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Jack Target
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.30 23:09:00 -
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I'm tempted to fit a cloak on my Tempest, which I use for PvE ratting.
If 'reds' appear in local, I currently dock straight away. However, it's possible that one day I'll get distracted by ratting and a 'red' could appear on the same grid as me. I hypothesize that a cloak should give me a second chance of surviving.
Is this a good idea? If so, does it matter what cloak I have? Does an officer cloak give a significant advantage?
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Gladiator Jonny
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.30 23:15:00 -
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Dont fit faction or officer, keep it cheap. they do the same job.
I advise you to keep an eye on local, if a hostile appears on grid. changes are your probabily in trouble.
Keep an eye on intel channels, cloak and keep moving.
fitting fancy cloaks will barely do anything exept make you loose more.
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Dromidas Shadowmoon
Minmatar Storm Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.30 23:20:00 -
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if a red appears on grid then a cloak probably won't save you, BS with cloaks are sloooow and if they know the general area you're in they can just launch drones and fly around and get you most of the time. _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it. |
Jack Target
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.30 23:24:00 -
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I've read that ISK farmers use cloaks on their Ravens.
I suppose when they see a non-blue in local, they cloak if there is no station to dock at.
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Iinaara
Ero Guro VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.30 23:25:00 -
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Wherever I rat, I ALWAYS make an SS first. When at a belt, align towards the SS if at all possible (I rat in an apoc, so F1-F7 and snooze). If there happens to be a fleet/gang walkin through, I warp to the SS and cloak. I usually fit the Improv. Cloak II just for the faster lock time compared to the t1.
I will add, though, that the above poster is correct. Every single time I've hit a gate camp, I have lost the ship despite the cloak. #1 reason? I usually can't lock fast enough. So as soon as the drones come out, I put on the tank, but my luck usually results in camps with 4, 5+ BS's. =/
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CptEagle
Gallente Genius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.30 23:45:00 -
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Also, you cant cloak when rats are blasting you (obviously).
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Jack Target
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.30 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Iinaara Wherever I rat, I ALWAYS make an SS first. When at a belt, align towards the SS if at all possible (I rat in an apoc, so F1-F7 and snooze). If there happens to be a fleet/gang walkin through, I warp to the SS and cloak. I usually fit the Improv. Cloak II just for the faster lock time compared to the t1.
I will add, though, that the above poster is correct. Every single time I've hit a gate camp, I have lost the ship despite the cloak. #1 reason? I usually can't lock fast enough. So as soon as the drones come out, I put on the tank, but my luck usually results in camps with 4, 5+ BS's. =/
I bookmark the 'docking ramp' of a nearby station. When I see non-blues in local, I warp to docking ramp and I can dock straight away.
Your idea of cloaking at a SS sounds good, but my concern is the non-blues could stay in the system for hours. Nevertheless, I suppose your method is safer though.
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Iinaara
Ero Guro VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.30 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Target
Originally by: Iinaara Wherever I rat, I ALWAYS make an SS first. When at a belt, align towards the SS if at all possible (I rat in an apoc, so F1-F7 and snooze). If there happens to be a fleet/gang walkin through, I warp to the SS and cloak. I usually fit the Improv. Cloak II just for the faster lock time compared to the t1.
I will add, though, that the above poster is correct. Every single time I've hit a gate camp, I have lost the ship despite the cloak. #1 reason? I usually can't lock fast enough. So as soon as the drones come out, I put on the tank, but my luck usually results in camps with 4, 5+ BS's. =/
I bookmark the 'docking ramp' of a nearby station. When I see non-blues in local, I warp to docking ramp and I can dock straight away.
Your idea of cloaking at a SS sounds good, but my concern is the non-blues could stay in the system for hours. Nevertheless, I suppose your method is safer though.
Well, I guess I forgot to mention this is 0.0 ratting for me, so 99% of the time there isn't a station nearby. And yes, I have had to sit for 2-3 hours while hostile gate camps have gone on in system.
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Jack Target
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.31 00:10:00 -
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What would happen if you warped to a safe spot, cloaked, and then did a logoffski (logged off)?
Would you warp to deep space cloaked or uncloaked (so the non-blues could probe you out)?
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Dromidas Shadowmoon
Minmatar Storm Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.31 00:17:00 -
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When I needed to fix my sec status i fitted a cloak and went to 0.0, completely hostile area but just warp to a SS and cloak as soon as someone enters system. Safe, good money, but slow. _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it. |
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Jack Target
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.31 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon When I needed to fix my sec status i fitted a cloak and went to 0.0, completely hostile area but just warp to a SS and cloak as soon as someone enters system. Safe, good money, but slow.
I don't like hostile areas in 0.0! I prefer to rat outside the corp/alliance HQ - I feel there is safety in numbers!
Hostile 0.0 is a scary place for me.
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IamBen
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.31 01:46:00 -
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Jack are you taking the **** with us?
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Dromidas Shadowmoon
Minmatar Storm Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.31 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Target
Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon When I needed to fix my sec status i fitted a cloak and went to 0.0, completely hostile area but just warp to a SS and cloak as soon as someone enters system. Safe, good money, but slow.
I don't like hostile areas in 0.0! I prefer to rat outside the corp/alliance HQ - I feel there is safety in numbers!
