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3ll3
Gallente
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.01.03 00:23:00 -
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It is that time again when this mere bafoon an idiot start to open his mouth and spout his drivle once more and though it may have been better had I not done so I have been thinking much and maybe far too much as is often the case but I have noticed many things but even then find my self in awe of its sheer brilliance.
Once some one told me the only true absolute is death but that is not so, well not for we who fly capsules, we defy death and as such are as close to immortality as any mortal may dream of becoming and yet it does not seem to be enough, the human race is so flawed and imperfect yet just when you feel about ready to scratch it up as a lost cause they do some thing that makes you sit up and take notice again.
True they are capable of great evil but they are also capable of incredible good even the most darkest of souls have goodness in them take for example revan neferis many would consider the lady a demon and much worse but even then there are clues of great love and compassion especially toward jade constantine.
Of course this is but an example and no offence is meant to any one here in the IGS.
Now if we take this and extend the field of observation to further a field we will see so much more of the milk of human kindness in so many other forms, which brings me back to the what was said to me about the single absolute.
Perhaps though maybe not so that one possibly arguable absolute that can not be over come by the darkness in our hearts is the love we are all capable of sharing with each other and perhaps even bring about the end of all these wars and killing.
But then what do I knowà.
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2008.01.03 00:56:00 -
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Change is not permanent; Change is.
Humanity's flawed, and I'd never reach as far as to say the capsuleer community thereof isn't, in fact, we are for all intents and purposes perhaps the purest example of our human nature; in an environment where we are given all the means, more than the means we need, we constantly keep pushing, keep killing, for more. Enough will never be enough. On the flip side you see us many of us using those same means for good causes, or at least what we believe to be as such.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.01.03 01:45:00 -
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Setting God aside for this discussion, so we don't turn it into the classical theological debate we so many times have heard.
Humans are born with free will. Free will means you decide what you do in each time. Doing bad never means you can't do good next time. And the other way too. And sometimes even further, evils are needed to carry out a greater good, or goods are needed for a greater evil.
As with everything, the universe is but a shade of greys, and each one sees the scale in his own and different way. There are no absolutes, and as so, there are no absolute good nor absolute evil at all.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Bloodveil
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Posted - 2008.01.03 04:29:00 -
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 Originally by: 3ll3
... take for example revan neferis many would consider the lady a demon and much worse but even then there are clues of great love and compassion especially toward jade constantine.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
As absolute love consumes Absolutely.
Good and evil, two absolutes of ignorant minds that have nothing to do with it.
*nods softly with a suble smile to 3ll3 and Sepherim and shuts down the comms*
Originally by: ISD BH Eshtir
Ps.: I also know its hard to RP whith a Cyno Jammer.
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Midnighter
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.01.03 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: 3ll3
Once some one told me the only true absolute is death but that is not so, well not for we who fly capsules, we defy death and as such are as close to immortality as any mortal may dream of becoming and yet it does not seem to be enough, the human race is so flawed and imperfect yet just when you feel about ready to scratch it up as a lost cause they do some thing that makes you sit up and take notice again.
Your assertion is interesting but fuindamentally flawed.
We capsuleers do not defy death and neither do we escape it.
Instead we are tied to it inexorably.
We will die again, and again, and again and again.
Death is absolute, but first you need to understand what it is and what it means. Then you will see death and rebirth are one concept and in it's entirety it is perfect in form and unfettered without limitation and is ultimately eternal.
That is what it means to be absolute.
Entropy is the movement of energy, which can neither be created nor destroyed.
That is the causality of all things.
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G0rF
Gallente
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.01.03 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: G0rF on 03/01/2008 14:43:19
Originally by: 3ll3
It is that time again when this mere bufoon an idiot start to open his mouth and spout his drivel once more, and though it may have been better had I not done so...
Well, there we go.
What are you asking?
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Revy Daidros
Gallente
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.01.03 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Revy Daidros on 03/01/2008 14:57:59
Originally by: 3ll3
It is that time again when this mere bafoon an idiot start to open his mouth and spout his drivle once more and though it may have been better had I not done so...
The only idiot is one who holds in his voice. You are no buffoon 3ll3, and at least I for one hope that someday our worlds will be filled with less conflict. Perhaps in my hope I find purpose, a drive to make the verse a better place. Cleansing it of hatred and spite.
But who am I really kidding, huh? I'm here because I want to be. I like the feeling it gives me, the looks from those station bound when I step out of my hanger, the rush.
Yes, I work towards cleaning up pockets of hatred in the universe, but I don't think of the incredible good in those souls I'm charged with destroying. Perhaps it is I, who is the buffoon.
Your capacity for love and forgiveness are perhaps your greatest strengths, friend.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.01.04 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Midnighter
Your assertion is interesting but fuindamentally flawed.
We capsuleers do not defy death and neither do we escape it.
Instead we are tied to it inexorably.
We will die again, and again, and again and again.
Death is absolute, but first you need to understand what it is and what it means. Then you will see death and rebirth are one concept and in it's entirety it is perfect in form and unfettered without limitation and is ultimately eternal.
That is what it means to be absolute.
