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Zandri Camar Rulers Of Mankind	Posted - 2008.01.03 01:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Zandri Camar on 03/01/2008 01:34:37 Hey everyone. One of my friends that i got into Eve did something i find really lame. He bought 1 billion isk off some website then proceeded to buy a Rokh. I believe he only has about 3.5mil SP and I'm trying to make him realize that he's not even close to being ready to pilot one. What do you think is the minimum SP a pilot should have before getting in a Rokh without being an easy kill for some lucky pirates that stumble upon him?
General Minos Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2008.01.03 03:33:00 - [2] SP don't determine your survivability as much as knowing what to do in certain situations and playing smart. There is no answer to your question although I would definately not advise your friend to fly something that he cannot fit properly with Tech 2 items.
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.03 05:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Zandri Camar Edited by: Zandri Camar on 03/01/2008 01:34:37 Hey everyone. One of my friends that i got into Eve did something i find really lame. He bought 1 billion isk off some website then proceeded to buy a Rokh. I believe he only has about 3.5mil SP and I'm trying to make him realize that he's not even close to being ready to pilot one. What do you think is the minimum SP a pilot should have before getting in a Rokh without being an easy kill for some lucky pirates that stumble upon him? I flew a Thron at around 7mil SP. It was crap. Utterly. I'm at over 30mil SP now, and I've only just got to a level where I can compete to a good standard. Pushing it, and I mean like - everything specced into BS - probably about 13-15mil, effectively enough. You should report your friend to CCP about that, tbh. That, or send him to me, and we'll remove him from that ship, with a couple of T1 Cruisers. :) Izo Azlion. ---
Pliss Bellows	Posted - 2008.01.03 10:36:00 - [4] Well, SP really depend on how they are set of course. I bought my first Rokh with ~9M SP and started getting a feeling for it in L3 missions first. After a while I realized that I should try L4 missions and they go OK. They ain't going smooth yet as I sometimes do need to warp out and in again, but I get them done. That is with med/low slots T2 stuff but T1 gunnery since I haven't got all those skills at L5 yet and won't for the better of 2 month.
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.03 11:36:00 - [5] i have over 50mil sp, and i am almost happy with my combat related skills in at least 2 races now. although, iv beaten people with alot high sp than me becuase iv kept my head and thought things though, rush and panicing is what makes u lose pvp most time,, that or silly mstakes
Shinoe DeValo	Posted - 2008.01.03 13:06:00 - [6] A question of mine would be: what has he in mind to do with that pretty ship? L2 missions? Rat hunting in 0.8? Courier runs or PvP? If he just wants to sit in there to enjoy the sight, he has more then enough SP. If he actually wants to shoot anything with it, he'll most probably lose it, except for highsec beltrats.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.03 13:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Zandri Camar Edited by: Zandri Camar on 03/01/2008 01:34:37 Hey everyone. One of my friends that i got into Eve did something i find really lame. He bought 1 billion isk off some website then proceeded to buy a Rokh. I believe he only has about 3.5mil SP and I'm trying to make him realize that he's not even close to being ready to pilot one. What do you think is the minimum SP a pilot should have before getting in a Rokh without being an easy kill for some lucky pirates that stumble upon him? The best thing to do is recommend your friend to start a new account... If he's bought ISK in any other way than through GTC's, he'll be banned soon. EVE History Wiki
The Tzar	Posted - 2008.01.03 14:49:00 - [8] Hmmmm, maybe 3.5M SP is asking for trouble flying a rokh but you don't need massive skills to make it useful in a gang. This char of mine is not quite a year old and I would never fly my rokh in gangs of less than 6 making sure there is at least one other BS in gang but it can be a very effective blaster boat for one reason, it's range. I think as long as you can fly it with a T2 fit it's gonna be an effective damage dealer.
