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Daeva Vios
Ares Arms and Modules LLC
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:30:00 -
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Unfortunately, these are not bugs you're dealing with. They're forum regulars, and you posted attempting to get access to their money. Then you proceeded to insult them.
Way to go.
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Trilori
Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:39:00 -
[122]
hey "I'm digging my grave for me so I can put all your iskies in it with me!"
Yeah thats what you're doing alright, good job at it too.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:47:00 -
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regulars. they have this elitism among them where they think because they post often on the forums they are somehow better than others noob-MDer's and this smugness is apparent in all their posts. not all regulars are like this but shadarle and lavista vista are.
the extreme misfotune is the fact that people seem to listen to these. people seem to be attracted to their self assigned expertise and these "regulars" have unjustified influence on the forum.
they use this influence, intentionally or otherwise, to benefit mainly themselves.
they do this by attacking and criticising relentlessly new people on the forums. often they band together, unplanned i hope, to attack others on the forum. i suffered this, i made an "inappropriate" post then Ricdic attacked me. then the entirely of MD descended upon me. ricdic had a lot of standing in this forum and even though he did not mean for the consequence to unfold in this manner (i hope), his apparent disapproval of me spread like AIDS to anyone that read his post, they registered immediately me as a bad person.
this hivemind disgusts me and i am an enemy to this non-thinking and all those who associate themselves with it.
and these people are limited in number. but their consistent and unwelcomed posts in my thread paint them as the major if not only group.
this is not me fighting MD or EVE or investors or regulars. i am attacking a limited subset of people and anyone who support or defend them.
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SonOfAGhost
Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas my standing in my community generally does not suffer.
No idea what community that might be, but perhaps you could get them to invest? Unless of course the reason your standing with them doesn't suffer is because it's already as low as it can get...hey, that's just like here! ---
Originally by: Treelox Dear Mod,
Yes it was worth it.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Trilori hey "I'm digging my grave for me so I can put all your iskies in it with me!"
Yeah thats what you're doing alright, good job at it too.
yet another attack of my credibility. you are basically accusing me of planning to steal all the money because i have been shot down by some child-monkies. seriously what do you plan to accomplish here. is it to pass time flaming me? is it to prevent people from investing me? are you trying to destroy me as a businessperson?
all you do in fighting with me at best is showing that you are at the same level at me. while the mere thought of that makes my skin crawl, i need to remind you that you have been here longer than me and you have more reputation to throw away.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: SonOfAGhost
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas my standing in my community generally does not suffer.
No idea what community that might be, but perhaps you could get them to invest? Unless of course the reason your standing with them doesn't suffer is because it's already as low as it can get...hey, that's just like here!
hivemind pessimist 003
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Daeva Vios
Ares Arms and Modules LLC
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:56:00 -
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Reputation is not self-assigned, it is based on the perceptions of others. When others perceive you as knowing what you're talking about, they listen and respect you. When others perceive you as being rude and generally ignorant, they stop listening.
All regulars in this forum can, at times, be rude. All can, at times, be ignorant. Thing is, they all have displayed, at some point or another, that they do know what they are talking about in a general sense.
You haven't displayed this. What you've displayed is this "fight the power!" mentality shared by so many recent visitors. I understand it's attractive to feel like a true rebel and try to buck the system, but there's no system to buck here. There's no group in the back room, laughing over glasses of scotch about how they're going to trivialize someone just because they want to. The fact is, there doesn't need to be. The sort who would be singled out for ridicule single themselves out.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Daeva Vios Edited by: Daeva Vios on 14/01/2008 14:56:59 Reputation is not self-assigned, it is based on the perceptions of others. When others perceive you as knowing what you're talking about, they listen and respect you. When others perceive you as being rude and generally ignorant, they stop listening.
All regulars in this forum can, at times, be rude. All can, at times, be ignorant. Thing is they've all displayed, at some point or another, that they do know what they are talking about in a general sense.
You haven't displayed this. What you've displayed is this "fight the power!" mentality shared by so many recent visitors. I understand it's attractive to feel like a true rebel and try to buck the system, but there's no system to buck here. There's no group in the back room, laughing over glasses of scotch about how they're going to trivialize someone just because they want to. The fact is, there doesn't need to be. The sort who would be singled out for ridicule single themselves out.
do you deny the fact that these regulars make awfully bad argument many times and then have people agree with them and even defend them just because they post very often.
the elitism is prevalent. i do not want anything to do with it but i have come under attack by it. and i must defend myself and make my stand. and its either sucking it up, quieting down or che guevera it.
the last one is the least boring.
and no they dont sip scotch while dissecting the new denizen's post. they are more like schoolyard bullies, many of them dont really want to do it but hey somebody already started might as well kick him while he is down.
are you with the man??
