted 30 seconds and didn't have any neuts. :P
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc. Blood Blind
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Posted - 2007.12.31 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Eardianm
Originally by: Lorz0r
Originally by: J Valkor Edited by: J Valkor on 30/12/2007 23:36:59 It currently takes 1 RCU 2 to comfortably fit gang mod and end up with an effective hp of 166k when squad commander in a NH. Can anybody pretty please post any other field command ship that can reach that much effective hp? While doing 500 DPS? Up to 80 kms?
I love my NH. Any boosts make me worry about a nerf later.
setup please. im gonna love to hear how youre getting 500 DPS without pimped faction/gang mods at 90km
Good luck. Gyp and I have been asking for it for over a month now in various threads where NH numbers come up, from both him and the KOS guy who recommends Cap Injectors on Dreads.
EFT says max skilled NH, with CN Scourge and HML IIs and 4 BCS II, does 501 DPS.
However, this is obviously an EFT fit, because after fitting gang mod and MWD you're already out of PG, and you haven't even begun to fit a dodgy buffer tank. And it assumes max skills.
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CHAOS100
Momentum. The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.12.31 00:50:00 -
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I say boost it. But only if passive shield tanks are hit hard by the nerf bat. --------------
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Eardianm
Darkness Inc. Blood Blind
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Posted - 2007.12.31 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: CHAOS100 I say boost it. But only if passive shield tanks are hit hard by the nerf bat.
NH passive tank can't get any better than what you can already fit. And by passive tanks, are you talking both armor and shield, or just shield? Cause the all slot + rig passive shield tank in pvp has very limited usefulness. Like a bait ship, and that's about all. Every other case could have something more useful fitted in some of those slots.
And pve balance is already all out of whack. Rightfully so figuring the intent of the game. --------------
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J Valkor
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.12.31 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: J Valkor on 31/12/2007 01:45:13 Edited by: J Valkor on 31/12/2007 01:43:26
1. Max Skills (I have this) 2. A 3% damage implant (I have this) 3. 3x BCU 2's 4. Caldari Scourge
I don't fit a MWD. I have never had a need and I have never died because of it. If you want one fit an extra RCU 2 you can easily get a MWD on there by sacrificing another large shield extender.
This **** isn't theoretical. It is what I do.
My missiles do: 172*1.25*1.25*1.1*1.1*1.086*1.056*1.03=384 damage My rate of fire is currently: 4.60 seconds
384*6/4.60=501 DPS
This isn't EFT. This isn't ******* theory. This is what my PVP nighthawk does. There is nothing preventing anybody from doing that except they do not want to put in the time to train their skills to max. This isn't even with Drones.
http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=NzI4NTY4NTQ4 http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=J+Valkor
None of those losses could have been prevented by anything short of a miracle. I have had situations where my Nighthawk has only survived because of its tank. I have also had situations where we only get kills because idiots like you underestimate both my damage and tank to an insane degree.
As for the build I was thinking of applying when I have the skills finished: Highs: 7x HML 2, 1x Shield Harmonizing Warfare Link Mids: 2x LSE 2's, 1x MSE 2, 1x IF 2, 1x PS 2 Lows: 3x BCU 2's, 1x DCU 2, 1x RCU 2
The effective DPS of this build will only be 486 because I need to lose a ROF implant for the mind link. It also needs the 'Squire' PG4.
Its effective HP is 166k with gang bonuses.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2007.12.31 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ogul
Originally by: AFTRUNX the Nighthawk need only that....
Fix the Command Ship Skill bonus to HM's and HAM's... Then we have a short Range damage missile boat.. thats all we need.
ATM the Command Ships skill bonus only affect HM's.. :/
And how frequently do you shoot frigates that don't have an active mwd when you pvp?
Because that's the only case where the Nighthawk bonus makes any difference. In other words: it's useless. (great for pve missions though)
It's great for popping drones too, something that happen in PvP. -- Heat, easy to burn your mods by mistake, hard to get it to work when you need it the most. Well designed interface CCP! |
Stefan F
Enrave Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.31 02:16:00 -
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Lol even EFT wont let you fit 7 launchers on a NH
now go back to your t1 fitted drake and do some low sec nub ganking plz
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Eardianm
Darkness Inc. Blood Blind
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Posted - 2007.12.31 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: J Valkor
The effective DPS of this build will only be 486 because I need to lose a ROF implant for the mind link. It also needs the 'Squire' PG4. You can drop the MSE 2 and the DCU 2 and add another RCU 2 to get a MWD 2.
Nice skills. And either the implants were left out of the EFT numbers, or it's calculating something wrong. And I guess you do do the numbers by hand
Anyway, I quoted the last part, because it has the biggest to do with this thread/my issues and the PG issue. Lower damage weapon (which is less grid for launchers), and you'd have to fit 2 RCU IIs for a gang mod and MWD. I just don't think that's reasonable. Yes, the tank is nice, but it's still not close to solopwn territory, as it doesn't even have tackle. That's why I'd like to see a grid bump.
That's not even touching the issue of trying to fit HAMs, which do require a MWD.
And thank you for finally humoring us with your fit/numbers. It is appreciated. --------------
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J Valkor
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.12.31 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: J Valkor on 31/12/2007 03:54:58
Originally by: Eardianm
Originally by: J Valkor
The effective DPS of this build will only be 486 because I need to lose a ROF implant for the mind link. It also needs the 'Squire' PG4. You can drop the MSE 2 and the DCU 2 and add another RCU 2 to get a MWD 2.
Nice skills. And either the implants were left out of the EFT numbers, or it's calculating something wrong. And I guess you do do the numbers by hand
Anyway, I quoted the last part, because it has the biggest to do with this thread/my issues and the PG issue. Lower damage weapon (which is less grid for launchers), and you'd have to fit 2 RCU IIs for a gang mod and MWD. I just don't think that's reasonable. Yes, the tank is nice, but it's still not close to solopwn territory, as it doesn't even have tackle. That's why I'd like to see a grid bump.
That's not even touching the issue of trying to fit HAMs, which do require a MWD.
And thank you for finally humoring us with your fit/numbers. It is appreciated.
I do agree that HAMs need to have their pg reduced and possibly the pg of the warfare link. Those are, in my opinion, fair. If you gave me a bunch of extra PG do you see how that might allow me to fit a possibly unbalanced Nighthawk? A 7th launcher with the pg boost and (on my 486 build) my DPS will approach 567 without drones. At 80 kms.
I do, however, support 100% boosting the NH's drone bay size to 50. Being able to carry a set of armor and shield repair drones would be greatly appreciated.
Oh, and Stefan, I posted the most complete history of my kills and losses I could find as well as an API verified list of my skills. Stop trolling.
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E Vile
Fifth Exiled Legion SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.31 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap Am i having a deja vu or something? Same post, same character, same whine. Im 100% sure i have seen this thread before and replied in it. @ OP, didnt you make this whine thread like 1 month ago?
Gotta love the great informative info this quote contributed. Whine about what you call a whine. Now that's a troll.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc. Blood Blind
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:12:00 -
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Nice skills Valkor, thanks for the information.
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