Steyr Daghan thx for all the fish Minuit.	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Steyr Daghan on 03/01/2008 22:41:39 Originally by: Zandri Camar Edited by: Zandri Camar on 03/01/2008 01:34:37 Hey everyone. One of my friends that i got into Eve did something i find really lame. He bought 1 billion isk off some website then proceeded to buy a Rokh. I believe he only has about 3.5mil SP and I'm trying to make him realize that he's not even close to being ready to pilot one. What do you think is the minimum SP a pilot should have before getting in a Rokh without being an easy kill for some lucky pirates that stumble upon him? Obviously that depends on how those SP have been used. If you train specifically for a rokh with a particular setup then 3.5 mil could get you somewhere. To fit and fly it well is another matter. But it's not the point. The point is that your friend (or is it your "friend") is an idiot. Buying isk for money and getting expensive stuff only produces a noob with more valuable loot in his wrecks. EDIT: What I am saying is that with 3.5 mil on his first eve-char, your friend is easy pickings for pirates no matter how skilled his char is, since he's got no clue what he is doing. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I was gonna make a cool sig-picture, it was gonna have hot babes, spaceships and stufff... ...but I spent my time playing EVE instead
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.04 06:38:00 - [10] i think with 3.5mil sp you could run level 4s with a raven although that would be assuming with no learning skills trained and just all enr/missiles oh and get your friend to go into lowsec

Grayclay Caldari Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.04 06:51:00 - [11] Edited by: Grayclay on 04/01/2008 06:52:16 The best you can do with a BS at that level is missions. I have about 4.8 mil SP, and regardless of what people tell me, I'm determined to get into a Rokh (its the coolest looking ship in the game, if you ask me). I know its a bad idea, and I know that I won't be able to use it to its full ability, but i figure that if I only use it for missions and for 10+ man gate camps sitting 150+ km off the gate, I shouldn't have to worry.
Chemical Castration Chemical Castration Lotto	Posted - 2008.01.04 08:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton i think with 3.5mil sp you could run level 4s with a raven You can run L4's in a Raven w/ about 1.5m sp with all named gear. You might have to warp out some, but you can do them faster than any other race at 1.5m SP afaik.
Damares Maximum Yarrage	Posted - 2008.01.04 16:56:00 - [13] My blaster skills are pretty ****, but ive had decent success with a rokh before, thats t2 tank and caldari BS 5 backing it up but i only have large blasters 4 so no t2 there, with best named neutrons it still had good damage and could shoot silly distances with blasters, infact i prefered it to my raven in small gang (and by small gang i mean 2 dudes ) due to its super tank. ive got nearly 16million sp now but considering my meh gunnery and no t2 lasters i think it was a good ship. i self destructed it a few days ago, it got caught by a bunch of recons off station... their buddies arrived soon after, i tanked em for about 10 minutes before realising i wasnt going anywhere and decided to self destruct it to deny them the loot. never the less, awesome ship, the isk buying is seriously dumb.... if your gonna buy ISK atleast sell a GTC.... at 3.5million sp i think lack of expereince is gonna be what kills him, he can probably fit it with large modules e.t.c but no t2 and weak support skills, in which case, stick to the missions, made a rokh pilot with about that much sp sing for his ship not to long ago, we broke him with a vexor and a rax (both t2'd out)
floater666	Posted - 2008.01.04 19:36:00 - [14] Edited by: floater666 on 04/01/2008 19:37:28 Edited by: floater666 on 04/01/2008 19:36:17 I recommend playing with the ship fitting tool and not listening to braging players who play a single computer game for many years now and complaining that 50 million SP is not enough. In short: I tested it With 3.5mill spec. trained SP you CAN fit a ROKH that will do only 20% less damage and will tank 30% less with 10% less effective hp than with a player with INFINITE l33t skills. If anyone thinks that this difference will mean the loosing of your gang in which you are is hmm. The difference is another noob in a cruiser in the gang. For solo PvP of course every percent counts, but EVE fails in solo PvP heavily anyway if you dont count in the speed tanking will be nerfed broken ships. PS: Ok I forgot it will be less agile by 20%. Nah what.
Gadawan	Posted - 2008.01.04 20:47:00 - [15] Well, I'm flying an Abaddon with 6m SP (mostly in combat skills) and have no problems running LVL 4 missions. PVP is out of the question with BS's of course, but PVE is just fine.
Romar Zennith	Posted - 2008.01.05 00:49:00 - [16] i agree with floater. 3.5mil would be OK if u have pals to fly with. solo pvp, on the other hand, certainly wouldnt be a good idea.
