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Jack Gilligan
Caldari New Dawn Initiative
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Posted - 2007.12.27 04:27:00 -
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Is this even possible? I've made many experiments, and I have T2 subcomponents for shield modules, booster modules, etc, and can't manage it.
Should I give up on XL boosters and stick with T2 large?
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2007.12.27 04:49:00 -
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Try cap flux coils and Cap power relays.
CCC rigs also.
Or if you got the isk a Gist booster uses less cap/sec than tech II.
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Dexton
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.27 04:53:00 -
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More dmg less tank: Mids: Xlarge booster t2 3x t2 hardeners 2x t2 cap rechargers
Lows: 2x cap powerrelay t2 or faction 3x bcu
Less dmg More tank Mids: 1x X-large booster t2 4x t2 hardeners 1x t2 cap recharger
Lows: 2x bcu 3x power relay t2/faction
these ofcourse need the classic 3x ccc to permarun
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Arthur Frayn
Veterans Of Liberation Ltd. THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.27 05:30:00 -
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The cap power relays sort of defeat the purpose of permarunning your XL shield booster, since the loss in boost amount makes the tank weaker.
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.27 05:52:00 -
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Relays without shield boost amps is pointless. Might as well downgrade to a Large and amps.
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Zeknichov
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2007.12.27 06:04:00 -
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You're better off perma running a large than an XL unless it's a Gist c-type XL Booster.
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Drek Silverfang
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Posted - 2007.12.27 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan Is this even possible? I've made many experiments, and I have T2 subcomponents for shield modules, booster modules, etc, and can't manage it.
Should I give up on XL boosters and stick with T2 large?
Possible? Yes. You can use a Gist X-type booster and with some cap mods have it perma run but it's less effective than it could be. Manually controlling it due to cap limitations by not having flux coils or rechargers but having the hardeners and damage mods will result in a superior fitting.
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Narni
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Posted - 2007.12.27 08:20:00 -
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You dont need to run an XL booster permanently, if you do, your doing something else wrong.....
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari New Dawn Initiative
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Posted - 2007.12.28 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zeknichov You're better off perma running a large than an XL unless it's a Gist c-type XL Booster.
I can permarun T2 large boosters for sure. And I use an amp.
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari New Dawn Initiative
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Posted - 2007.12.28 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Narni You dont need to run an XL booster permanently, if you do, your doing something else wrong.....
The longest I can run it is for about 5 minutes. Of course the gain from it is enormous, and probably what I should have for pvp, when I can count on corpmates to send me some power...
But am curious if it's possible to run the thing for long periods of time on a single ship.
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari New Dawn Initiative
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Posted - 2007.12.28 05:06:00 -
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My current Raven setup (based on a large booster active tank)
Highs:
6x Arbalest Cruise Launchers 1x 420mm Prototype Gauss Railgun 1x (nothing)
Mids:
2X Rat hardners (T2) 2x Large Shield Extender II's 1x Large Shield Booster II 1x Shield Boost Amp
Lows:
5x PDS II's
Rigs:
3x CCC
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.28 05:25:00 -
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Extenders on active tanks in missions is rather pointless... Change to another amp, a cap recharger, and play with cap flux coils/pds to get the most free low slots. Add BCS.
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Zeknichov
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2007.12.28 06:32:00 -
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In mids use this.
Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amp II 3-4 Rat Specific Hardeners (It depends on the kind of rat. Rat you have good natural resists use 3 rats you have bad natural resists use 4.) If you're using 3 Hardeners put on another Shield Boost Amp.
As for lows you can use 2 flux and 3 BCU or 3 PDU and 2 BCU. Depends if you want more tank or more gank.
There you go.
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Ralara
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Posted - 2007.12.28 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan Is this even possible? I've made many experiments, and I have T2 subcomponents for shield modules, booster modules, etc, and can't manage it.
Should I give up on XL boosters and stick with T2 large?
3 CCC relays
2 power diagnostics
1x gist C or above type XL booster
1 cap recharger II
3 active hardners
shield boost amp
should run forever and with best skills close to 1000 per repair for about 200 and something energy every 4 or 5 seconds. Costs a bit but it can take on full aggro from almost any mission (lvl 4) and survive indefinately. :) I've had 15 battleships firing on me with that set up and shields never went below 95% :)
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.12.28 08:50:00 -
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Everyone always, always seems to forget that a Large Booster and an XL booster of the same type will be equally efficient. If you can't permarun an XL, you have no reason to downgrade to a L, unless being able to permarun is very important to you(for afk missioning), or maybe if cpu and grid is sparse and a L fits easier.