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Daeva Vios
Ares Arms and Modules LLC
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Daeva Vios on 14/01/2008 15:13:58 You're 'the man' as is everyone else. There's no power to fight. I'm terribly sorry to disappoint you.
There is a reason behind it, and it's not because they're mean. You've been around a little while, I know you've seen it before. Use your head. Most of these folks are pretty nice or at least indifferent. They're hardly schoolyard bullies jumping on you because they've been peer pressured into it.
I'm not trying to insult you, but you must admit you're being hostile. Whether it's because you're mad (somewhat understandable), incompetent (not my bet, but people have suggested it here) or simply have some rage you'd like to take out against an imaginary machine (see what I did there?!) this is not the right place to vent those feelings or wave those conditions.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
do you deny the fact that these regulars make awfully bad argument many times and then have people agree with them and even defend them just because they post very often.
At least you dont go as far as saying we are all alts(I have been acused of being Deathgrips alt, aswell as Ridic's ), which the visitors before you did.
Also, since when was it a regulars vs. you? As far as i know, Shadarle, Fury Banker, Ray(Runs a major bank too), and other major names will HAPPILY point out and destroy any bad arguments.
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Daeva Vios
Ares Arms and Modules LLC
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
do you deny the fact that these regulars make awfully bad argument many times and then have people agree with them and even defend them just because they post very often.
At least you dont go as far as saying we are all alts(I have been acused of being Deathgrips alt, aswell as Ridic's ), which the visitors before you did.
Also, since when was it a regulars vs. you? As far as i know, Shadarle, Fury Banker, Ray(Runs a major bank too), and other major names will HAPPILY point out and destroy any bad arguments.
Cannibalism breeds smarter, faster market regulars!!
Run fast or get eaten by your own kind!
Good times.
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:25:00 -
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I think the main problem was that your "inapropriate" post on the other person's IPO/Bond kinda shone a little light on your personality. This in itself wasn't a major issue as you are hotheaded (safe to assume).
Unfortunately all the people we have thus far seen with this same personality trait have ended up being scammers themselves. Now your hot headedness continued a bit with your posts calling people names etc etc. This again is precisely the same trait that scammers, bad business managers or generally morons have used.
Maybe you have been unfairly categorised. But here in these forums we rate public ventures in this fashion. Your hot headedness trait has been seen in others and in those cases it has always been an unsavoury result.
Riethe (responded personally when attacked) Miss Fiona General Starscream Wylker (Wylker especially you remind me of) Ufl/Lin Li/other Ufl alts
When people haven't gotten others into their investment some of the above people have gone to other IPO/competing ventures and trolled them.
Yours was a little different as you were simply calling a bet. But if you consider me choosing/stating not to invest in you because of this hot headedness a personal attack, then your 'bet' was absolutely a personal attack on the OP of that thread.
I guess it's one of those things. Sometimes people hide the hot headedness until after they sell out their bond/offerings (Wylker) whereas others do it when they don't get their own way or people refuse to invest in them.
You are right, people generally do follow me a bit (more than I would like). There is a bandwagon and it does get jumped on. But a lot of the people in this thread who have agreed with me aren't of that sentiment. They don't follow what I say and some of them probably don't even like me . To name a few in this thread who have agreed but wouldn't be part of the 'sheep' field are:
LaVista Vista - probably is a bit of a sheep but he was trolling you long before I did
Shadarle - No way in hell he is a sheep. We have gone head to head on more than one occasion, there's no secret love child brewing in that belly.
Kwint Sommer - Unknow with Kwint. Fairly new to these forums but seems to be someone who thinks on his own
Trilori - Well he had an opinion of you before this thread but he is definetly a Ricdic sheep.
Minerva Vulcan - Not sure about Minerva. We haven't really spoken that much, his posts haven't really led me to believe he is a full blown sheep. Maybe an apprentice one.
YouGotRipped - Well, no-one cares what he has to say anyway. 50% of his posts are trolls and the other 50% people spend trying to figure out if it's a troll or legitimate post.