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.05 11:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Zandri Camar Edited by: Zandri Camar on 03/01/2008 01:34:37 Hey everyone. One of my friends that i got into Eve did something i find really lame. He bought 1 billion isk off some website then proceeded to buy a Rokh. I believe he only has about 3.5mil SP and I'm trying to make him realize that he's not even close to being ready to pilot one. What do you think is the minimum SP a pilot should have before getting in a Rokh without being an easy kill for some lucky pirates that stumble upon him? First off, tell him to petition himself and surrender the ISK If he won't, let him fit out his rokh however he thinks best and then give him the most practical demonstration possible of his lack of skills... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.05 11:17:00 - [18] Originally by: floater666 Edited by: floater666 on 04/01/2008 19:37:28 Edited by: floater666 on 04/01/2008 19:36:17 I recommend playing with the ship fitting tool and not listening to braging players who play a single computer game for many years now and complaining that 50 million SP is not enough. In short: I tested it With 3.5mill spec. trained SP you CAN fit a ROKH that will do only 20% less damage and will tank 30% less with 10% less effective hp than with a player with INFINITE l33t skills. If anyone thinks that this difference will mean the loosing of your gang in which you are is hmm. The difference is another noob in a cruiser in the gang. For solo PvP of course every percent counts, but EVE fails in solo PvP heavily anyway if you dont count in the speed tanking will be nerfed broken ships. PS: Ok I forgot it will be less agile by 20%. Nah what. Quoted for extreme hilarity. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
floater666	Posted - 2008.01.05 12:56:00 - [19] Edited by: floater666 on 05/01/2008 13:01:21 Edited by: floater666 on 05/01/2008 12:57:38 Malcanis: I did not use a paper tiger setup just to prove my numbers correct. In fact I did use a set up which is used by many digitally and RL skilled PvPers. Only I did replace some T2 with affordable named... Assuming otherwise makes you just a forum troll, and that is why I dont care to elaborate on the very exact setup anyway. You are QFT (quoted for trolling)
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.05 17:22:00 - [20] Originally by: floater666 Edited by: floater666 on 05/01/2008 13:01:21 Edited by: floater666 on 05/01/2008 12:57:38 Malcanis: I did not use a paper tiger setup just to prove my numbers correct. In fact I did use a set up which is used by many digitally and RL skilled PvPers. Only I did replace some T2 with affordable named... Assuming otherwise makes you just a forum troll, and that is why I dont care to elaborate on the very exact setup anyway. You are QFT (quoted for trolling) I wish you only the best with your EFT-tested solution. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

Leora Nomen Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.06 05:59:00 - [21] In eve player skill and friends are more important than your character's skill. You can have a 60m sp character in a Rokh and still be an easy gank to a group of roaming pirates. On the other hand you can have 3 mil sp fly a Rokh with a gang of your friends and kill other ships successfully without getting squished yourself. And if you have the ISK to support your play style there is really nothing that is in your way of doing what you want. If you can purchase tens of billions of ISK there's really no one who should be telling you to not fly faction fitted battleships into pvp even if you lack skills. Majority of players do not buy ISK and so are weary of spending it on useless things, like ships they cannot pilot effectively. In EVE players grind for ISK not skills like in some other games and so all players eventually realize that overspending and inefficient spending of ISK is bad. But if you buy ISK and don't care much to lose it there's really nothing stopping you from flying biggest baddest ships in game. Also, you should petition your friend just in case he bought from ISK farmers. If he wants to buy ISK he should do it in a way that is not against the EULA - through purchase of game time codes. If he bought ISK via codes purchased from some website he is fine, but if he bought it from farmers sooner or later he is going to lose it and end up with negative wallet balance being unable to do such things as update his clone or sell anything or market until he earns the 1b back. guide to game time codes
Kashmar Akichu Caldari The Vorlon Empire Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.01.07 01:45:00 - [22] Edited by: Kashmar Akichu on 07/01/2008 01:45:48 Originally by: Zandri Camar Edited by: Zandri Camar on 03/01/2008 01:34:37 Hey everyone. One of my friends that i got into Eve did something i find really lame. He bought 1 billion isk off some website then proceeded to buy a Rokh. I believe he only has about 3.5mil SP and I'm trying to make him realize that he's not even close to being ready to pilot one. What do you think is the minimum SP a pilot should have before getting in a Rokh without being an easy kill for some lucky pirates that stumble upon him? I could technically fly a Rokh at ~1.8M SP, but I couldn't really do much.. didn't have skills to boost shield, stick proper turrets on etc.. I'd say you need atleast 4 mill SP to be able to fly one effectively. A LOT more if you want to PvP in it. ------------------------------------- Bill Gates: What's that?!? Steve Jobs: It's an iHouse! Bill Gates: But there's no windows... Steve Jobs: EXACTLY! HAHAHAHA!