Permarunning a L has the EXACT same effect on your cap and shield regen as running an XL 40% of the time. The only difference is that you have the capability to repair at a much higher rate with an XL(For those "Oh S**T!" moments). A L has a very low peak repair rate in comparison.
As a side note, you can permarun an XL on a Raven, but usually only by using CPRs, and those counteract your booster. You get a much stronger sustained tank with cap fluxes. They give you less cap regen, but don't hurt your booster - so the end result is a stronger tank, but one that needs babbysitting.
I've done the math over and over and discussed and argued over this for a while. I'm very sure of what I'm writing here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Zeknichov
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2007.12.28 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dubious Drewski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Everyone always, always seems to forget that a Large Booster and an XL booster of the same type will be equally efficient. If you can't permarun an XL, you have no reason to downgrade to a L, unless being able to permarun is very important to you(for afk missioning), or maybe if cpu and grid is sparse and a L fits easier.
Permarunning a L has the EXACT same effect on your cap and shield regen as running an XL 40% of the time. The only difference is that you have the capability to repair at a much higher rate with an XL(For those "Oh S**T!" moments). A L has a very low peak repair rate in comparison.
As a side note, you can permarun an XL on a Raven, but usually only by using CPRs, and those counteract your booster. You get a much stronger sustained tank with cap fluxes. They give you less cap regen, but don't hurt your booster - so the end result is a stronger tank, but one that needs babbysitting.
I've done the math over and over and discussed and argued over this for a while. I'm very sure of what I'm writing here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Very true and I always forget about this because I'm a huge fan of afk'ing while playing EVE ;p
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.28 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/12/2007 10:55:16 If you want to afk run lvl4's, then perma with a t2 xl booster.
Ignore the joke setups in this thread using relays, pdu's and anything else that used to be valid 2 years ago but have been superceded by other modules now. Now this is the setup I reccomend to the AFKer who is not that concearned with damage (i.e shoot and walk away for a few mins).
H: Launchers M: XL Booster II, Amp, Cap recharger II, 3 x Hardners L: 5 x Cap Power Flux II Rigs: 3 x CCC
With lvl4 and lvl5 cap skills in either Energy Systems operation/Energy Management, you can run t2 xlbooster forever (you probebly could run with less skills, I never checked). Only Dark blood nos's will pose a problem, but then again - they pose a problem to all afk setups.
Now if you want more damage - use faction/Gist booster and start replacing those T2 Flux with BCU's. I myself use a Gist XL, so I have 2 flux/3 officer BCU's in my alts permatank afk setup. Thats 700dps+ which is good for a perma afk setup.
Now someone is going to say "OMG FLUX KILLZ CAPZOR". Just ignore them - My 5 x flux newbie friendly setup works fine with no problemsas a raven has far to much cap recharge/sec for destablisation to ever become an issue. --
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Ap0ll0n
Gallente Pikfjaes
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Posted - 2007.12.28 11:36:00 -
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High: 6 Arbalest cruiselauncher, 1 Heavy named nos
Med: 4 specific hardeners, 1 T2 cap recharger and 1 Gist B-type X-L booster
Low: 3 T2 BCS and 2 T2 PDU
Rigs: 3 x CCC
Can run the booster for 13min (i got crap engineering skills).. Not necessary to run it permanently, though it would be nice
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.12.28 11:41:00 -
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2 x Shield Boost Amplifier II will almost nullify the drawbacks from 5 Capacitor Power Relay II... 5 CPR II and 1-2 CCC rigs should be enough to permarun with good cap skills.
But I'd definately check out the flux setup from above as well - sounds interesting afterall - I'm a nice guy!!
But hook me up with some pew pew, because I'm really bored... |
Daedex
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Posted - 2007.12.28 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Daedex on 28/12/2007 13:08:08 My Setup:
3x CCC
2x BCS II 3x CPR II
Boost Amp II XL Booster II 3x Hardeners II Cap Recharger II
5x CN Cruise 1x Arbalest Drone Link Augmenter
Permaruns the XL that gives 615 every 5 seconds Plus u get the 2 BCS for damage. I have a cheap implant that give a smalls cap recharge rate bonus but it should still work without it
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.12.28 13:15:00 -
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BTW: A large shield booster even with 1-2 amps will not give as much shield as a X-large shield booster used together with Capacitor Power Relay IIs...
