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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2008.01.02 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Memo Herdez Lets see what you professional forum flamers think of this:
I remember when people complained about Jita and how it lagged terribly with 400-600 people in it. Today I went there and it has almost 900 (I rarely go there, btw) and its laggy. I know CCP buffed the server/put a dedicated one/whatever. Putting in more hardware will, IMO, not fix the problem.
In a somewhat older thread, somebody stated a simple fact: People want to sell their stuff quickly and Jita is where it happens. Thats why it has turned into such a large trading hub. Thats really not CCP's fault nor is it under its control.
How about something like this: Traders love jita because they can sell their stuff quickly. Well, how about CONCORD (i.e. CCP) offer "tax breaks" in surrounding systems, that will make it worthwhile to the traders to move their wares there? I don't know how much of a difference this would actually make to the traders because I'm not one, but the general idea is to encourage people to move out of Jita, not artificially moving them out or forcing them out by removing stations/the system/whatever.
Flame away...
Buyers love Jita because the prices are low.
CCP needs to implement inexpensive high security space fedex with, say, a 3 jump range. Make it take 2 hours, 8 hours whatever for delivery. Make the cost based on m3 and put controls in so it's not exploitable.
Jita can still be the center of the universe, not everyone should have to go there to buy something there. That would spread the load out on all the surrounding systems.
Problem solved...
I don't go to New York to get a record, I hit a website and they deliver it to me for a reasonable fee.
Make it take 2 or 4 hours, whatever. Make it expensive enough so it's not feasible for large volume commerce but inexpensive enough so it doesn't kill someone trying to buy a battleship.
It's better than getting stuck in a Jita gate for 8 hours.
It's not far fetched to conceive of an intra day short haul delivery market in a high tech universe.
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Lady Aphra
External Forces A Gentle Tyranny
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Posted - 2008.01.02 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Harlequ1n It should really be this simple. A variable tax rate for each system, based on the number of transactions that occur in a 24 hour period, with a CCP override for 'hot spots'. The whole system becomes pretty much self regulating then. People will take their goods for sale to other systems if trade hubs (any trade hubs not just Jita) have something like a 40% tax rate. Ofc if you can afford this, go to the one-stop-shop and pay the tax, otherwise search out the best deals for buying and most importantly selling.
It also enables CCP to give tax breaks (0-5%?) to encourage market growth in the less populated regions, especially low-sec. This would further spread populations out, to the advantage of all the eve-community.
This is after all a fairly RL solution to control economies, and nothing new...
I broadly concur. This method allows for one mechanism to be put in place within the game's programming, and thus allows for similar problems in any trade hub system (Jita, Rens, a "new Jita") to be quickly, even automatically, addressed.
I don't agree with "tax breaks", as I believe all systems should have a minimum tax rate for such transactions. This should only be raised to address Jita-like problems. Then we would have one of those mystical ISK sinks that everybody seems to want so badly.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.01.02 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Shaemell Buttleson on 02/01/2008 11:27:09 systems that have over 4 or 500 pilots in it on a regular basis should be made lowsec.
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ApaKaka
The.Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.01.02 11:36:00 -
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Seriously. It's pretty easy.
1. Limit the amount of market orders one system like Jita can handle, either by locking market or raising tax in the loaded system. 2. Let Interbus deliver stuff to systems in 1-2 jumprange. If it's 1 jump away, have it be quick, something like 5 minutes.
Wham, people will get greedy because of taxes and start to populate the surrounding systems because of the convenience of deliveries, and the hubs will self-regulate.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.01.02 21:43:00 -
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Just read the news as I logged in a minute ago. Is this the start of CONCORD pulling out of Jita.
OMG I hope so!
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Seira Black
Companion Cube Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.02 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Seira Black on 02/01/2008 22:49:27 Sellers will list wherever the best volume and profit are. I've tried listing at the lowest price under Jita 1 jump before it, in the "pipe" route to the system and still outsold that listing with the same product with a 4:1 ratio that day (was a super-laggy evening in Jita, and I wanted to do a test case if people would buy/pickup outside Jita).
As long as there's a single market like Jita that does the same volume even a tax increase wouldn't keep sellers away, keep in-mind current taxes are already damn high for producers of high end goods. I'm still waiting for the tax-evasion skill..
The trick would be to try and localize more of that volume to the other major trade hubs. Tax breaks would be nice, but that's just added profit or savings for either party in the transaction, what they need is more demand and that can only come by driving buyers to the local hubs. I don't see reduced cost being a major driving factor as most of those hubs can be just as competitive already, but they do lack the sheer amount of selection.
If CCP could just figure out a solution to cluster and scale systems like Jita we wouldn't need kluge fixes to gameplay mechanics to solve a server load issue.
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Asmosis
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Posted - 2008.01.02 23:16:00 -
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Or you could not shop in Jita rather than come up with complicated and frustrating things for other players. It aint broke so theres no need to "fix" it.
Besides, Jita as a system is unimportant. Its just easier than saying "the system that everyone goes to".
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Thunderguts
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.01.03 03:31:00 -
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One idea might be to encourage markets to specialize in different types. You might for example let certain stations (mostly Gallente) have drone retail specialists, so if you buy your drones in those stations they have some inherent bonuses. Minmatar would have bonuses to projectile weapons, Amarr to armor and capacitor upgrades, Caldari to missiles, and so forth. This would encourage people to do their trading in multiple systems.
Another way would be to impose law and order on the empire markets, e.g. no Amarr ships sold in Minmatar stations, no warships (BC/BS and up) sold in high security space, and so on. If you had gun control laws such that you get a security hit for buying or selling medium-large and T2 weapons, you might actually end up with trade hubs in 0.0!
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Daelin Blackleaf
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.01.03 03:36:00 -
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No real contribution merely something I felt should be pointed out.
Jita is not just EVE's Walmart it is also EVE's Wall Street.
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