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Svanna Gulmi
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Posted - 2007.12.28 17:04:00 -
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Price hit rock bottom this last few weeks, has the drop rate increased or is this just the held back stocks from the much awaited T2 BS's discarded as the BS's loose there rose tint? As far as i'm aware, there are still less agents giving out mech eng cores so this i'd have thought should keep the price much higher... So whats it to be? Regain in value or is the market just too flooded now?
Svanna
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Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.12.28 17:08:00 -
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3 months ago someone posted on the forums how much they were making with them.
2.5 months later hordes of alts finish skilling up and begin collecting 6x80-90 rp per day.
Half a month after that the price crashes.
But there isn't a connection.
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Svanna Gulmi
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Posted - 2007.12.28 17:13:00 -
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You think the flood is just from agents? I'd have guessed it'd have been from the panic buying before Trinity. I guess i look at the small amount of cores i'm getting from my 2 agents, it's by no meens anything to shout about. I've traded in cores quite a bit myself, and for all those trying to keep the price up there is an equal amount of peeps trying to drag the price down for there own meens, which is understandable. I wonder though could it be these guys? have they won?
It'll be interesting to see how it pans out...
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.28 17:14:00 -
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Supply of such items takes a while to ramp up, and demand just peaked as people built up stocks for trinity. Now that demand is being turned off fast as invention returns from being insanely profitable to small-average profits (supply in some T2 items is well well above demand). So demand for datacores has dropped massively, but supply is still increasing.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.28 17:23:00 -
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working as intended --
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Svanna Gulmi
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Posted - 2007.12.28 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Svanna Gulmi on 28/12/2007 17:32:49
Originally by: Admiral Nova Supply of such items takes a while to ramp up, and demand just peaked as people built up stocks for trinity. Now that demand is being turned off fast as invention returns from being insanely profitable to small-average profits (supply in some T2 items is well well above demand). So demand for datacores has dropped massively, but supply is still increasing.
I see your point, well said. So basically the increased useage of mech eng cores along with the starship cores (which will i doubt ever run low) is just not enough to sustain the market. I have noticed a few items like BCU II with the prices falling to absolute minimal manufacturing profits. Just not enough caldari loosing there ships
Dont get me wrong, i'm not whining about anything, i'd just like to understand the changes in the market a bit better. On one side i do a lot of trading, but also i invent and manufacture mods and ships. So when i'm winning in one area i loose a little on the other sometimes So it's nice to understand the market
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Prokonsul Piotrus
Minmatar Astral Light of Nature
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Posted - 2007.12.29 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Benedic 3 months ago someone posted on the forums how much they were making with them.
2.5 months later hordes of alts finish skilling up and begin collecting 6x80-90 rp per day.
Half a month after that the price crashes.
But there isn't a connection.
No, there shouldn't be. Much more people would simply check prices in Jita and train accordingly (as I did) before ever reading a post about them here. Over time, supply increases and with demand steady, I don't think I need to say anything more :) -- One day, we will return to the planets... please, CCP? :)
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Garrick Konquero
Gallente ImmCo
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Posted - 2007.12.29 01:57:00 -
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One factor helping out the supply side, was the big shift that took place in June with the release of Revelations 2. By then there had been nearly six months for awareness of the value of ME datacores to build. Revelations 2 introduced additional ME agents (IIRC, Gallente had no ME agents at all prior to Rev 2) and widely available "cheap" science skill books.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.29 11:15:00 -
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Well you can see that it was possible to pay for GTCs for your account, and then some, by juts running mech eng agents, such prices are not sustainable long term. Eventually the price will settle around-below that (because at that point supply will start being turned off).
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Prokonsul Piotrus
Minmatar Astral Light of Nature
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Posted - 2007.12.29 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Nova Well you can see that it was possible to pay for GTCs for your account, and then some, by juts running mech eng agents
And CCP can't afford to "nerf" their real world income that way - another thing to keep in mind. -- One day, we will return to the planets... please, CCP? :)
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.29 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Prokonsul Piotrus
Originally by: Admiral Nova Well you can see that it was possible to pay for GTCs for your account, and then some, by juts running mech eng agents
And CCP can't afford to "nerf" their real world income that way - another thing to keep in mind.