See you believe I personally attacked you based on this post and this followup post. I didn't call you a scam. I didn't suggest you were a scam. I simply said that my personal opinion of you had degraded based on the post. Sure I had a bit of a go at you regarding where you were going to pay for the bet money.
Anyway, I have pretty much repeated myself once again. There are only maybe 6 people who have said they wouldn't invest based on that situation. Of those 1 is me, 1 is in no way a sheep, 2 were calling scam before I even read your OP, and the other 2 are fairly new to these forums.
Funnily enough LV has the same hot headedness you do. It's what caused his first IPO to come crashing to the floor before it got sold (plus his CEO was insane). The only way LV could get a bearing on things was by going with a secured offering. Sure, he's still a hothead and he still has these cute little vendetta's, but people generally just let him go nuts. Some get the ****s at him (FL etc) but most just let him go wild.
Anyways, maybe get mods to close this thread and see about refining your business plan a bit, focus on some of the suggestions fastlearner had in that other guys post and come back in a few weeks with a clear head and a fresh forum post, not this bad smell.
Good luck.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
do you deny the fact that these regulars make awfully bad argument many times and then have people agree with them and even defend them just because they post very often.
At least you dont go as far as saying we are all alts(I have been acused of being Deathgrips alt, aswell as Ridic's ), which the visitors before you did.
Also, since when was it a regulars vs. you? As far as i know, Shadarle, Fury Banker, Ray(Runs a major bank too), and other major names will HAPPILY point out and destroy any bad arguments.
as i said about 5 posts above its not me against EvE or MD or regulars or whatever. its me against the NON-THINKING hivemind zerglings.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe
Anyway, I have pretty much repeated myself once again. There are only maybe 6 people who have said they wouldn't invest based on that situation. Of those 1 is me, 1 is in no way a sheep, 2 were calling scam before I even read your OP, and the other 2 are fairly new to these forums.
Funnily enough LV has the same hot headedness you do. It's what caused his first IPO to come crashing to the floor before it got sold (plus his CEO was insane). The only way LV could get a bearing on things was by going with a secured offering. Sure, he's still a hothead and he still has these cute little vendetta's, but people generally just let him go nuts. Some get the ****s at him (FL etc) but most just let him go wild.
Anyways, maybe get mods to close this thread and see about refining your business plan a bit, focus on some of the suggestions fastlearner had in that other guys post and come back in a few weeks with a clear head and a fresh forum post, not this bad smell.
Good luck.
Are you sure you dont mean redheaded?
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Are you sure you dont mean redheaded?
You are hotheaded. You kinda just get these personal grudges and go nuts, usually posting without thinking. Some of your posts I just put my head down like an "I don't know that person" kind of thing.
As for Trilori. Well he is new to these forums trying to jump right into it. But he has a large amount to learn, misses a lot of basic things, and his biggest issue is probably his lack of game knowledge that gets exacerbated (spelling?) when he authoratively posts in the MD forums.
To the OP once more. You have mentioned Trilori as someone reputable, who has been around longer than you etc. This isn't necessarily true, Trilori has only been on the MD forums maybe a month and has been called plenty of names by the MD regulars. He has a long (long long) way to go, kinda reminds me of a tadpole version of LaVista.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe
Originally by: LaVista Vista Are you sure you dont mean redheaded?
You are hotheaded. You kinda just get these personal grudges and go nuts, usually posting without thinking. Some of your posts I just put my head down like an "I don't know that person" kind of thing.
As for Trilori. Well he is new to these forums trying to jump right into it. But he has a large amount to learn, misses a lot of basic things, and his biggest issue is probably his lack of game knowledge that gets exacerbated (spelling?) when he authoratively posts in the MD forums.
To the OP once more. You have mentioned Trilori as someone reputable, who has been around longer than you etc. This isn't necessarily true, Trilori has only been on the MD forums maybe a month and has been called plenty of names by the MD regulars. He has a long (long long) way to go, kinda reminds me of a tadpole version of LaVista.
oh what trilori is a zergling too?
oh lawd all this time i thought he is a regular. he does post as if he owns the forum but his stupidity permeates the air like methane does. most likely not coincidental.
oh lawd
trilori is a zergling lawd!!!!
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:52:00 -
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Ok, now that you have publically **********d you should read the rest of the post where I suggest you take FL points under consideration and hide under a rock for a few weeks then come back stronger than ever.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe Ok, now that you have publically **********d you should read the rest of the post where I suggest you take FL points under consideration and hide under a rock for a few weeks then come back stronger than ever.
can you unstar that??
to hide under a rock would be to betray the trust of my investors. and i enjoy posting here. these zerglings havent got their attack speed upgrade yet.