Saana Nara	Posted - 2008.01.07 11:57:00 - [23] It mostly depends on what your friend wants it for. I wouldnt bring it out for PvP but it will still be a fine ship for mission running. Id managed to save enough money for a Rokh before I got to 3.5Mil SP. At the time I could fit nearly all T2 modules (except weapons and drones) and it was only a few days before I did have all T2 in the rest of the ship. I still wouldnt go anywhere near lowsec tho. That ship is too expensive to lose.
Captain Megiria Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.01.10 16:20:00 - [24] he can fly it and make money in just fit a bunch of minning lasers. about the isk buying i think others where clear enough. Some one told me that war is ugly and dirty Some one told me that war is costly and messy Some one told me that war is useless and painfull But no one told me that war is our nature and destiny
Adelorae24 Caldari Black Podding	Posted - 2008.01.10 20:14:00 - [25] For pvp at least the Rokh is very skill intensive. I had a Raven in fairly short order when I first started playing, and only now after 16 months do I feel as though I'm starting to become effective with it. When you first get a big fancy ship you think it's going to pwn everything just because it's big and fancy. New players realize as time goes on that as you reach higher and higher skill levels ships like the Rokh go from being big and fancy to being absolute monsters (see improved torp Raven). Then there's all these new people who think that just because they have a 30 Mil SP character with 1 billion isk purchased online that they will be able to take on anyone. They usually find out the expensive way that practice makes perfect. You can't buy experience on ebay. Alien (1979): "Before we dock, I think we ought to discuss the bonus situation."
Vecton	Posted - 2008.01.11 05:38:00 - [26] que?
Wayward Hooligan Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.11 09:23:00 - [27] Caldari BS 4 Large Blaster Spec 4 Large Railgun Spec 4 t2 Shield Tank t2 Weapon Mods t2 100mn MWD Fitting skills to fit full rack of guns + tank + lows ie Elec 5, Eng 5, Weapon Upgrade 5, AWU 4. . .. WELP! .. .
Jain Za Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.11 11:43:00 - [28] Your friend will learn sooner or later that battleships are one of the games most skill intensive ships. I'd imagine that a mediocre commandship pilot could take that Rokh down. Oh and the GM's could probably find the name of your friend from your chat/mail logs .
Possesive Caldari GALAXIAN RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.11 12:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Kashmar Akichu Edited by: Kashmar Akichu on 07/01/2008 01:45:48 Originally by: Zandri Camar Edited by: Zandri Camar on 03/01/2008 01:34:37 Hey everyone. One of my friends that i got into Eve did something i find really lame. He bought 1 billion isk off some website then proceeded to buy a Rokh. I believe he only has about 3.5mil SP and I'm trying to make him realize that he's not even close to being ready to pilot one. What do you think is the minimum SP a pilot should have before getting in a Rokh without being an easy kill for some lucky pirates that stumble upon him? I could technically fly a Rokh at ~1.8M SP, but I couldn't really do much.. didn't have skills to boost shield, stick proper turrets on etc.. I'd say you need atleast 4 mill SP to be able to fly one effectively. A LOT more if you want to PvP in it. You would need 4 mil in gunnery just be good at large rails in a Rohk. @Floater; Saying he can fly the ship with %20 less stats (using that figure as it appears alot in your post) means nothing really considering the largest problem he will face is using the bonuses and making the ship count for something more than a target for pirates. 3.5 mil sp isnt going to let him achieve alot, your EFT fit isnt even applicable as we dont know his sp layout, but I would like to see your Rohk versus mine.
Malcanis 5 finger discounteers	Posted - 2008.01.11 12:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Jain Za Your friend will learn sooner or later that battleships are one of the games most skill intensive ships. I'd imagine that a mediocre commandship pilot could take that Rokh down. Commandship? A harbinger with a tracking disruptor would be bad news for that Rokh... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

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