Hostile 0.0 is a scary place for me.
Right :) If you have blue 0.0 then rat there, but if I can survive in hostile doing that then it'll work for somewhat secure 0.0 too hehe _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it. |
Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition
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Posted - 2007.12.31 02:13:00 -
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The whole point of a cloak is that you can hide in a SS in hostile territory...
If you have a station nearby, docking is pretty much the same thing but then you can end up gettin' camped in. If it's your alliance HQ, WTF are hostiles doing catching your ratters?
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slothe
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.12.31 02:29:00 -
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dont believe this is serious tbh
nerf cloaks please and stop this now...
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Jack Target
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.31 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: IamBen Jack are you taking the **** with us?
No - I'm probably being over-cautious
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Ralara
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Posted - 2007.12.31 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Target What would happen if you warped to a safe spot, cloaked, and then did a logoffski (logged off)?
Would you warp to deep space cloaked or uncloaked (so the non-blues could probe you out)?
That's not a logoffski. Logoffski is when you log off in the middle of combat.
To answer the question, after a minute or so you decloak and warp off in a random direction and log off. I've done it a few times and survived.
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Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.31 12:38:00 -
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Cloaking devise is pretty much standard for ratting in 0.0 Even in "blue" space, roaming gangs can easily mesh thing up pretty fast with hit-n-run tactics against ratting BSs.
Train for and fit an improverd cloaking devise II if you have the CPU to spare for it. The penalties for the scan rez are much easier than the prototype one. I also recomend keeping things cheaper and away from faction modules for 0.0 ratting.
Evading pvp works in multiple ways. Remember than you cannot cloak while targeted by either NPCs or players.
1)Make sure you have 1-2 good SS in each system BEFORE you start ratting!
2)If the "red" jumps in: *you are not targeted by a rat in a belt -> cloak immidiately and start moving away from belt "entry" point. *in the middle of a rat-fight -> flee for a SS and cloak.
DO NOT LOG OFF! Even while cloaked...there is no way to be probed. Stay cloaked and provide intel to your friends for the enemy's location. You can stay cloaked for hours, it's perfectly safe. Loggin and reloggin could lead to a probe-trap and it's way un-safer than keeping your ship cloaked and moving - even with <30m/s.
If you can spare a second high slot, fit a 24km Heavy neut. It'll mess up almost any cruiser/has/recon that comes close to scram you. Draining an enemies cap can break his scram for you to warp out to a SS pretty surely and efficienlty. Then cloak and laugh at him in local
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.12.31 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: SwindonBadger on 31/12/2007 12:44:35 put a drone range moduel instead of the cloak and u will be much safer... coff coff.
what sloth says.
why is it a good idear to leave the cloak off, It makes it a whole lot more fun! for us :) and ull learn some skills in getting away the old fassioned day that will pay off for ever and ever amen
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Grytok
moon7empler Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.12.31 16:58:00 -
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Why am I not surprised to you asking this question, while seeing the alliance you're in .
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.12.31 20:35:00 -
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the point behind a cloak on a ratting ship is to do it immediately when someone eneters local so there is no chance you can get landed on. then log off while cloaked and 9.9 times out of ten your ship will autowarp and leave space before they have a chance to find you, and do enough dmg to kill you.
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nabort
Immoral Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.12.31 21:48:00 -
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If you are jumped in a belt by a hostile and are in the process of pewing rats, you wont be able to cloak because you cant cloak when you're being targetted.
And you do know why ISK farmers use cloaks? Because they're universally hunted, souless devils, deliberatly trying to debase the EVE economy in an attempt to destroy CCP and all of them are employed by WoW. Fitting a cloak makes you one of them...
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joshmorris
Ravenous Inc. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.31 22:17:00 -
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you should stay in the belt and fight for survival ...
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Jack Target
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.31 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Diomidis Cloaking devise is pretty much standard for ratting in 0.0 Even in "blue" space, roaming gangs can easily mesh thing up pretty fast with hit-n-run tactics against ratting BSs.
Train for and fit an improverd cloaking devise II if you have the CPU to spare for it. The penalties for the scan rez are much easier than the prototype one. I also recomend keeping things cheaper and away from faction modules for 0.0 ratting.
Evading pvp works in multiple ways. Remember than you cannot cloak while targeted by either NPCs or players.
1)Make sure you have 1-2 good SS in each system BEFORE you start ratting!
2)If the "red" jumps in: *you are not targeted by a rat in a belt -> cloak immidiately and start moving away from belt "entry" point. *in the middle of a rat-fight -> flee for a SS and cloak.
DO NOT LOG OFF! Even while cloaked...there is no way to be probed. Stay cloaked and provide intel to your friends for the enemy's location. You can stay cloaked for hours, it's perfectly safe. Loggin and reloggin could lead to a probe-trap and it's way un-safer than keeping your ship cloaked and moving - even with <30m/s.
If you can spare a second high slot, fit a 24km Heavy neut. It'll mess up almost any cruiser/has/recon that comes close to scram you. Draining an enemies cap can break his scram for you to warp out to a SS pretty surely and efficienlty. Then cloak and laugh at him in local
I like the idea of having a 24km heavy neut.
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