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Daeva Vios
Ares Arms and Modules LLC
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:58:00 -
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Really not helping your case any by continuing to insult folks.
It doesn't matter if they're new or not. What's happening is that you've been pulled into a contest you can only win one way. You have a couple folks willing to help you despite your being rude to them, but you are ignoring advice. It's not exactly the wisest course of action, at this point.
Have fun devolving.
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Jaeger Orlofsson
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.01.14 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jaeger Orlofsson Isk sent, could you pls confirm the rate?
I'm sorry Kyrial, I'm not trying to torpedo you or claim you are a scam, but after all these drama bombs I've run out of hope for your operation. Please return my isk. I am happy to report back to this thread to confirm you have (not that that will prove any support but at least will prove you've honoured a payback request).
As it goes, if you cant/wont do so then it at least draws a line under this.
Good luck if you do get things back up again.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.14 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jaeger Orlofsson
Originally by: Jaeger Orlofsson Isk sent, could you pls confirm the rate?
I'm sorry Kyrial, I'm not trying to torpedo you or claim you are a scam, but after all these drama bombs I've run out of hope for your operation. Please return my isk. I am happy to report back to this thread to confirm you have (not that that will prove any support but at least will prove you've honoured a payback request).
As it goes, if you cant/wont do so then it at least draws a line under this.
Good luck if you do get things back up again.
now you make me a sad panda
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Brisco Smiley
Peppermint Bay Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.01.14 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas bedroom bankers
^ Where can I learn more about those?
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.01.14 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Brisco Smiley
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas bedroom bankers
^ Where can I learn more about those?
Wanna come over?
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Midas Man
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Posted - 2008.01.14 16:44:00 -
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Be very very careful with this guy.
He is trying to invest 500mil in another bond run by Benvie enterprise.
Why is this a consern... well any 2 month old player with 500 mill is a) A good trader as he likes to state in which case why would he need your money? b) An alt of a richer character of which he has denied in an earlier post c) leaving the most likely senario HE'S A SCAMMER BEWARE
just my opinion
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2008.01.14 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas can you unstar that??.
When you quote the post the language filter is turned off. Do that to see what it says, bypassing the language filter is against forum rules
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.14 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe Edited by: Ricdic''s Hoe on 14/01/2008 16:47:11
Originally by: Midas Man Be very very careful with this guy.
He is trying to invest 500mil in another bond run by Benvie enterprise.
No he isn't. He was trolling Benvie's thread. His shepherd remark was a dig to say that people would invest once I did basically. He has no plans to invest in the Benvie operation not with his or public isk, as neither will reach the 500m mark for a long time to come.
Thanks for the warning tho
edit: typo
you are wrong with your assumption. i do intend to invest with MY money that i have made thank to certain people who actually trusted AND believed in me.
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Midas Man
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Posted - 2008.01.14 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe Edited by: Ricdic''s Hoe on 14/01/2008 16:47:11
Originally by: Midas Man Be very very careful with this guy.
He is trying to invest 500mil in another bond run by Benvie enterprise.
No he isn't. He was trolling Benvie's thread. His shepherd remark was a dig to say that people would invest once I did basically. He has no plans to invest in the Benvie operation not with his or public isk, as neither will reach the 500m mark for a long time to come.
Thanks for the warning tho
edit: typo
you are wrong with your assumption. i do intend to invest with MY money that i have made thank to certain people who actually trusted AND believed in me.
And now those people are sad and low on Isk
oh yeah please see benvies thread and reread my post. Im sure i mention who my main is. you obviously are a troll as you cannot even read.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.14 16:58:00 -
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you didnt say what your main was.
and if all you are going to do is say i am a scammer then remove your disgracing face from my thread please.
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Midas Man
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Posted - 2008.01.14 17:02:00 -
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Watch out he's a scammer
and know i'm not JUST calling you a scammer so i'm ok to post see below
I did my main is Bob Killan, but i will say it was added as an edit so maybe you saw it before i included that edit.
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Midas Man
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Posted - 2008.01.14 17:09:00 -
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Wait ignore post above you actually "Quoted" my post which include the name of my main. Please learn to read maybe then you might gain a bit more trust in the community
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