Entropy is the movement of energy, which can neither be created nor destroyed.
That is the causality of all things.
Actually, this assertion is flawed too. Death has not been avoided by us at all, only delayed. Somewhere, be it near or far, a clone jump won't be activated, or even all clones may be destroyed, or a sun may explode and take all the clones with it. It can be anything.
It is true, the probability of it happening is really small. But every small probability takes place, sooner or later, during the length of an eternity. It is simple mathematics. Nothing can escape death.
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Midnighter
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.01.04 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Midnighter on 04/01/2008 11:15:29
Originally by: Sepherim
Actually, this assertion is flawed too. Death has not been avoided by us at all, only delayed. Somewhere, be it near or far, a clone jump won't be activated, or even all clones may be destroyed, or a sun may explode and take all the clones with it. It can be anything.
It is true, the probability of it happening is really small. But every small probability takes place, sooner or later, during the length of an eternity. It is simple mathematics. Nothing can escape death.
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Midnighter
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.01.04 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Midnighter on 04/01/2008 11:15:12
Seems I am having a console failuire here. Ignore this double post.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.01.05 02:35:00 -
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My wrong then, Mr Midnighter, I apologize deeply. The recurring use of "again and again" drew me to the image of an eternal cycle, which indeed you never suggested.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Bloodveil
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Posted - 2008.01.07 16:07:00 -
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Love one, absolutely and with all your soul. Kill the rest.
This solves all the complexities and needless philosophical debates.
Originally by: ISD BH Eshtir
Ps.: I also know its hard to RP whith a Cyno Jammer.
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Wanoah
Minmatar
Msana Foundation
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Posted - 2008.01.07 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Love one, absolutely and with all your soul. Kill the rest.
This solves all the complexities and needless philosophical debates.
Well, that would also solve the problem of infidelity. What with everyone else being dead and all. It will be a bummer for the kids though.
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Violet Tallora
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Posted - 2008.01.08 01:52:00 -
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interesting how one not of amarrian blood can try to think for them selves, pointless that they should try to do so and should be encouraged via the whip and shock collar to be silent and to speak only when spoken to. the Intaki make for great eye candy and much fun for nightly pursuits but should be trained to have no will or mind of their own such as this one should. 3ll3 you will report to my bed chambers for proper amarrian training failer to do will result in most unpleasant consequences on your part!
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3ll3
Gallente
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.01.08 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Love one, absolutely and with all your soul. Kill the rest.
This solves all the complexities and needless philosophical debates.
Only problem with that my dear Ms Neferiwha ti fever one else does not wish to be killed, it does sadly put a crimp in such a plan.
Oh and I do hope your vacation was relaxing.
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JucyLucy
Gallente
En-Slavers
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Midnighter
I'm very sorry, but I don't follow your logic.
I don't say anywhere that we avoid death, but that we die repeatedly and through this are reborn.
Did you misread me, or did I misread you?
Like when did a slave ever like understand logic?
(.)(.) Seeing is believing
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The Ice'Demon
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:42:00 -
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The only true absolute is god
and as such thou must repent
and learn to walk the path of
light where the lord shall
smile down unto thou, there
can be no absolute save for god
embrace his glory and be saved!
Absolution of the truth faith
is the only path way to salvation;
thou must tread the pious path of
god if thou are to be saved from
thous most wicked of ways!
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.01.08 04:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sepherim on 08/01/2008 04:15:36
To be judged by one's race instead of one's word. How typical and predictable. Good to know there are few arguments against my words, if you have to resort to such attacks.
As for the mass murders, Miss Neferis, you know I don't fathom avoidable deaths. Voices shouldn't be silenced with guns, but with words.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Heretic Army
The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.08 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim
To be judged by one's race instead of one's word.
Not to be too confrontational, but isn't that what the Amarr Empire and all of its doctrines do?
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Avel Kereka
Amarr
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.01.08 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: Avel Kereka on 08/01/2008 05:42:51
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Sepherim
To be judged by one's race instead of one's word.
Not to be too confrontational, but isn't that what the Amarr Empire and all of its doctrines do?
*sigh* We judge based on one's race and one's word, subtle difference. Now to steer back to the original topic since these always end up being polemics on how the Empire is coming to eat you...
Revan has the right of it... focus your passion and forget needless questions. We do not die, no, but that simply extends the human experience for us--it doesn't change it. You will see more than most people ever will, and it will raise more questions than most people will ever ask; but happiness is as simple as it always was.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Bloodveil
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Posted - 2008.01.10 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim
As for the mass murders, Miss Neferis, you know I don't fathom avoidable deaths. Voices shouldn't be silenced with guns, but with words.
The only voice that is worth to be heard and silenced is the voice of love.
Heard with esctasy, savoring each stream of words that falls from the lover's mouth as well crafted yet natural divine pearls...
And silenced with ardent kisses, breathless and eternal.
To All the rest, cheap guns. Virus, infiltration, morphs, drinking death.
Silence the rest. The Universe is better without their cheap echoes.
Originally by: ISD BH Eshtir
Ps.: I also know its hard to RP whith a Cyno Jammer.
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