/sigh
there is no NERF to real world income, some one still has to buy the GTC for RL currency, then relist it for sale for ISK. None of CCP's real world income is hurt by GTC sales, promise. --
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Starbuckx
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.29 18:50:00 -
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people can move their agents to research other types of cores if they start to become more valuable.
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Bacon Flaps
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Posted - 2007.12.30 02:34:00 -
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it's worth noting that the margin on these has not dropped as much as their value, not even close, so in fact they are much more profitable now in terms of reselling.
volume, once it settles, will still be higher than pre-trinity.
of course, we don't know what rock-bottom actually is. I suspect the margins will drop a lot further once demand settles down.
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.30 20:30:00 -
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Today the prices in jita were between 700k and 800k... From the 2.5-3M they were a few months back. And they are going down every day... Same thing with exploration products etc. In general deflation is running wild and eating away the value of investments... This leads to ppl liquidating assets and even more isk being moved away from the market...
The prices of T2 items are in general production price +little, so it is unlikely that there will be a rush of new producers to the market, and so it is unlikely that demand will pick up until new T2 items are introduced to the market, or they introduce "t3"... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.30 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus In general deflation is running wild
Price drops on a single item hardly means there is deflation running wild.
Why do people always overlook the very simple answers. Supply > Demand. Price drops untill Supply = Demand. Simple. Prices were high due to speculation, not true demand.
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.30 22:59:00 -
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It's not just single items.
It's all across the board. The price for every item has been going down steadily for months. If you are looking just the recent spike, than yes, it is decieving. However, the long term trend is strong deflation. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.30 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus The price for every item has been going down steadily for months.
Every item! Quite a claim there. Perhaps you mean, on average, prices are declining. That I may be willing to accept, but if I accept your wording at face value then I must disagree.
Though there is a very real reason ISK would be leaving the game. The LP store.
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.12.31 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Laboratus The price for every item has been going down steadily for months.
Every item! Quite a claim there. Perhaps you mean, on average, prices are declining. That I may be willing to accept, but if I accept your wording at face value then I must disagree.
Though there is a very real reason ISK would be leaving the game. The LP store.
I'm sure the LP store is a sink, but I don't think it's as large as you portray it.
I think the fundamental deflation equation is this (substituting the two numbers for any two others in similar proportion):
Every month, 10% more isk enters the system. Every month, 15% more value (goods, services) enters the system
Thus, you have x money chasing x+y value. The providers of that value thus lower their prices in order to create sales.
Before any amateur economists try to contradict me by saying "there's no such thing as value in terms of isk" or whatever, please carefully re-read my post. If I'm still wrong, or you're an actual economist, then by all means, please correct me.
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.31 00:47:00 -
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MP
I fully agree with you there. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.31 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Laboratus The price for every item has been going down steadily for months.
Every item! Quite a claim there. Perhaps you mean, on average, prices are declining. That I may be willing to accept, but if I accept your wording at face value then I must disagree.
Though there is a very real reason ISK would be leaving the game. The LP store.
I'm sure the LP store is a sink, but I don't think it's as large as you portray it.
I did not phrase that as I meant to.
I should have said "There is a very real reason ISK would be leaving the game faster today than it used to 6+ months ago. The LP Store.
Though I do know there is more money leaving the game through the LP store than a lot of people realize. Especially since this past patch with the removal of the NPC purchasable items at 1000 isk per.
I'd definitely love to have a % of deflation per month though, assuming there is deflation. It would be interesting to know just how much richer you are actually getting just by keeping money in your wallet instead of spending it on items which are dropping in price (in theory).
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order. United Connection's
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Posted - 2007.12.31 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 31/12/2007 01:14:27
Originally by: Laboratus It's all across the board. The price for every item has been going down steadily for months.
Tell that to those who buy Dysprosium or anything made with it.
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