Pinky - I'm a nice guy!!
But hook me up with some pew pew, because I'm really bored... |
Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.12.29 03:21:00 -
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Some good advice here, some really bad advice here. I recommend listening to the advice in my last post. I have the answer.
Seriously.
The thread can end now.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.29 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dubious Drewski Some good advice here, some really bad advice here. I recommend listening to the advice in my last post. I have the answer.
Seriously.
The thread can end now.
Yeah... /thread
good job drewski. --
Originally by: "QProQ"
When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
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Zephyr Rengate
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.12.29 03:51:00 -
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I prefer my megathron to my raven. On my mega i could perma run 2 large duel reps.
I dont think the raven needs a perma run booster. Just use it when needed for a few burts.
Ravens are a ***** to fit and fly well but when you can fly them well they rock.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.29 09:08:00 -
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xl sb2,1x boostamp, 2x hardons, 2x cap rechargers 3x cap flux II, 2x bcuII 3xccc rigs
permaruns with cap skills 5/5
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.29 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 29/12/2007 10:13:00
Originally by: Dubious Drewski Some good advice here, some really bad advice here. I recommend listening to the advice in my last post. I have the answer.
Seriously.
The thread can end now.
You gave reasonable advise on using a L vs XL. However, for the question the OP was asking, you reccomended CPR's as a potential for a permatank. I would say that this is not good advise, since anyone could fit flux II insted of CPR. Why? Well a Flux II is almost the same real cap recharge as a CPR and there is no shield boost penelty.
And the Cap being unstable is a myth, since the raven has far too much cap to ever worry about destabalisation. A 5 x Flux II raven + 3 x CCC + Cap Recharger II will permarun a XL II booster forever, which is what the OP asked for. ( a Gixt Booster only needs 2 x Flux II, giving 3 free lows for BCU's so they can do 700DPS+ permantank with cruise)
PDU II and Cap Power Relay II are no longer needed in missions. Flux II outclasses them. PDU II used to be useful as a fitting mod for seige, but seige is now useless for missions. And if you really need a PDU buffer bonus on a active permatank setup, then there is something seriously wrong with your setup to beguin with --
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Ashley Torn
Caldari Indicium Technologies
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Posted - 2007.12.29 10:46:00 -
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My current setup consists of:
High: 6 Cruise Launchers Meds: 2 x T2 Active Hardeners, 2 x Cap Rec II, Shield Boost Amp I, XL Booster II Lows: 2 x BCS II, 3 x Cap Flux Coil II Rigs: 3 x CCC I
This setup permaruns my XL booster with cap stable at around 35%. My relevant tanking skills aren't great at the minute (Energy Management 3, Shield Compensation 2) and there are better tank setups listed above. But I like the extra damage provided by the BCS IIs.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.29 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan Is this even possible? I've made many experiments, and I have T2 subcomponents for shield modules, booster modules, etc, and can't manage it.
Should I give up on XL boosters and stick with T2 large?
If you can it would take more micromanagement then a large,but in the end it would =more tankable damage.
If you want a viable setup with a permarunning XLSB then go with a gist one with 3 pdus in the lows and CCC rigs. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected]) |
Melor Rend
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Posted - 2007.12.29 11:53:00 -
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Get a Gist Booster, 3x CCC Rigs and PDS and/or Cap Rechargers and/or Cap Flux Coils until it perma runs. Should be no problem like that (used to run it perma with 3x CCC rig, 1 cap recharger and 2 PDS i think but now i've switched to 1x PDS, rigs and 2x cap recharger since i can tank any lvl4 with 2 invuls anyway so i'd rather have a fourth BCU then a further hardner or other med-slot.
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.29 16:30:00 -
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You can run what is effectively an XL booster if you buy a Pith X-type Large shield booster. They cost 900M last time I checked, have a shield boost rate between meta 3 and 4 XLs, are easier to fit, and are easier perma-run than any XL booster (Gist X-type XL comes pretty close, but are insanely expensive).
3 CCC Is and 3 Cap Flux Coils (cap skills assumed V) will come very close to perma-running the Pith X-type, 3 T2 hards, and a T2 invlun, and you could close that gap either with a few implants or by using faction hardeners. Either that, or you could pay a little attention to your game and NOS an enemy every so often. ------------------- I nerfed my own sig To amuse you, here is my Retriever ever since its first Trinity deployment. RIP. * * * * ** * * * ** * * * * * *** * ** ** |
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